Stats questions

[RogersResults]

Roger do you have the best W-L results from 125 consecutive games?

Not to hand.

I know what you are thinking - it looks good for the Cats.

Collingwood R9 1925 - R11 1931 102 wins - 22 loses 1 draw 141.43%

The above is Collingwood's best and most likely the previous overall best.
2007-2011 Cats have 3 more wins and a percentage of 148.95%

I'll think about doing a complete best/worst 125 for all teams.

 

[SJ]

Thanks. Most likely I assume it'll just be a look either side of a team's current 100-game record.

 

[Ron The Bear]

At the risk of stepping on Rogers' toes...

Win % Cb Year Rd-Year Rd  M   W   L D Va
----------------------------------------
84.00 Ge 2007  1-2011 GF 125 105 20 0  1
83.20 Ge 2006 22-2011 PF 125 104 21 0  1
82.80 Ge 2006 11-2011 QF 125 103 21 1  4
82.00 Co 1924 18-1931 11 125 102 22 1  8
82.00 Ge 2006 10-2011 23 125 102 22 1  7
81.60 Me 1954 13-1960 15 125 101 22 2  1
81.20 Co 1924 12-1931 14 125 101 23 1  8
81.20 Ge 2006  9-2011 16 125 101 23 1  2
80.80 Me 1954 11-1960 16 125 100 23 2  3
80.40 Co 1924 11-1932 15 125 100 24 1 19
80.40 Ha 1985  6-1990  5 125 100 24 1  1
80.40 Ge 2006  7-2011 11 125 100 24 1  2
80.00 Ca 1905 10-1911 18 125  99 24 2  3
80.00 Me 1954 10-1961  1 125  99 24 2  6

'Va' = variations, i.e. the number of overlapping sequences which produced an identical record. I've classed a draw = 0.5 wins.

 

[SJ]

Something not quite right there if your rounds are inclusive - Geelong has played 25 games in each of the past 5 seasons so Round 1 2007 to Grand Final 2011 would be 125 games.

 

[RogersResults]

Thanks. Most likely I assume it'll just be a look either side of a team's current 100-game record.

Most likely it will be either side of each best 100 but not necessarily - there are lots and lots of overlaps in each and there could be sequences in a different era that could pip them. You've got me curious now.

I have a way of finding them all in one go but I'm not 100% satisfied that it is completely correct - each team on its own takes about 5 mins each to find the exact start and end matches.

Stay tuned.

 

[RogersResults]

At the risk of stepping on Rogers' toes...

Win % Cb Year Rd-Year Rd  M   W   L D Va
----------------------------------------
84.00 Ge 2006 22-2011 GF 125 105 20 0  1
83.20 Ge 2006 21-2011 PF 125 104 21 0  1
82.80 Ge 2006 10-2011 QF 125 103 21 1  4
82.00 Co 1924 17-1931 11 125 102 22 1  8
82.00 Ge 2006  9-2011 23 125 102 22 1  7
81.60 Me 1954 12-1960 15 125 101 22 2  1
81.20 Co 1924 11-1931 14 125 101 23 1  8
81.20 Ge 2006  8-2011 16 125 101 23 1  2
80.80 Me 1954 10-1960 16 125 100 23 2  3
80.40 Co 1924 10-1932 15 125 100 24 1 19
80.40 Ha 1985  5-1990  5 125 100 24 1  1
80.40 Ge 2006  6-2011 11 125 100 24 1  2
80.00 Ca 1905  9-1911 18 125  99 24 2  3
80.00 Me 1954  9-1961  1 125  99 24 2  6

'Va' = variations, i.e. the number of overlapping sequences which produced an identical record. I've classed a draw = 0.5 wins.

Now you've done it.

82.00 Co 1924 17-1931 11 125 102 22 1 8

is one of 8 starting in 1924-5 but it ranks 6th in for and against percentage. (Viewers should also note that the sequence starts the round after round 17 1924.)

Now that SJ has Geelong confirmed as "the greatest team of all" yet again, does anybody care what Fremantle's or Footscray's best result from 125 consecutive matches is?

