Stay loyal crows fans

[Allefgib]

There is already an online petition.

http://www.change.org/en-AU/petitio..._medium=email&utm_campaign=share_email_mobile

I was amazed last week when one of my work mates said he wouldn't sign it as he didn't agree with it. WTF is there not to agree with. I think it will take a few losses to bottom 6 teams before it will really take off.

The last paragraph may read like we want a member voted board which many may have doubts about.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Any campaign for the removal of the CEO must include the removal of the chairman. In our situation, the two are inexplicably linked. The buck ultimately stops with the chairman.

 

[amer]

John Elliott could have been holding Carlton together in the early 00s....

Not the point.

You cost your team draft picks, you go. Simple as that.

Our board and administration have absolutely no credibility.

You've told yourself this enough times that it becomes a law with no reason or critical thinking to it. Enough others join the chorus that there are just no two ways about it.

Doesn't make it a solution. Just makes it something you want to do.

The earth was at the centre of the universe until a few hundred years ago. It just was. Except it wasn't.

I would like some real qualitative information about who has done what. I want an actual solution thanks.

 

[Slippery Pete]

I would like some real qualitative information about who has done what.

Good luck. The club's not allowed to talk about it, remember?

 

[Slippery Pete]

Then come the decisive sounding cliches. Those words sound good together so we've got to move, and now. Right? Right.

There is still no real evidence or basis for sacking Bailey - or Neeld - being any sort of solution or help for the Melbourne Football Club. Slippery Pete, if you had the choice between a) sacking someone because of the word "buck", and b) making whatever decisions fix what is going on and position us to win premierships, which would you choose?

With the information a supporter has, I write buck on a placard and you're frothing at the mouth thinking about premiership cups. A rabies-****ed lunatic. I'll take the second option thanks. Independent review. Objective recommendations with the benefit of all available information.

This is a bit of a strawman and not relevant to my argument.

My point is simply to be smart about the campaigning. Going after Trigg and Trigg alone does not go to the source. Chapman refused Trigg's resignation, with the unanimous support of the board. Read that again. The unanimous support.

Your post would have been relevant 18 months ago. We're way past the review and the "good hard look at ourselves" stage. Everything's ok. Everyone's doing a great job! We've appointed a new COO to help out! Trigg has upport now! Onwards and upwards!

You're a year and half behind, champ. It's been reviewed, and it's come up roses.

 

[amer]

This is a bit of a strawman and not relevant to my argument.

My point is simply to be smart about the campaigning. Going after Trigg and Trigg alone does not go to the source. Chapman refused Trigg's resignation, with the unanimous support of the board. Read that again. The unanimous support.

Your post would have been relevant 18 months ago. We're way past the review and the "good hard look at ourselves" stage. Everything's ok. Everyone's doing a great job! We've appointed a new COO to help out! Trigg has upport now! Onwards and upwards!

You're a year and half behind, champ. It's been reviewed, and it's come up roses.

You've said absolutely nothing here. You've reiterated that you don't know what goes on, and you've arrived at arbitrary conclusions. The same pointless, meaningless, but decisive-sounding statements. Emotive. But no content of meaning.

"We're way past the review and the "good hard look at ourselves" stage"....because.

"Straw man"....no basis.

There is absolutely no misrepresentation of your argument happening. Your argument is flaky as ****, as is most everyone else's who has weighed in. I wish it wasn't, Pete, I really do. But it is, and your completely barren of content response here reaffirms that.

 

[little graham]

We need to look at ourselfs on this board.

- We have threads where we want the coach sacked.
- We have threads where we want the captain sacked.
- We have threads where we want the fitness staff sacked.
- We have threads where we want the CEO sacked.
- We have an online petition running to remove the board.

What was the club suppose to do over the Bailey situation? He had a go at beating the thing, the club fully supported him, made it clear that his job was waiting for him. We couldn't hire someone else to take over his role while he was trying to beat cancer. I heard people yesterday making excuses for port around how they lost Richardson. Our coaching staff was clearly effected by the tragedy and it couldn't of come at a worse time.They are/were rattled and it came out in the players.

Yes there is underlying problems that have been highlighted by the trauma. We won't know if the pre season efforts to address them would of worked. But what you lot are doing now is sociopathic

 

[amer]

John Elliott could have been holding Carlton together in the early 00s....

Not the point.

Please tell me how Carlton is going right now. Can you tell me how Carlton is going?

The John Elliott decision happened. The John Elliott decision is not right by virtue of having happened. If our quality of thinking begins and ends with looking at what happened, and repeating the dose because of strong sounding sentences containing "buck" and "accountability", then we're far too mechanical and ignorant to turn ourselves into a strong, consistent football club.

I am not saying that I have defeated your position Pete. I am saying that your position doesn't have the quality of evidence behind it for us to just push and get it to happen, to force the club's hand. I want worthwhile shit to happen, because I don't care about Trigg, as unlikable as he comes across, I care about premierships, and the things that will actually make those happen.

