Stephen Kernahan

[demondavey]

Way to be misleading. Brereton played in three more GF's than Dunstall for two more goals.

Seems to be that a lot of the Brereton stories have some GST & Payroll Tax on them! I am not sure if it was you or another Carlton fan who quoted Kernahans output in finals and it was pretty impressive as well. The Brereton v Dunstall scenario is another.

 

[Franc de Borges]

Seems to be that a lot of the Brereton stories have some GST & Payroll Tax on them! I am not sure if it was you or another Carlton fan who quoted Kernahans output in finals and it was pretty impressive as well. The Brereton v Dunstall scenario is another.

Wasn't me, but Kernahan was always there when it counted. 17 goals in four GF's. Dunstall 23 in five, Brereton 25 in eight.

All guns.

 

[Art Corvelay]

Hawks supporters doing a great job talking down Brereton's career in this thread. Seems every "fact" is a lie, cherry picked or misrepresented.

 

[GreyCrow]

Kernahan will always be in the conversation from the last 30 years. Influence and ability demands that. Personal opinion will determine where you rate him

 

[threesixpio]

If Buddy would have stayed at Hawthorn his ranking would likely be higher. He’s gotta regret that

 

[demondavey]

If Buddy would have stayed at Hawthorn his ranking would likely be higher. He’s gotta regret that

You reckon?

 

[Luv_our_club]

Statistically Roughead will look a better player than Dermott Brereton in many ways. Number of goals kicked, for example. But overall he is not close, imo.

Sticks was an absolute gun, champion of his club, and his era, and his state.

Obviously it shits me that he and others are often rated way higher than Dermott, and Dermott is often rated very low on lists. I don't understand it.

But ultimately who gives a shit (except for me sometimes). We have the memories.

 

[demondavey]

Statistically Roughead will look a better player than Dermott Brereton in many ways. Number of goals kicked, for example. But overall he is not close, imo.

Sticks was an absolute gun, champion of his club, and his era, and his state.

Obviously it shits me that he and others are often rated way higher than Dermott, and Dermott is often rated very low on lists. I don't understand it.

But ultimately who gives a shit (except for me sometimes). We have the memories.

Kernahan is probably rated higher because he was better, he did kick in excess of 700 goals. It's quite unique company up there. Dermott was a gun, out and out gun. Polished Finals operator and critical to some premierships. Roughead is in the same category I reckon. I've seen Roughead deliver in big moments. He would've been second in the norm smith count in 2014 surely.

 

[Tiger2709]

Missed Brereton out - he's ahead of Buddy, Riewoldt and Tredrea - don't let stats blind you on this. (I do see you're an Essendon fan, so maybe you can't bring yourself to utter his name!)

Spot on, Brereton was a beast, 5 day and 5 night flags he was always involved great player.

 

[Tiger2709]

Go back a few more years, Royce Hart was better than all of them.

 

[threesixpio]

You reckon?

Might start a thread on it

 

[Pinnell]

Kernahan was to Carlton what hodge has been to the hawks. Champion player who made his club better with his leadership. This elevates kernahan into the top echelon of CHF's ever. He was a superstar. He is "the captain" still to me.

 

[dipper86]

As

Way to be misleading. Brereton played in three more GF's than Dunstall for two more goals.

As a CHF, 3 grandfinals at the age from from 18 to 20 years old.
Thats misleading.

 

[Brutalitops]

Sticks was an absolute gun, champion of his club, and his era, and his state.

Obviously it shits me that he and others are often rated way higher than Dermott, and Dermott is often rated very low on lists. I don't understand it.

Its called confirmation bias. Sticks has the better record because he was the better player. Strip the emotion from your argument. Brereton was a great player who did a lot of things whilst wearing a Hawthorn guernsey that as a Hawks supporter raises him a bit higher in your opinion. He did a lot of courageous things and was iconic. Not just the 89 GF, but his cockiness, the running striaght through the oppositions 3 quarter time huddle, the Jagger strut... he was less a footballer and more a rockstar at times.

Dont get me wrong, he could back it up no doubt. When Dermie was playing well he let everyone know about it, when Sticks was playing well he let the scoreboard know about it. Dermie was good for a spark to fire up the team when they needed it, Sticks lead by example for 4 quarters every week.

 

[windyhill]

Can drink Sticks, can drink.

 

[Luv_our_club]

Its called confirmation bias. Sticks has the better record because he was the better player. Strip the emotion from your argument. Brereton was a great player who did a lot of things whilst wearing a Hawthorn guernsey that as a Hawks supporter raises him a bit higher in your opinion. He did a lot of courageous things and was iconic. Not just the 89 GF, but his cockiness, the running striaght through the oppositions 3 quarter time huddle, the Jagger strut... he was less a footballer and more a rockstar at times.