 

[Ron The Bear]

Something not quite right there if your rounds are inclusive - Geelong has played 25 games in each of the past 5 seasons so Round 1 2007 to Grand Final 2011 would be 125 games.

Thanks. I knew there was a hidden gotcha with this type of calculation but couldn't remember what it was.

All games in my db are numbered cumulatively, e.g.

2006 22 Ge 2139 1105 1013 21
2007  1 Ge 2140 1105 1014 21
...
2011 GF Ge 2264 1210 1033 21

Joining this table to itself on the club, and specifying the match number on the second table to be equal to the first table's match number + 125, produces a cumulative W-L-D figure at each end of the sequence. Subtracting one from the other gives the record over 125 games, but the first game listed (2006 R22) will be one game short of where the sequence actually starts, if that makes sense.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Now you've done it.

82.00 Co 1924 17-1931 11 125 102 22 1 8

is one of 8 starting in 1924-5 but it ranks 6th in for and against percentage. (Viewers should also note that the sequence starts the round after round 17 1924.)

Yep, your method of using percentage to define the best single streak among overlapping ones makes sense. Got some work to do now...

 

[RogersResults]

Thanks. I knew there was a hidden gotcha with this type of calculation but couldn't remember what it was.

All games in my db are numbered cumulatively, e.g.

2006 22 Ge 2139 1105 1013 21
2007  1 Ge 2140 1105 1014 21
...
2011 GF Ge 2264 1210 1033 21

Joining this table to itself on the club, and specifying the match number on the second table to be equal to the first table's match number + 125, produces a cumulative W-L-D figure at each end of the sequence. Subtracting one from the other gives the record over 125 games, but the first game listed (2006 R22) will be one game short of where the sequence actually starts, if that makes sense.

I couldn't begin to explain that simply how I work them out, but the trap of the match number is a good one to point out as I had been considering doing something similiar with assigning match numbers.

 

[worbod]

I was curious as to how many times each club has scored 100 or more and been the losing team. Also, how to create a worthy comparable percentage for this stat, by which I mean, perhaps look at how many games each club has played in which both teams scored 100 or more, and then calculate the percentage of times each club has lost when this has occurred. Hope that makes sense. The other factor would be that there are a number of games in which both teams scored 100 or more and the game was drawn.

 

[worbod]

This may be a bit harder to compile. What are the most career games played without ever having played in the reserves? I have read that Ted Whitten (321 games) never played a reserves game, and neither did Bob Davis (189 games). So I was curious as to whether anyone could exceed Whitten's senior games total without a reserves appearance. I don't think it would be right to include modern players who have played in the era in which there has been no reserves competition. Playing for a VFL team still counts as a senior game.

Other factors would be recruited players, such as Stephen Kernahan, who was already an established SANFL player. I am quite sure he never played for Carlton reserves. Also, I don't think players for interstate teams such as Adelaide, Brisbane or West Coast should be included, who usually go back to the SANFL, QAFL or WAFL if they are lacking match form. Additionally, players with large games tallies who played prior to the reserves formation in 1919 should not be included either.

 

[RogersResults]

I was curious as to how many times each club has scored 100 or more and been the losing team. Also, how to create a worthy comparable percentage for this stat, by which I mean, perhaps look at how many games each club has played in which both teams scored 100 or more, and then calculate the percentage of times each club has lost when this has occurred. Hope that makes sense. The other factor would be that there are a number of games in which both teams scored 100 or more and the game was drawn.

Quick temporary table here

Improved version now up

 

[Ron The Bear]

What are the most career games played without ever having played in the reserves?

Not sure where you would find that information. Can only contribute that Kevin Bartlett played 9 games in the 2's.

Here are the senior games missed between debut and last game for players down to Whitten. How many for each were due to injury, suspension, state duty or playing Reserves, I have no idea.