 

[The Karma Bus]

You've told yourself this enough times that it becomes a law with no reason or critical thinking to it. Enough others join the chorus that there are just no two ways about it.

Doesn't make it a solution. Just makes it something you want to do.

The earth was at the centre of the universe until a few hundred years ago. It just was. Except it wasn't.

I would like some real qualitative information about who has done what. I want an actual solution thanks.

They won't give us that information because they don't want us to know it.. Trigg's resignation also wasn't accepted..
Join the dots, unfortunately it's all we can do..
The joined dots match up with stories that some people have heard..

Then Demetriou says about how we were trouble/didn't cooperate or whatever.. At the time I thought he was deflecting away from why Essendon didn't receive harsher penalties than us, but he actually probably meant it - as he knew a lot more about the situation..

They all must go, fresh start, new direction..
Ignoring the Tippett stuff, we are in need of change..

 

[Wood_Duck]

I don't have a moral obligation to pay money to an organisation that refuses to allow me voting rights.

'Real fandom' is a false concept.

Ever been to the movies?

 

[Wood_Duck]

being loyal doesn't means I accept poor performance!

Pretty much sums it up.

 

[The Karma Bus]

You've nailed what we know.

A whole load of shit has happened, and our results ****ing suck. We're getting no transparency or feedback from the club. We demand an independent review to be conducted on behalf of the Adelaide Football Club's membership base, with recommendations. We demand action on the basis of these recommendations. We demand a reduction in information asymmetry between us and the club.

I wouldn't mind seeing this, but I give it almost zero hope of happening..
And will it really get to the bottom of all the half truths and no truths?

I might be wrong but I think there's more chance of getting them out with supporter backlash and heat than them having an independent review done..
But do we have enough supporters that care enough to cause this?
I doubt that too..

 

[Niximus]

The "supporters support through everything...the club is always great" BS is...BS.

It is like being a parent, sure you love your child no matter what, but if you never discipline them they will grow up to be entitled little shits.

We're not being bad supporters, we're putting the AFC in the naughty corner to think about what they've done.

 

[OzSparrow]

I find it funny how many here want to pontificate about what a 'real supporter' is or does. A bandwagon supporter wouldnt be coming onto an internet forum talking about how unhappy they are, they wouldnt care, theyd just go do something else. I put up with a lot of shit publicly supporting the crows in victoria. I get told to 'go home' at most games i attend despite living closer to the mcg/ethiad than most of the fountain lakes ferals that say it.

I support the Adelaide Crows football club, and I support ANY player, talented or otherwise that pulls on the jumper and TRIES.

I can swallow repeated losses, I can swallow if I have to an administration that is slowly choking the life out of the club. I can swallow talentless players running around getting the piss beaten out of them by a better quality opposition.

What i CANNOT stomach is insipid heartless performances from people who's only occupation is football and who are paid staggering money to do it. This isnt under 9s where the kids all just want to get a kick and you forgive their fumbles. this isnt under 17s where the kids turn up hungover after a deb ball and play like shit. This is 'Professional' football. If the players arent going to care then im not going to either.

I support the jumper, if the guy wearing it is trying his heart out for the jumper then i support him to.

Totally concur!

As a Melbourne based Crows supporter I continually have to put up with the shite that is dealt to us at games by the feral Vic supporters.

I have seen us belted and humiliated since 1991 and I have also been fortunate to witness the top of the mountain in 1997 and 1998.

I too will ALWAYS support a player who puts his all in while wearing the jumper (Sloany and Patty say hi - even Eddie gets this point!!!). Simple proposition....earn your money!!!! This is not the amateurs but a football BUSINESS! Plain and simple.

The shite that has been dealt up by the AFC in the first 3 rounds is UNACCEPTABLE!!! If we supporters do not hold the HIGHLY PAID Board and Management accountable then who will???

I am a shareholder in this franchise by paying my membership money and attendance money to watch my employees perform. If they fail to perform, both on and off the field, heads should roll (at ALL levels). This is the same in the corporate world as it is in a football BUSINESS.

I will be at Etihad next week against the Sinners (along with my family) and if I get a repeat of Craigy's last game I will, once again, vote with my feet.

In that case, I swear that it may be a bloody long while before I return!!!!!!

 

[OzSparrow]

No one can believe a mess like that didn't cost him his job..
Could it be because some others knew about the contract and were in just as deep?
Others need heat on them too, not just Trigg..

We can't just shut up and move on, the drums have to beat louder..
It's gradually catching on..

Agree!

I sat next to an ex-President of an AFL club at a luncheon in Melbourne a couple of weeks ago.

His words to me were that if Tippetgate had happened on his watch his CEO would be gone with no question!

