Stats questions

[JP2]

Is it possible to make a list of players who took the most amount of games to register some particular stat? E.g. who went the highest number of games before registering their first goal, possession, mark, tackle, hitout etc.?

 

[Ron The Bear]

Bolton was pick 29? What a steal.

It was originally Hawthorn's pick, used on Vickery...

 

[RedmanWasHere]

It was originally Hawthorn's pick, used on Vickery...

And guess what number Vickery was before joining Hawthorn.

 

[GoldenMagpie16]

When's the last time 8 goals in a quarter happened three times in a round of footy? Surely it'll be a few years ago

Essendon kicked 8.2 50 in the second quarter against Hawthorn
Hawthorn kicked 8.0 48 in the third quarter against Essendon
Port Adelaide kicked 8.2 50 in the second quarter against North Melbourne
Sydney kicked 9.2 56 in the third quarter against Brisbane

 

[Ron The Bear]

When's the last time 8 goals in a quarter happened three times in a round of footy? Surely it'll be a few years ago

3 quarters - 2017 R16
4 quarters - 2015 R23
5 quarters - 2008 R21
6 quarters - 2001 R16 (actually 7 quarters, equalling the record of 1983 R5)

 

[Bluish]

How often has a father coached against his son, as could happen with David and John Noble

2

John Noble

Age

28

Ht

180cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.3

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

7.1

4star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

186.1

3star

D

14.2

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.8

3star

MG

149.7

3star

D

18.8

5star

K

11.0

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

229.8

4star

soon? At the game yesterday me and the people I was with could only come up with John Kennedy Sr/Jr. Noting also the recent case with the Burkes in the AFLW.

 

[35Daicos]

How often has a father coached against his son, as could happen with David and John Noble soon? At the game yesterday me and the people I was with could only come up with John Kennedy Sr/Jr. Noting also the recent case with the Burkes in the AFLW.

I don't have a definitive answer, but Bob (Footscray coach) and Robert Rose (Collingwood) did come up against one another at least once.

 

[Cuzz09]

Just wrote this on a different thread.

Eagles won/held on to win the 06 GF kicking 4.6 in the 2nd half.

Whats the lowest amount kicked in a 2nd half but still won??

GF or whatever (Im guessing those old days where it was 4.3 to 2.1 still count)

 

[Ron The Bear]

Just wrote this on a different thread.

Eagles won/held on to win the 06 GF kicking 4.6 in the 2nd half.

Whats the lowest amount kicked in a 2nd half but still won??

GF or whatever (Im guessing those old days where it was 4.3 to 2.1 still count)

Essendon 1898 R3 and Collingwood 1899 R11 went scoreless in the second half and still won. Another 16 teams scored 1-6 points between 1897-1953 and won. Last 50 years:

G	B	P	Club	Year	Round	Opp
0	7	7	N.M.	1984	17	St.K
0	8	8	Ess	1989	13	W.B.
1	2	8	W.B.	1995	17	Haw
1	2	8	Melb	2020	2	Carl
1	3	9	P.A.	1999	11	Rich
1	3	9	Bris	2020	15	Coll
1	5	11	Melb	1990	18	Bris
1	5	11	Frem	1997	14	Syd
1	5	11	N.M.	2001	4	Geel
1	5	11	Syd	2004	15	Adel
1	5	11	Melb	2015	16	Bris
1	5	11	Rich	2020	6	Syd
1	6	12	W.C.	2007	1	Syd
2	1	13	Carl	1977	14	Haw
1	7	13	Melb	1985	19	St.K
1	7	13	P.A.	2018	12	Rich
1	8	14	Adel	1991	17	Carl
2	2	14	St.K	2011	15	N.M.
2	2	14	Coll	2019	QF	Geel
2	3	15	W.B.	1972	15	St.K
2	3	15	Melb	2010	18	Bris
1	9	15	W.C.	2017	8	W.B.
2	3	15	W.C.	2020	15	Ess

Lowest to win a GF was Carlton 0.1 in 1908 v Essendon. Six other teams won GFs scoring between 7-11 points 1898-1927. Carlton v Essendon again kicked 1.6 in 1968. More recently, Sydney kicked 2.7 in 2005 v West Coast.