Player              Gms Mis
---------------------------
Tuck, Michael       426  49
Bartlett, Kevin     403  24
Harvey, Robert      383  76
Madden, Simon       378  46
Bradley, Craig      375  21
Quinlan, Bernie     366  29
Johnson, Brad       364  16
Blakey, John        359  42
Doull, Bruce        356  69
Roos, Paul          356  25
Hawkins, Doug       350  51
Fletcher, Dustin    347  94
Grant, Chris        341  68
McLeod, Andrew      340  24
Rantall, John       336  33
Cloke, David        333  80
Murray, Kevin       333  51
Matthews, Leigh     332  54
Madden, Justin      332  52
Dempsey, Gary       329  55
Nicholls, John      328  38
Round, Barry        328  46
Nankervis, Ian J.   325  49
Akermanis, Jason    325  41
Salmon, Paul        324 145
West, Scott         324  22
Burke, Nathan       323  48
Harvey, Brent       323  29
Edwards, Tyson      321  33
Loewe, Stewart      321  51
Whitten senior, Ted 321  41

Those from the list who debuted in Round 1 (like Whitten) and thus may not have played Reserves beforehand are Bradley, Hawkins, Grant, Rantall, Dempsey, Round, Nicholls, West, Salmon.

 

[35Daicos]

I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere, so in case it hasn't been noticed the AFL Historical Statistics site has (finally) been updated.
(http://stats.afl.com.au/public/home.shtml)
Great to see!

 

[Catsace]

A question for Ron the Bear, prompted by reading that thread in bay 13 by a Melbourne mod about your Tigers.

In games featuring a debut coach in the case of one having been replaced mid-season, where does Melbourne's 76 point loss (134 to 58) defeat to the Blues rank by performances after such a sacking? Often the perception is that the players rise to the occasion for a new coach, would that defeat be one of the biggest debut losses for a new caretaker coach?

 

[Ron The Bear]

A question for Ron the Bear, prompted by reading that thread in bay 13 by a Melbourne mod about your Tigers.

In games featuring a debut coach in the case of one having been replaced mid-season, where does Melbourne's 76 point loss (134 to 58) defeat to the Blues rank by performances after such a sacking? Often the perception is that the players rise to the occasion for a new coach, would that defeat be one of the biggest debut losses for a new caretaker coach?

Biff's a moderator now? Good God.

Biggest losses:

Mn Coach              Cb Year Rd Op Replaced
------------------------------------------------------
93 Scott, Brett       Sy 1993  5 Fi Buckenara, Gary
76 Viney, Todd        Me 2011 20 Ca Bailey, Dean
68 McConnell, Alan    Fi 1996 15 WC Nunan, Michael
67 Pemberton, Jack    NM 1931 11 Ge Clark, Norman
52 Hampshire, Ian     WB 1982 11 Fi Hart, Royce
51 Noonan, Paddy      NM 1929  6 Co Tyson, Charlie
46 Caldwell, Jim      Ca 1925  3 Me O'Brien, Paddy
46 Adamson, Jim       NM 1940 13 Fi Thomas, Len
44 McDonald, Donald   Ha 2004 18 Me Schwab, Peter
41 McConnell, Alan    Fi 1995 20 Ge Quinlan, Bernie

Biggest wins:

Mn Coach              Cb Year Rd Op Replaced
---------------------------------------------------------
77 Roos, Paul         Sy 2002 13 Fr Eade, Rodney
72 Craig, Neil        Ad 2004 14 Me Ayres, Gary
60 Williams, Paul     WB 2011 22 PA Eade, Rodney
51 Elliott, Fred      Ca 1909 14 Me Worrall, John
45 Matthews, Leigh    Co 1986  4 Ge Rose, Bob
43 Kelly, Joe         WB 1937  5 NM Coventry senior, Syd
41 Rohde, Peter       WB 2002 22 Co Wallace, Terry
37 Barker senior, Syd Es 1922 14 Ri Gravenall, Sam
36 Erwin, Mick        Co 1982 11 St Hafey, Tom
35 Everett, Allan     Ge 1940  8 NM Laver, Les

Not sure about the significance of Rocket Eade featuring prominently at the top of the table, twice...

