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100 point losses since 2000.

BULLDOGS
1. West Coast by 123 - 2011
2. Geelong by 101 - 2010

EAGLES
1. Geelong by 135 - 2008
2. Carlton by 119 - 2001
3. Port by 112 - 2001
4. St Kilda by 101 - 2004
5. Collingwood by 100 - 2008

SWANS
N/A

SAINTS
1. Hawthorn by 145 - 2014
2. Geelong by 122 - 2002
3. West Coast by 103 - 2016
4. Geelong by 101 - 2013

TIGERS
1. Geelong by 157 - 2007
2. Sydney by 118 - 2006
3. Bulldogs by 115 - 2006
4. Sydney by 113 - 2016
5. Geelong by 108 - 2010
6. Carlton by 103 - 2011
7. St Kilda by 103 - 2006
8. Essendon by 101 - 2000

POWER
1. Hawthorn by 165 - 2011
2. Collingwood by 138 - 2011
3. Geelong by 119 - 2007
4. West Coast by 117 - 2005

KANGAROOS
1. Essendon by 125 - 2000
2. Collingwood by 117 - 2011
3. Hawthorn by 115 - 2012
4. Brisbane by 113 - 2004
5. Sydney by 107 - 2001
6. Geelong by 106 - 2007
7. St Kilda by 104 - 2010

DEMONS
1. Geelong by 186 - 2011
2. Essendon by 148 - 2013
3. North by 122 - 2013
4. Geelong by 116 - 2008
5. Geelong by 111 - 2016
6. West Coast by 108 - 2012
7. Hawthorn by 105 - 2015
8. Hawthorn by 104 - 2008
9. Sydney by 101 - 2012

HAWKS
1. Port Adelaide by 117 - 2005
2. Brisbane by 102 - 2002

GIANTS
1. Hawthorn by 162 - 2012
2. Adelaide by 135 - 2013
3. North by 129 - 2012
3. Sydney by 129 - 2013
5. St Kilda by 128 - 2012
6. Richmond by 121 - 2013
7. Collingwood by 120 - 2012
8. Adelaide by 119 - 2012
9. Fremantle by 113 - 2013
9. Richmond by 113 - 2014
11. West Coast by 111 - 2014
12. West Coast by 100 - 2013

SUNS
1. Geelong by 150 - 2011
2. Essendon by 139 - 2011
3. West Coast by 126 - 2012
4. Geelong by 120 - 2016
5. Carlton by 119 - 2011
6. Port by 115 - 2017
7. GWS by 108 - 2018
8. GWS by 102 - 2017
8. Geelong by 102 - 2018

CATS
1. Swans by 110 - 2014
2. Collingwood by 102 - 2006

DOCKERS
1. Geelong by 133 - 2018
2. West Coast by 117 - 2000
2. Adelaide by 117 - 2009
4. Hawthorn by 116 - 2010
5. Brisbane by 107 - 2000
6. Richmond by 104 - 2017
6. Sydney by 104 - 2017
8. Adelaide by 100 - 2017

BOMBERS
1. Adelaide by 138 - 2006
2. Adelaide by 112 - 2015
3. St Kilda by 110 - 2015
4. Hawthorn by 108 - 2016
4. St Kilda by 108 - 2008
6. Bulldogs by 104 - 2019

MAGPIES
1. Fremantle by 112 - 2005
2. Carlton by 111 - 2000
3. Adelaide by 110 - 2005

BLUES
1. Hawthorn by 138 - 2015
2. North by 124 - 2003
3. Brisbane by 117 - 2007
4. West Coast by 116 - 2003
5. Melbourne by 109 - 2018
6. St Kilda by 108 - 2004
6. Collingwood by 108 - 2002
8. Melbourne by 105 - 2004
8. GWS by 105 - 2018
10. Adelaide by 104 - 2018
11. Port by 103 - 2014
12. Hawthorn by 100 - 2007

LIONS
1. St Kilda by 139 - 2005
2. Adelaide by 138 - 2016
3. Port by 113 - 2014
4. Adelaide by 105 - 2014

CROWS
1. Brisbane by 141 - 2004
2. West Coast by 114 - 2000
3. St Kilda by 103 - 2011
 
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Complete random observation at the freak John Coleman was in his time.
In 1950 season, the whole Hawthorn side for full season kicked 136 goals.
The star full forward of the league that season of John Coleman kicked 120 goals himself.

So just made me randomly have a look at his general playing stats.
One thing I notice is on debut he kicked 12 goals.
In his second last ever game he kicked 14 goals.
He just must have been an absolute freak talent beyond what many of us can imagine.

Many of the stats on this board have an age bent to them, so in keeping....