 

[hawkman]

After Connor Downie didn't get on the field in his first game. Were there any 1st gamers that were subs in the 2011-2015 period that didn't get on the field?

I guess it would have happened regularly when it was originally the substitute rule in the 70s and prior

 

[Ron The Bear]

After Connor Downie didn't get on the field in his first game. Were there any 1st gamers that were subs in the 2011-2015 period that didn't get on the field?

I guess it would have happened regularly when it was originally the substitute rule in the 70s and prior

Can't find any debutants in that period with straight zeroes.

Jack Dyer sat on the bench throughout his debut. Back then players didn't come off unless they literally couldn't continue for fear of letting the substitute shine and take their place in the starting 18. If the sub didn't get on the ground, the club was only obligated to pay 50% of match fees; in an era when property stewards mended holes in socks to save money, it all counted.

 

[Gibbsy]

Can't find any debutants in that period with straight zeroes.

Jack Dyer sat on the bench throughout his debut. Back then players didn't come off unless they literally couldn't continue for fear of letting the substitute shine and take their place in the starting 18. If the sub didn't get on the ground, the club was only obligated to pay 50% of match fees; in an era when property stewards mended holes in socks to save money, it all counted.

Ron, do you have a list of debutants between 1965 and 1977 (cross over between the 'stats era' and the 'reserve era') where players got zeroes across the board upon debut? Thanks

 

[Ron The Bear]

Ron, do you have a list of debutants between 1965 and 1977 (cross over between the 'stats era' and the 'reserve era') where players got zeroes across the board upon debut? Thanks