Dont get me wrong, he could back it up no doubt. When Dermie was playing well he let everyone know about it, when Sticks was playing well he let the scoreboard know about it. Dermie was good for a spark to fire up the team when they needed it, Sticks lead by example for 4 quarters every week.

Thanks for teaching me about confirmation bias.

I have only heard about it 5 or six times on bigfooty before; but as always used by someone to further their POV.

I never knew Dermott was such a bad player.

During the mid to late 80's a common opinion expressed by "experts" was that if you want to stop Hawthorn you first have to stop Dermott. In any grand final build up the question was not how to cancel out Dunstall's influence, it was Dermott's. (perhaps because Dunstall could not be stopped, haha).

 

[Fluro Boots]

Royce Hart > Dermott Brereton

I often hear Royce Hart talked about by people old enough to have seen him play and in most cases they can't heap enough praise on him. This is people that support a wide range of clubs. He must've been a great player to watch.

 

[Brutalitops]

Thanks for teaching me about confirmation bias.

I have only heard about it 5 or six times on bigfooty before; but as always used by someone to further their POV.

I never knew Dermott was such a bad player.

And thats called a strawman. Never said he was a bad player. Boiled down I said he was cocky as **** but he could back it up. Thats quite the opposite of bad in fact.

 

[Luv_our_club]

And thats called a strawman. Never said he was a bad player. Boiled down I said he was cocky as **** but he could back it up. Thats quite the opposite of bad in fact.

You couched your huge sledges in faint praise for a champion, but the point were the sledges.... like good for one quarter.

 

[Fluro Boots]

Carey reminded me so much of Brereton so often. My two favourite players to watch ever,.

 

[Brutalitops]

You couched your huge sledges in faint praise for a champion, but the point were the sledges.... like good for one quarter.

What sledges? Never said he was only good for one quarter. If you ever saw Dermie play you'd know he was larger than life. Its just his persona.

 

[Cursed Cat]

Missed Brereton out - he's ahead of Buddy, Riewoldt and Tredrea - don't let stats blind you on this. (I do see you're an Essendon fan, so maybe you can't bring yourself to utter his name!)

no way.
I saw virtually all of Brereton's career, saw him live plenty of times.
He was influential in that he would belt blokes and occasionally take a contested mark (was pretty mobile in his very early days too), but he was very very inconsistent and could go missing - well he would've been missing him but it was always easy to spot him in the fluro boots ..

 

[Dank You Steven]

no way.
I saw virtually all of Brereton's career, saw him live plenty of times.
He was influential in that he would belt blokes and occasionally take a contested mark (was pretty mobile in his very early days too), but he was very very inconsistent and could go missing - well he would've been missing him but it was always easy to spot him in the fluro boots ..

OK, as a Geelong fan, think back to:
The 89 GF. Who was the catalyst that day for Hawthorn? Brereton.
Go back to the 88 GF. Who was the catalyst? Brereton. 5 goals before half time.
Go back to the 91 GF. Start of the last quarter, game in the balance. Who kicks the first two goals to break it open? Brereton.
Go back to the 85 GF. 8 goals in a side that got pumped.
Go back to mid 1990. Hawks in have a must win game and in danger of missing the finals. Dunstall out, Brereton has broken ribs. He wears a lifejacket, and kicks 11 goals out of position. Hawthorn win.
Go back to the 89 Second Semi. Legitimate (at the time) hip and shoulder on Van Der Haar, legitimate tackle on Darren Williams, Hawthorn behind, within a few minutes with two legitimate acts, turns the game.

Do not equate stats to influence. And your view of how he was influential completely ignores the examples I have just given you. Yes, he did overstep the mark at times. And yes, he did go missing on occasions - we had that many great players he didn't need to be top dog every week. But I can think of only one GF where he was completely ineffective - 1987. Otherwise, your memories deceive you - the guy was one of the best and most influential big game players in history. 5 day flags and 5 night flags - yep, got all of them through being an inconsistent belter of blokes.

 

[Dank You Steven]

Carey reminded me so much of Brereton so often. My two favourite players to watch ever,.

Carey often cited in his career that Brereton was his idol.

 

[Dank You Steven]

Thanks for teaching me about confirmation bias.

I have only heard about it 5 or six times on bigfooty before; but as always used by someone to further their POV.

I never knew Dermott was such a bad player.

During the mid to late 80's a common opinion expressed by "experts" was that if you want to stop Hawthorn you first have to stop Dermott. In any grand final build up the question was not how to cancel out Dunstall's influence, it was Dermott's. (perhaps because Dunstall could not be stopped, haha).

Sticks and Derm were very different players, but hugely influential in very different ways.