 

[Catsace]

Thanks for that. Sydney in 1993 were abominable, winning just one game and enduring a 26 game losing streak so they are in a different boat to an ostensibly young up-and-coming side the Dees of 2011 are meant to be.

I'm guessing with Eade's departures, maybe all those rants and hot-headed actions you see in the coaches box must be nice to escape from....although a quick glance at who the opponents were in those years, Freo in 2002 after their 2-20 2001 season, and Port this year would not be among the pantheon of quality sides. Eade might be cheesed off big time he was sacked just before a chance to turn things around!

So excepting the atrocious Sydney of 1993, the Dees's effort against the Blues with the new coach is the worst performance for any replacement coach? Nice to know that!

 

[RogersResults]

Biff's a moderator now? Good God.

Biggest losses:

Mn Coach              Cb Year Rd Op Replaced
------------------------------------------------------
93 Scott, Brett       Sy 1993  5 Fi Buckenara, Gary
76 Viney, Todd        Me 2011 20 Ca Bailey, Dean
67 Pemberton, Jack    NM 1931 11 Ge Clark, Norman
52 Hampshire, Ian     WB 1982 11 Fi Hart, Royce
51 Noonan, Paddy      NM 1929  6 Co Tyson, Charlie
46 Caldwell, Jim      Ca 1925  3 Me O'Brien, Paddy
46 Adamson, Jim       NM 1940 13 Fi Thomas, Len
44 McDonald, Donald   Ha 2004 18 Me Schwab, Peter
41 McConnell, Alan    Fi 1995 20 Ge Quinlan, Bernie
41 Campbell, Graham   Fi 1974 20 Ca Donaldson, Graham

Biggest wins:

Mn Coach              Cb Year Rd Op Replaced
---------------------------------------------------------
77 Roos, Paul         Sy 2002 13 Fr Eade, Rodney
72 Craig, Neil        Ad 2004 14 Me Ayres, Gary
60 Williams, Paul     WB 2011 22 PA Eade, Rodney
51 Elliott, Fred      Ca 1909 14 Me Worrall, John
45 Matthews, Leigh    Co 1986  4 Ge Rose, Bob
43 Kelly, Joe         WB 1937  5 NM Coventry senior, Syd
41 Rohde, Peter       WB 2002 22 Co Wallace, Terry
37 Barker senior, Syd Es 1922 14 Ri Gravenall, Sam
36 Erwin, Mick        Co 1982 11 St Hafey, Tom
35 Everett, Allan     Ge 1940  8 NM Laver, Les

Not sure about the significance of Rocket Eade featuring prominently at the top of the table, twice...

A minor note: When Reg Hickey retired as Captain and then resigned as coach of Geelong in 1940, the reserves coach, Les Laver stood in temporarily until a new coach was appointed, so technically Everett replaced Hickey not Laver. (Laver was not interested in the senior job.)

Besides that, this was the last time that Geelong had a change of coach mid-season (71 years ago). If you can - what are the current time spans for the other clubs without a change of coach during the season?

 

[Ron The Bear]

A minor note: When Reg Hickey retired as Captain and then resigned as coach of Geelong in 1940, the reserves coach, Les Laver stood in temporarily until a new coach was appointed, so technically Everett replaced Hickey not Laver. (Laver was not interested in the senior job.)

Besides that, this was the last time that Geelong had a change of coach mid-season (71 years ago). If you can - what are the current time spans for the other clubs without a change of coach during the season?

I had Laver flagged as 'interim coach' and Everett as 'caretaker following interim coach', but decided not to split hairs. I perhaps should've included Barassi (44-point loss in first game as Sydney coach) who followed Brett Scott, but he isn't flagged as a "caretaker" in my database. Neither is Graham Campbell, so I've removed him from the list for the sake of consistency.

NB have added Alan McConnell 1996 to the list (he now appears twice); initial query was a bit lazy and restricted to first-game coaches.