Coleman played between the ages of 20y144d & 25y194 days and averaged 5.48 goals per game

During the same age bracket Lockett averaged 5.88 goals per game.

Lockett averaged 3.27 prior to that age, and 5.02 post that age.
 

Ron The Bear

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I have no idea how common this one is but I noticed today that St Kilda have only 1 club best and fairest winner on the list.

(& he will be dropped this week)

Paddy Ryder and Brad Hill have won one each elsewhere.

Bit of a raggedy question due to inconsistencies in the presentation of the award at some clubs in the early years.

Last time it happened at St.Kilda was 1973 (Stuart Trott). Before that, 1958-59 (Neil Roberts). Then back to 1918 & 1915 (Wels Eicke), after the award was first presented in 1914.

Technically, no senior Hawthorn player had a b&f in 2019 (with Tom Mitchell out injured). Excluding expansion club debuts, the last time this happened was 1995 Fitzroy. Before that, 1983 Footscray and 1969 South Melbourne. Amazingly, Melbourne had none when shooting for a hat-trick of flags in 1957.

Other recent clubs with one (home-grown) winner are 2018 Hawthorn, 2017 Collingwood, 2015 Brisbane & Bulldogs, 2014 Gold Coast & Melbourne.
 

Ron The Bear

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Many of the stats on this board have an age bent to them, so in keeping....

Coleman played between the ages of 20y144d & 25y194 days and averaged 5.48 goals per game

During the same age bracket Lockett averaged 5.88 goals per game.

Lockett averaged 3.27 prior to that age, and 5.02 post that age.

Top 20 for same age span as Coleman's career.

AvgPlayerGlsGms
5.94Hudson, Peter58899
5.88Lockett, Tony44175
5.48Coleman, John53798
5.21Pratt, Bob43884
5.17McKenna, Peter48694
5.05Todd, Ron30360
4.69Ditchburn, Ross6113
4.41Jakovich, Allen15034
4.40Modra, Tony22050
4.38Dunstall, Jason477109
4.30Mohr, Bill34881
4.25MacMillan, Jack174
4.16Lloyd, Matthew441106
4.10Murray, Sel33682
4.06Lynch, Dave6516
4.04Templeton, Kelvin33583
3.95Taylor, Brian32081
3.93Rait, Alan5915
3.88Sumich, Peter38499
3.88Moloney, George M.28373
3.83Margitich, George25366
 

emuboy

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Some teams after losing a Grand Final bounce back and win it the next year. I thought this would be the case with the Adelaide Crows and that after their poor performance in the 2017 GF that they would rebound and win it in 2018. However, Adelaide have gone the other way and joined those teams that have fallen away very quickly after a GF loss. They haven't finished last yet obviously and 2020 is a debacle of a season, but if the Crows do finish last this year it will be one of the fastest declines of a runner up to wooden spoon.

Two teams have done it in two years. One was South Melbourne in the late 1930s. After winning the 1933 premiership by trouncing Richmond, the Swans lost in 1934 to the Tigers and to Collingwood in 1935 and 1936, then South slumped to 9th in 1937, before falling to last in 1938. They added a second successive wooden spoon in 1939. Hawthorn were runner up to Geelong in 1963 but after a narrow miss in 1964 and finishing 5th, the Hawks went all the way down the ladder to 12th and last in 1965.

If Adelaide do finish last this year, they will emulate the performances of St Kilda and Carlton from the late 1990s and early 2000s, both the Saints and Blues finishing with wooden spoons three years after being runner up. St Kilda were minor premiers in 1997 but after a hiding from Adelaide in the Grand Final, a late season fade out in 1998 that saw them crash out of the finals in straight sets and a massive regular season fade out in 1999, the Saints finished dead last in 2000 by an embarrassing 5 games. Carlton unexpectedly made the 1999 Grand Final against North Melbourne and lost to the Kangaroos. The Blues made the finals again in 2000 and 2001, but slipped to 16th in 2002 and took home their first wooden spoon.

A dishonorable mention to Geelong, which after being beaten by Collingwood in the 1953 Grand Final found themselves in last place just four years later in 1957, the Cats quickly adding the 1958 wooden spoon to their trophy cabinet the next year. Perhaps the Cats were distracted by all that new-fangled rock and roll music to concentrate properly on football in that era?
 
He may well be.
Most of my own generation consider Lockett or Gary Ablett the biggest star forwards we seen in our time of watching but everything I heard about Coleman suggests he was probably as big as star as them and probably more. Imagine he must have been awesome to watch in action.
In terms of his performance above their peers, statistically Coleman is at the peak with Hudson a close second - then daylight.
 