Year	Round	Club	Player	Opp
1965​	2​	Ri	Dickeson, Wilf	Co
1965​	2​	Ri	Perry, Mike	Co
1965​	3​	Ca	Trotman, Jeff	Sy
1965​	3​	Ge	Barr, Alan	NM
1965​	3​	Ha	Smith, Wes	Co
1965​	6​	Co	Huppatz, Kevin	Me
1965​	6​	Sy	Parker, Brian	Es
1965​	9​	Ge	Farman, Terry	Sy
1965​	11​	Ca	Stone, Ron	St
1965​	11​	NM	Gavin, Barry	WB
1965​	13​	Ca	Schmidt, Barry	Ge
1965​	13​	Ha	Taylor, Noel	Es
1965​	17​	Ha	Burgess, Greg	WB
1965​	18​	Ri	Ronaldson, John	NM
1966​	1​	Me	Stewart, Bob K.	St
1966​	2​	WB	Dowd, Greg	Ri
1966​	3​	Ge	Herrod, Darryl	WB
1966​	6​	Fi	Ellis, Kingsley	St
1966​	8​	Es	Hird junior, Allan	St
1966​	8​	St	Davis, Allan	Es
1966​	8​	Sy	Cook, Russell	Ca
1966​	9​	Ca	McLean, Ricky	Ha
1966​	11​	Me	Murnane, John	Ge
1966​	12​	Me	Osborne, Graham G.	St
1966​	13​	Ca	Lane, Bob	St
1966​	13​	Es	Wilson, Bob M.	NM
1966​	14​	Ri	Orchard, Ray	Me
1966​	15​	Ha	Johnson, Ted C.	NM
1966​	18​	Co	Bremner, Ian	WB
1967​	3​	Sy	Roche, Kevin	WB
1967​	5​	Ge	Marsden, Rodger	Es
1967​	5​	Ge	Primmer, Barry	Es
1967​	7​	Me	Feldmann, Derek	Es
1967​	8​	Co	Alexander, Terry	Ri
1967​	8​	NM	Cameron, Garry	Es
1967​	10​	Fi	Kuka, Andrew	Es
1967​	11​	NM	Peterson, Len	Ge
1967​	11​	WB	Percy, Robert	Ha
1967​	13​	Me	Sullivan, Tony	Ge
1967​	14​	Es	Buhaj, Wally	Co
1967​	14​	NM	Cameron, Les	Ca
1967​	16​	Co	Leslie, Barry	Sy
1968​	1​	Ha	Smith, Jim	Es
1968​	1​	NM	Hughes, Rod T.	WB
1968​	2​	Es	Daniel, Peter	NM
1968​	6​	Ge	Gilmore, Tony	Ha
1968​	10​	Fi	Atkinson, John	Ri
1968​	11​	St	Besanko, Neil	Ha
1968​	13​	Sy	Anderson, Ray	Ha
1968​	19​	Es	Stillman, Les	St
1968​	19​	Fi	Martin, Harold	Ca
1968​	20​	Ha	Francis, Michael	Fi
1969​	1​	Ha	Chiron, Gene	Co
1969​	1​	NM	Pretty, David	Sy
1969​	3​	Co	Lawrie, Gordon	Me
1969​	3​	Fi	Baker, Bruce	St
1969​	5​	Es	Barclay, Stuart	NM
1969​	7​	Sy	Luscombe, Ken	WB
1969​	8​	Es	Stevenson, Ian	WB
1969​	10​	Me	Mitchell, Mark	WB
1969​	11​	Es	Headlam, Wayne	Co
1969​	12​	Sy	McLeish, David	NM
1969​	15​	Co	Dean, Robert	Ca
1969​	15​	Es	Fields, Neville	Me
1969​	20​	NM	Neal, Brian	Co
1970​	1​	Es	Perry, Greg	Ca
1970​	4​	WB	Zeltner, Trevor	Sy
1970​	7​	NM	Feltham, Paul	Es
1970​	8​	Ge	Adams, Robert	St
1970​	9​	WB	Austin, Graeme	Fi
1970​	11​	Sy	Miller, Neville	Co
1970​	12​	Me	Burgmann, Lloyd	Sy
1970​	13​	Ha	Rice, Leon	Me
1970​	15​	Co	Outtram, Bruce	Ge
1970​	16​	Es	Parkes, Gary	Ge
1970​	21​	St	Nisbet, Darryl	Co
1971​	2​	Sy	Brown, Peter G.	Ge
1971​	3​	St	Grambeau, Shane	Ri
1971​	5​	Ge	Martella, Brian	Es
1971​	8​	Ca	Warden, John	Ri
1971​	9​	NM	Hall, Brian	Ge
1971​	14​	Sy	Matthews, Dennis	WB
1971​	16​	Co	Stevens, Paul	NM
1971​	18​	NM	Nunn, Bill	Me
1971​	21​	Me	Williamson, Peter	Ri
1972​	1​	NM	Douglas, John R.	St
1972​	1​	St	Anthony, John W.	NM
1972​	2​	Fi	Robertson, Glenn	St
1972​	9​	Fi	Formosa, John	Ri
1972​	13​	Fi	Austen, Geoff	St
1972​	20​	Ri	Gaunt, Graham	Fi
1973​	2​	Me	Cumming, John	Ha
1973​	2​	Me	Fitzsimmons, Shane	Ha
1973​	6​	Co	Foley, Kerry	Me
1973​	9​	Co	O'Sullivan, Danny	Ri
1973​	9​	Ha	Jones, Bernie	St
1973​	9​	Me	McGuinness, Ian	WB
1973​	10​	Ha	Judd, Colin	Co
1973​	10​	St	Elliott, Robert	NM
1973​	11​	Sy	Hodges, Russell	Ha
1973​	13​	Sy	Harley, Gary	Es
1973​	13​	WB	Carroll, Ted	Co
1973​	14​	NM	Michalczyk, Dick	Ri
1973​	15​	Co	Browne, Michael	Ge
1974​	1​	Ha	Donaldson, Russell	Ri
1974​	2​	Ge	Eddy, Barry	Ca
1974​	2​	Me	Payne, Dennis	St
1974​	4​	Ha	Steel, Kelvin	Es
1974​	5​	Ri	Nettlefold, Bill	St
1974​	9​	Ha	Reinmuth, Paul	St
1974​	11​	Ha	Beattie, Ron	NM
1974​	17​	WB	Gieschen, Jeff	Es
1974​	20​	Es	Robins, Stephen	NM
1974​	20​	Ge	Scale, Doug	Sy
1975​	1​	Ha	De Wolde, Alle	NM
1975​	1​	Sy	Cowmeadow, Garry	Co
1975​	2​	Ha	Harrison, Glenn	St
1975​	3​	Es	Hatcher, Graeme	Me
1975​	3​	Sy	Brand, Alan	St
1975​	8​	Fi	Lorenzini, John	Sy
1975​	10​	St	Carter, Colin	NM
1975​	11​	Co	Cahill, Terry A.	Me
1975​	11​	Fi	Lewis, John Fellowes	Ge
1975​	11​	Ha	Polkinghorne, David	Es
1975​	13​	Ca	Halloran, Danny	Co
1975​	13​	Co	Wise, John	Ca
1975​	15​	Me	Ough, Barry	Es
1975​	19​	Co	Gonsalves, Bruce	Es
1976​	1​	Ri	Stonehouse, Ken	Fi
1976​	4​	Co	Wight, Terry	Ri
1976​	5​	Co	McDonald, Lachie	St
1976​	7​	Fi	Chapman, Gary	Sy
1976​	7​	Ha	Paton, Ian	Me
1976​	12​	St	Booth, Doug	Ha
1976​	13​	Fi	Fowler, Grant	St
1976​	18​	Ge	Nish, Colin	WB
1976​	18​	WB	Wheeler, Garry	Ge
1977​	1​	Fi	MacLeod, Neil	Ri
1977​	2​	Sy	Morwood, Paul	Es
1977​	4​	Ha	Ablett, Kevin	Ca
1977​	10​	Ri	Laughlin, Peter	Ca
1977​	10​	Sy	Demetriou, Andy S.	Co
1977​	15​	Ca	Young, Michael	St
1977​	16​	Me	Alves, Mark	Ri
1977​	21​	St	Evans, Dale	NM