Last mid-year coaching switch for each club:

Club             Year Rd Coaches
-----------------------------------------------------
Adelaide         2011 19 Mark Bickley/Neil Craig
Brisbane         1998 12 Roger Merrett/John Northey
Carlton          2007 17 Brett Ratten/Denis Pagan
Collingwood      1986  4 Leigh Matthews/Bob Rose
Essendon         1939  7 Dick Reynolds/Jack Baggott
Fremantle        2007 16 Mark Harvey/Chris Connolly
Geelong          1940  9 Allan Everett/Les Laver
Gold Coast       ----
Hawthorn         2004 18 Donald McDonald/Peter Schwab
Melbourne        2011 20 Todd Viney/Dean Bailey
North Melbourne  2009 13 Darren Crocker/Dean Laidley
Port Adelaide    2010 16 Matthew Primus/Mark Williams
Richmond         2009 12 Jade Rawlings/Terry Wallace
St.Kilda         2001 16 Grant Thomas/Malcolm Blight
Sydney           2002 13 Paul Roos/Rodney Eade
West Coast       ----
Western Bulldogs 2011 22 Paul Williams/Rodney Eade
...
Fitzroy          1996 15  Alan McConnell/Michael Nunan
University       ----

 

[RogersResults]

Last mid-year coaching switch for each club:

Club             Year Rd Coaches
-----------------------------------------------------
Adelaide         2011 19 Mark Bickley/Neil Craig
Brisbane         1998 12 Roger Merrett/John Northey
Carlton          2007 17 Brett Ratten/Denis Pagan
Collingwood      1986  4 Leigh Matthews/Bob Rose
Essendon         1939  7 Dick Reynolds/Jack Baggott
Fremantle        2007 16 Mark Harvey/Chris Connolly
Geelong          1940  9 Allan Everett/Les Laver
Gold Coast       ----
Hawthorn         2004 18 Donald McDonald/Peter Schwab
Melbourne        2011 20 Todd Viney/Dean Bailey
North Melbourne  2009 13 Darren Crocker/Dean Laidley
Port Adelaide    2010 16 Matthew Primus/Mark Williams
Richmond         2009 12 Jade Rawlings/Terry Wallace
St.Kilda         2001 16 Grant Thomas/Malcolm Blight
Sydney           2002 13 Paul Roos/Rodney Eade
West Coast       ----
Western Bulldogs 2011 22 Paul Williams/Rodney Eade
...
Fitzroy          1996 15  Alan McConnell/Michael Nunan
University       ----

Excellent work and interesting stuff. I wonder if Essendon may be tempted during next season to give-up the record to Geelong?

 

[35Daicos]

If someone can supply any of the following information on club best & fairest winners it would be very much appreciated:- players to have won the award in their debut season (also first year at a second club), youngest and oldest winners, and players to have won a b & f at two clubs.

 

[Ron The Bear]

If someone can supply any of the following information on club best & fairest winners it would be very much appreciated:- players to have won the award in their debut season (also first year at a second club), youngest and oldest winners, and players to have won a b & f at two clubs.

First VFL/AFL season, with age at last game of season:

Player              Cb Year   Age
-----------------------------------
Arthur, Graham      Ha 1955 19y 72d
Baldock, Darrel     St 1962 23y330d
Bradley, Craig      Ca 1986 22y339d
Cable, Barry        NM 1970 26y341d
Cameron, Wally      St 1920 23y296d
Carman, Phil        Co 1975 25y  2d
Clarke, David E.    Ge 1971 18y240d
Coleman, John       Es 1949 20y305d
Durham, Ron         Ri 1943 22y106d
Faul, Bill          Sy 1932 23y 94d
Fothergill, Des     Co 1937 17y 72d
Gellie, Graeme      St 1978 23y249d
Holden, George      Fi 1908 19y143d
Hunter, Ken         Ca 1981 24y151d
Johnson, Frank C.   Sy 1960 28y 55d
Johnson, Wally S.   Fi 1907 19y364d
Jones, Jockie       Ge 1920 21y348d
Kennedy, John J.    Ha 1950 21y240d
Kiel, Peter         St 1982 23y330d
Lambert, George     Fi 1909 21y360d
Leahy, Terry        Me 1966 19y319d
McAlpine, Ivan      WB 1927 20y 53d
McShane, Joe        Ge 1897 28y279d
Mead, Darren        PA 1997 26y155d
Melville, Ken       Me 1953 22y199d
Morrison, Bruce     Ge 1948 25y 77d
Munday younger, Jim Ge 1944 26y306d
O'Halloran, Tom H.  Ri 1925 20y262d
Rioli, Maurice      Ri 1982 25y 24d
Rosewarne, Keith    St 1946 22y 44d
Royal, Brian        WB 1983 21y258d
Southby, Geoff      Ca 1971 20y305d
West, Roy           Ge 1961 20y148d
Williams, Geoff     Ge 1952 21y314d
Williams, Mark M.   Co 1981 23y 36d
Wilson, Ray         Ha 1966 21y218d