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Crows are 2 games clear bottom of ladder after only six rounds.
This must just about be a record of how quickly you get that clear as bottom team.
Bloody hard to get 2 games clear bottom after only six rounds.
Will have to browse during week to find out if it been done before.
 

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How many posters have there been this round? There seems more than usual.

What's the record amount of posters in one round (to clarify, scores from hitting the post)?

Not sure if there is anywhere or anyone currently keeping poster stats. These are a few poster stats as printed in Graeme Atkinson's 1981 book "Everything You Always Wanted to Know about Australian Rules Football but Couldn't Be Bothered Asking"

MOST POSTERS IN A MATCH (teams)
11
Footscray (6) Carlton (5) Round 5, 1936
10 Richmond (7) Fitzroy (3) Round 13, 1924
10 Collingwood (4) Melbourne (6) Round 16, 1937


MOST POSTERS IN A MATCH (individuals)
4
Alby Pannam (Collingwood) vs Geelong, Round 11, 1936
4 Bob Rahilly (Fitzroy) vs St. Kilda, Round 4, 1911
3 Jim Freake (Fitzroy) vs Melbourne, Round 13, 1913
3 Jimmy Matthews (St. Kilda) vs Collingwood, 1907
3 Teddy Lockwood (Collingwood) vs Fitzroy, 2nd semi, 1904
3 Horrie Clover (Carlton) vs Richmond, Round 2, 1920


There were 109 posters in VFL competition in 1932
 
Why are they hitting the post so often in Queensland?

It was a record-breaking weekend for shots hitting the woodwork at the Gabba and Metricon Stadium
By Riley Beveridge - 1 hr ago

ARE THE goalposts thicker in Queensland?

Of course not, but if you thought you noticed more shots for goal cannoning off the post in the neutral venue games at the Gabba and Metricon Stadium last weekend, you were right.

Champion Data notes that round six's action featured 28 shots that hit the post.

Sounds high, right? Well, in fact, it's the highest in a single weekend since 2016.

What makes it more remarkable is the fact that it came in reduced game time. If you normalise the numbers (multiplying the figures by 1.25 to ensure the shorter games match previous seasons), then it's actually a record-breaking weekend for shots that hit the post.

The adjusted number of 35 would have broken the longstanding Champion Data record of 34 posters in a single weekend – recorded in both round six, 2007, and round six, 2014.

The spooky stats don't end there, though.

Six of the nine games played across last weekend took place in Queensland, with four played at Metricon Stadium and a further two held at the Gabba.

Go back to when Champion Data first started recording shots that hit the post in 2002, and no state has recorded more than … you guessed it, Queensland.

The 2.52 posters per match recorded in Queensland is just ahead of the 2.35 per match recorded in New South Wales – where the remaining three matches in round six were held.

Victoria (2.31), South Australia (2.26) and Western Australia (2.25) are next in the queue.

Maybe it's just a coincidence. Maybe it's the extra humidity in the warm Queensland air.

You decide.
 
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Most picks by club per National Draft. (Excluding elevated rookies and redrafted players.)

2019: 5. (Adelaide, Gold Coast and Richmond.)
2018: 6. (Geelong and GWS.)
2017: 8. (Fremantle.)
2016: 6. (Brisbane, Carlton, Geelong and GWS.)
2015: 7. (Essendon.)
2014: 6. (Brisbane, Footscray and GWS.)
2013: 7. (Brisbane.)
2012: 6. (Essendon, GWS and North Melbourne.)
2011: 14. (GWS.)
2010: 10. (Gold Coast.)
2009: 7. (Richmond.)
2008: 8. (Fremantle.)
2007: 7. (Adelaide.)
2006: 7. (Port Adelaide.)
2005: 6. (Hawthorn.)
2004: 8. (Richmond.)
2003: 9. (Richmond.)
2002: 6. (Footscray, Melbourne and North Melbourne.)
2001: 7. (Geelong.)
2000: 7. (North Melbourne.)
1999: 8. (Collingwood.)
1998: 8. (Adelaide.)
1997: 7. (Hawthorn and West Coast.)
1996: 9. (Melbourne.)
1995: 8. (Geelong.)
1994: 7. (Fitzroy and Sydney.)
1993: 10. (Sydney.)
1992: 11. (West Coast.)
1991: 8. (Melbourne.)
1990: 9. (North Melbourne.)
1989: 14. (Essendon.)
1988: 10. (Essendon, Hawthorn and West Coast.)
1987: 5. 13 way tie between clubs bar West Coast.
1986: 5. 13 way tie between clubs bar West Coast.
1982: 2. 12 way tie.
1981: 2. 12 way tie.
 

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Complete random observation at the freak John Coleman was in his time.
In 1950 season, the whole Hawthorn side for full season kicked 136 goals.
The star full forward of the league that season of John Coleman kicked 120 goals himself.