 

[Gibbsy]

Plenty there! I know at least one of them only played the one league match too (the other Demetriou). Much appreciated.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Plenty there! I know at least one of them only played the one league match too (the other Demetriou). Much appreciated.

Have highlighted the one-gamers in red, including the appropriately-named Barry Ough. Stats for Terry Cahill's only match are unavailable.

 

[North park]

Tonight we will see the 17th placed Gold Coast Suns take on the 18th placed North Melbourne.

Has there ever been a Round 2 match-up between 17 v 18?

Are there any instances of the bottom and second bottom teams meeting in Round 2?

 

[Ron The Bear]

Tonight we will see the 17th placed Gold Coast Suns take on the 18th placed North Melbourne.

Has there ever been a Round 2 match-up between 17 v 18?

Are there any instances of the bottom and second bottom teams meeting in Round 2?

Year	Home	Pos	Away	Pos	Clubs
1899	St.K	7th	Ess	8th	8
1903	St.K	8th	Ess	7th	8
1904	Syd	7th	Carl	8th	8
1907	Geel	7th	Carl	8th	8
1910	Rich	10th	Melb	9th	10
1913	Univ	10th	Melb	9th	10
1933	Geel	11th	Melb	12th	12
1934	Melb	11th	Haw	12th	12
1953	Haw	12th	St.K	11th	12
1955	N.M.	11th	Coll	12th	12
1966	Haw	11th	Melb	12th	12
1971	Syd	12th	Geel	11th	12
1981	Syd	11th	Rich	12th	12
1982	W.B.	11th	Coll	12th	12
2007	Haw	16th	Melb	15th	16

 

[Goggin Our Best]

Re The Eagles v Western Bulldogs game today

The Eagles side had 3 ex Geelong players in it Kelly Vardy and Jones

I wonder what the record or highest number of players in a team is who all previously played for some same other club in the AFL/VFL history

 

[Ron The Bear]

Re The Eagles v Western Bulldogs game today

The Eagles side had 3 ex Geelong players in it Kelly Vardy and Jones

I wonder what the record or highest number of players in a team is who all previously played for some same other club in the AFL/VFL history

Brisbane 1988 in Round 10, 17 and 22 had 7 ex-Essendon players
University 1908 in Round 3 had 7 ex-Melbourne players
University 1908 R1,2,4,9 and 1909 R10 had 6 ex-Melbourne players
Melbourne 1982 R1,3-9 and 1984 R17,19 and 1985 R8 had 6 ex-North Melbourne players
St.Kilda 1987 R2,5,6 had 6 ex-Carlton players
Brisbane 1987 R4,5 and 1988 R5,12,15,16,18 had 6 ex-Essendon players

Most this century are Carlton 2016 R17 with 5 ex-GWS players and Essendon 2020 R17 also with 5 ex-GWS players.