First season at second club (third club for Wallace & Walsh):

Player              Cb Year Frst
--------------------------------
Ablett junior, Gary GC 2011 2002
Ablett senior, Gary Ge 1984 1982
Broderick, Neville  Fi 1952 1949
Buckley, Nathan     Co 1994 1993
Connell, Matthew    Ad 1995 1993
Cook, Troy          Fr 2000 1997
Crow, Max           St 1983 1974
Davis, Barry        NM 1973 1961
Dempsey, Gary       NM 1979 1967
Ditterich, Carl     Me 1973 1963
Foote, Les          St 1954 1941
Fowler, Laurie      Me 1975 1971
Gastev, John        Br 1989 1987
Healy, Gerard       Sy 1986 1979
Icke, Steven        Me 1982 1975
Judd, Chris         Ca 2008 2002
Lambert, Craig      Br 1994 1988
Lockett, Tony       Sy 1995 1983
Malaxos, Steve      WC 1987 1985
Mann, Peter         Fr 1995 1991
McKernan, Corey     Ca 2002 1993
McLean, Michael     Br 1991 1983
Mickan, Mark        Ad 1991 1987
Minogue, Dan        Ri 1920 1911
Montgomery, Brett   PA 2000 1997
Murphy, John F.     Sy 1978 1967
Ricketts, Charlie   Ri 1913 1906
Rowlings, Barry     Ri 1979 1975
Russ, Bill          WB 1929 1925
Salmon, Paul        Ha 1996 1983
Schauble, Andrew    Sy 2000 1995
Serong, Bill        NM 1962 1956
Stevens, Harvey     WB 1953 1948
Stewart, Ian        Ri 1971 1963
Teague, David       Ca 2004 2001
Wallace, Terry*     WB 1988 1978
Walsh, Phillip*     Br 1987 1983
Williams, Paul      Sy 2001 1991

Youngest:

  Age   Player            Cb Year
---------------------------------
17y 72d Fothergill, Des   Co 1937
18y 61d Murray, Kevin     Fi 1956
18y 71d Fothergill, Des   Co 1938
18y240d Clarke, David E.  Ge 1971
18y285d Murphy, John F.   Fi 1968
18y321d Dyer senior, Jack Ri 1932
19y 47d Wilson, Garry     Fi 1972
19y 48d Watson, Tim       Es 1980
19y 72d Arthur, Graham    Ha 1955
19y 87d Reynolds, Dick    Es 1934

Oldest:

  Age   Player          Cb Year
-------------------------------
35y 30d Adamson, Jim    NM 1940
34y334d McCarter, Billy Ge 1923
34y209d Hird, James     Es 2007
34y 59d McCorkell, Jock NM 1952
34y  4d Doull, Bruce    Ca 1984
33y338d Thorp, Vic      Ri 1924
33y241d Cazaly, Roy     Sy 1926
33y209d Jenkin, Horrie  Fi 1926
33y181d Titus, Jack     Ri 1941
33y 48d McKay, Andrew   Ca 2003

Two clubs:

Player              Clubs      Career  B&F Club 1                       B&F Club 2
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ablett junior, Gary Ge,GC    2002-2011 Ge 2007,2009                     GC 2011
Bell, Peter         Fr,NM,Fr 1995-2008 NM 2000                          Fr 2001,2003,2004
Cazaly, Roy         St,Sy    1911-1927 St 1918                          Sy 1926
Davis, Barry        Es,NM    1961-1975 Es 1968,1969,1971                NM 1973,1975
Dempsey, Gary       WB,NM    1967-1984 WB 1970,1973,1974,1975,1976,1977 NM 1979
Ditterich, Carl     St,Me    1963-1980 St 1968                          Me 1973
Everitt, Peter      St,Ha,Sy 1993-2008 St 2001                          Ha 2004
Foote, Les          NM,St    1941-1955 NM 1945,1949,1950                St 1954
Healy, Gerard       Me,Sy    1979-1990 Me 1984                          Sy 1986,1987,1988
Judd, Chris         WC,Ca    2002-2011 WC 2004,2006                     Ca 2008,2009,2010
Lambert, Craig      Ri,Br    1988-2000 Ri 1991                          Br 1994
Lockett, Tony       St,Sy    1983-2002 St 1987,1991                     Sy 1995
McGuinness, Tony    WB,Ad    1986-1996 WB 1987                          Ad 1993
Murphy, John F.     Fi,Sy,NM 1967-1980 Fi 1968,1970,1971,1973,1977      Sy 1978
Schwass, Wayne      NM,Sy    1988-2002 NM 1994,1995                     Sy 1999
Stewart, Ian        St,Ri    1963-1975 St 1964                          Ri 1971
Wallace, Terry      Ha,Ri,WB 1978-1991 Ha 1981,1983                     WB 1988,1989
Williams, Greg      Ge,Sy,Ca 1984-1997 Ge 1985                          Ca 1994

 

[SJ]

First season at second club (third club for Wallace & Walsh):

Player              Cb Year Frst
--------------------------------
[B][COLOR=red]Ablett junior, Gary GC 2011 2002[/COLOR][/B]
Broderick, Neville  Fi 1952 1949
Buckley, Nathan     Co 1994 1993
Connell, Matthew    Ad 1995 1993
Cook, Troy          Fr 2000 1997
Crow, Max           St 1983 1974
Davis, Barry        NM 1973 1961
Dempsey, Gary       NM 1979 1967
Ditterich, Carl     Me 1973 1963
Foote, Les          St 1954 1941
Fowler, Laurie      Me 1975 1971
Gastev, John        Br 1989 1987
Healy, Gerard       Sy 1986 1979
Icke, Steven        Me 1982 1975
Judd, Chris         Ca 2008 2002
Lambert, Craig      Br 1994 1988
Lockett, Tony       Sy 1995 1983
Malaxos, Steve      WC 1987 1985
Mann, Peter         Fr 1995 1991
McKernan, Corey     Ca 2002 1993
McLean, Michael     Br 1991 1983
Mickan, Mark        Ad 1991 1987
Minogue, Dan        Ri 1920 1911
Montgomery, Brett   PA 2000 1997
Murphy, John F.     Sy 1978 1967
Ricketts, Charlie   Ri 1913 1906
Rowlings, Barry     Ri 1979 1975
Russ, Bill          WB 1929 1925
Salmon, Paul        Ha 1996 1983
Schauble, Andrew    Sy 2000 1995
Serong, Bill        NM 1962 1956
Stevens, Harvey     WB 1953 1948
Stewart, Ian        Ri 1971 1963
Teague, David       Ca 2004 2001
Wallace, Terry*     WB 1988 1978
Walsh, Phillip*     Br 1987 1983
Williams, Paul      Sy 2001 1991

You can add his dad to that list.

 

[Ron The Bear]

You can add his dad to that list.

Thanks, fixed. His name did come up but some of the two-club queries aren't "clean" and produce multiple lines which need to be deleted when formatting in Notepad. Senior's name was accidentally scrapped.

 

[35Daicos]

Thanks very much for that, Ron. Outstanding as always! It's interesting to note that no player has won the award at 3 clubs, the fact that Greg Williams missed out at Sydney is very surprising.