So just made me randomly have a look at his general playing stats.
One thing I notice is on debut he kicked 12 goals.
In his second last ever game he kicked 14 goals.
He just must have been an absolute freak talent beyond what many of us can imagine.

Rather a tragedy that both his footy career and his life were taken prematurely. He's almost the JFK of footy in that regard, so much more to give in every aspect. His knee injury as a young man just before TV came into being, and passed away in 1973 aged about 44 or so. Contemporary of the vintage of Whitten, Barassi etc. Did he ever do any footy media in the period after he finished coaching? I was only 5 in 1973, i have no memory of his exploits.
 
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Rather a tragedy that both his footy career and his life were taken prematurely. He's almost the JFK of footy in that regard, so much more to give in every aspect. His knee injury as a young man just before TV came into being, and passed away in 1973 aged about 44 or so. Contemporary of the vintage of Whitten, Barassi etc. Did he ever do any footy media in the period after he finished coaching? I was only 5 in 1973, i have no memory of his exploits.
Never seen him or heard of him directly. Only heard about him and it all sounds ******* amazing how good he must have been.
 

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Some teams after losing a Grand Final bounce back and win it the next year. I thought this would be the case with the Adelaide Crows and that after their poor performance in the 2017 GF that they would rebound and win it in 2018. However, Adelaide have gone the other way and joined those teams that have fallen away very quickly after a GF loss. They haven't finished last yet obviously and 2020 is a debacle of a season, but if the Crows do finish last this year it will be one of the fastest declines of a runner up to wooden spoon.

Two teams have done it in two years. One was South Melbourne in the late 1930s. After winning the 1933 premiership by trouncing Richmond, the Swans lost in 1934 to the Tigers and to Collingwood in 1935 and 1936, then South slumped to 9th in 1937, before falling to last in 1938. They added a second successive wooden spoon in 1939. Hawthorn were runner up to Geelong in 1963 but after a narrow miss in 1964 and finishing 5th, the Hawks went all the way down the ladder to 12th and last in 1965.

If Adelaide do finish last this year, they will emulate the performances of St Kilda and Carlton from the late 1990s and early 2000s, both the Saints and Blues finishing with wooden spoons three years after being runner up. St Kilda were minor premiers in 1997 but after a hiding from Adelaide in the Grand Final, a late season fade out in 1998 that saw them crash out of the finals in straight sets and a massive regular season fade out in 1999, the Saints finished dead last in 2000 by an embarrassing 5 games. Carlton unexpectedly made the 1999 Grand Final against North Melbourne and lost to the Kangaroos. The Blues made the finals again in 2000 and 2001, but slipped to 16th in 2002 and took home their first wooden spoon.

A dishonorable mention to Geelong, which after being beaten by Collingwood in the 1953 Grand Final found themselves in last place just four years later in 1957, the Cats quickly adding the 1958 wooden spoon to their trophy cabinet the next year. Perhaps the Cats were distracted by all that new-fangled rock and roll music to concentrate properly on football in that era?
South Melbourne in 1936 and Hawthorn in 1963 also finished as minor premiers, so from top of the ladder to bottom in 2 seasons.

Adelaide Crows finished as minor premiers in 2017, so a wooden spoon this year would see them going from top to bottom in 3 years, joining St. Kilda from 1997 to 2000 and Geelong from 1954 (they failed to make the Grand Final) to 1957. Also, Fitzroy went from top in 1913 to bottom in 1916 (although it was only a 4-team competition due to World War I and Fitzroy went on to also win the premiership!).
 

emuboy

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South Melbourne in 1936 and Hawthorn in 1963 also finished as minor premiers, so from top of the ladder to bottom in 2 seasons.

Adelaide Crows finished as minor premiers in 2017, so a wooden spoon this year would see them going from top to bottom in 3 years, joining St. Kilda from 1997 to 2000 and Geelong from 1954 (they failed to make the Grand Final) to 1957. Also, Fitzroy went from top in 1913 to bottom in 1916 (although it was only a 4-team competition due to World War I and Fitzroy went on to also win the premiership!).

Some WAFL teams would have given their supporters whiplash in the early 1970s.

South Fremantle rose from last in 1969 to premiers in 1970, but were back to last by 1972. Claremont headed the ladder in 1972 and lost narrowly in the Grand Final to East Perth, but slumped to last in 1973. Perth were second last in 1973 but improved to runners up in 1974. West Perth were second on the ladder and lost the 1973 Grand Final to Subiaco, fell to last in 1974, then soared up the table the next season to finish minor premiers and crush South Fremantle by 104 points in the 1975 Grand Final.
 
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