 

[North park]

We now have 5 teams unbeaten with 2-0 records and 5 teams winless with 0-2 records.

After Round 3, it is possible we could have 4 unbeaten teams with 3-0 records and 5 teams winless with 0-3 records.

What is the record for the most unbeaten teams after x rounds?

And the record for the most winless teams after x rounds?

 

[Ron The Bear]

^^ The below is by games played since in some seasons there were byes and scrambled rounds

Played​	Teams yet to lose​	Season(s)	Teams yet to win​	Season(s)
1​	9​	12 seasons	10​	2011
2​	8​	2017	8​	2017
3​	5​	1995,2013	6​	2011
4​	3​	10 seasons	4​	1995
5​	3​	5 seasons	4​	1995
6​	3​	1995,2008	3​	1995,2012
7​	3​	2008	2​	6 seasons
8​	3​	2008	2​	5 seasons
9​	2​	2009	2​	1972,2007,2012
10​	2​	2009	2​	1972
11​	2​	2009	1​	32 seasons
12​	2​	2009	1​	28 seasons
13​	2​	2009	1​	26 seasons
14​	1​	1929,2000,2009	1​	21 seasons
15​	1​	1929,2000,2009	1​	17 seasons
16​	1​	1929,2000,2009	1​	16 seasons
17​	1​	1929,2000,2009	1​	14 seasons
18​	1​	1929,2000,2009	1​	8 seasons
19​	1​	2000,2009
20​	1​	2000

 

[RedmanWasHere]

^^ The below is by games played since in some seasons there were byes and scrambled rounds

Played​	Teams yet to lose​	Season(s)	Teams yet to win​	Season(s)
1​	9​	12 seasons	10​	2011
2​	8​	2017	8​	2017
3​	5​	1995,2013	6​	2011
4​	3​	10 seasons	4​	1995
5​	3​	5 seasons	4​	1995
6​	3​	1995,2008	3​	1995,2012
7​	3​	2008	2​	6 seasons
8​	3​	2008	2​	5 seasons
9​	2​	2009	2​	1972,2007,2012
10​	2​	2009	2​	1972
11​	2​	2009	1​	32 seasons
12​	2​	2009	1​	28 seasons
13​	2​	2009	1​	26 seasons
14​	1​	1929,2000,2009	1​	21 seasons
15​	1​	1929,2000,2009	1​	17 seasons
16​	1​	1929,2000,2009	1​	16 seasons
17​	1​	1929,2000,2009	1​	14 seasons
18​	1​	1929,2000,2009	1​	8 seasons
19​	1​	2000,2009
20​	1​	2009

Isn't Essendon's 2000 also a 20?

R21 was a loss to Footscray.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Isn't Essendon's 2000 also a 20?

R21 was a loss to Footscray.

Of course. Have corrected.

Wasn't an easy query and had to search and enter the results manually.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Of course. Have corrected.

Wasn't an easy query and had to search and enter the results manually.

Still dirty on Footscray 21 years on.

 

[emuboy]

With the NEAFL having ended, a number of clubs from this competition are going into the VFL, including the reserves teams for the Lions, Suns, Swans and Giants.

While the Lions and Giants will be competing in the VFL for the first time, what of the Swans and Suns? If the Swans reserves win a VFL premiership, will this count alongside any flags won as South Melbourne in the VFA? And the Gold Coast Suns contested one VFL season in 2010, when their development team took part in this season before joining the AFL and NEAFL from 2011 onwards. Will the Suns' win-loss records from that one season continue on with the new team entering from this year?