Chapman is as much to blame for this mess as Trigg! Don't naively think that Bob is innocent in this fiasco.

 

[creme_fraiche]

People can tolerate losing consistently if they can see a light at the end of the tunnel. If I was one of the 4 actual GWS fans last year I could certainly see a light at the end of the continual 100+ point beltings. Problem is, we are so far entrenched in the dark we don't even know which way is up.

Our marketing is pathetic, dated and unappealing. Our coaching panel consists of Sandos mates and ex Crows guys who didn't want to give up on the pay packet and our hierarchy and board are sitting back congratulating each other on a job well done (whilst everyone else wonders how the F they all survived).

Dark times at the AFC.

 

[Slippery Pete]

You've nailed what we know.

A whole load of shit has happened, and our results ****ing suck. We're getting no transparency or feedback from the club. We demand an independent review to be conducted on behalf of the Adelaide Football Club's membership base, with recommendations. We demand action on the basis of these recommendations. Something useful, informed and relevant.

Are you even listening champ? I said before that this has already happened. KPMG conducted a full independent review of the club's governence last year.

What is it exactly you're arguing for?

 

[Slippery Pete]

Then this is EXACTLY what we should be petitioning for.

But we know exactly why they can't talk about it. It was part of the deal with the AFL to soften the sanctions as much as possible. Now, why on earth would any sane fan want our club to break that deal and risk further penalties? The deal is done and dusted. That's not the issue. The issue is those in charge who put the club in the position it was.

Did you take an extended break from planet earth in November 2012 and only just arrive back?

 

[The Karma Bus]

But we know exactly why they can't talk about it. It was part of the deal with the AFL to soften the sanctions as much as possible. Now, why on earth would any sane fan want our club to break that deal and risk further penalties? The deal is done and dusted. That's not the issue. The issue is those in charge who put the club in the position it was.

Did you take an extended break from planet earth in November 2012 and only just arrive back?

If the AFC didn't ask for the muzzle to be put on everyone, I bet they're sure glad it was put on..
Haven't had to explain any of it.. Damn, they say..

 

[Wood_Duck]

But we know exactly why they can't talk about it. It was part of the deal with the AFL to soften the sanctions as much as possible. Now, why on earth would any sane fan want our club to break that deal and risk further penalties? The deal is done and dusted. That's not the issue. The issue is those in charge who put the club in the position it was.

Did you take an extended break from planet earth in November 2012 and only just arrive back?

They should just get Tania Hird to speak for us.

 

[Crowbots are dead]

You've said absolutely nothing here. You've reiterated that you don't know what goes on, and you've arrived at arbitrary conclusions. The same pointless, meaningless, but decisive-sounding statements. Emotive. But no content of meaning.

"We're way past the review and the "good hard look at ourselves" stage"....because.

"Straw man"....no basis.

There is absolutely no misrepresentation of your argument happening. Your argument is flaky as ****, as is most everyone else's who has weighed in. I wish it wasn't, Pete, I really do. But it is, and your completely barren of content response here reaffirms that.

So you are not able to argue for change without all the facts If that were true very little would ever change. It is simply can not be straight forward.

 

[Crowbots are dead]

If the AFC didn't ask for the muzzle to be put on everyone, I bet they're sure glad it was put on..
Haven't had to explain any of it.. Damn, they say..

agree. the muzzle is very convenient for us.

 

[beartoo]

What about players who took pay cuts to keep tippet here only to be screwed in the arse by Trigg

You did say 'players' not player, then you give one example of a player that took a pay cut in Tippett's time at the club. Was Mackay's cut so that the club could boost Tippet's pay, or was it because his performances were not what the club expected? Bear in mind that even with the Tippett backdoor deal orchestrated by Trigg, and most likely with the knowledge of others, the AFC at no time exceeded it's salary cap. Even if Tippett's black deals were included, we were still inside the cap.
I find it beyond the bounds of credibility that Trigg went to players and told them they would be paid less money to play footy and that that money would be transferred to Tippett's account. Or did a deputation of players wait upon Trigg and beg him to cut their pay and give the cuts to Tippo?
AFL players have 6, 8, maybe 10 years if they are lucky with injury and are talented enough to remain on a list to make a quid out of the game. There would be a queue at the door trying to get out if the admin did as you suggest they did.
Screwed in the arse by Trigg my arse.

 

[Freddy Bassett]

I agree we should stay loyal guys...
Fantastic to hear Petrenko, Betts and both Crouch boys were at the Alma Saturday night enjoying a few well earned cold one's.
We are Fu**ed! I do not think our playing group are hurting enough. We support a rabble.
I am really pissed off hearing this.

 

[Freddy Bassett]

My mate who was there just sent me a photo.
Young Crouch and Betts giving thumbs up, sitting in front of a table of drinks like they were celebrating a great win.
Great to see young Crouch is hanging out with Betts.