Opinion Stephen Silvagni

[Opine]

Turning and turning in the widening gyre,
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart, the centre cannot hold,
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world

Always liked Yeats.

Ok.

 

[Gointocarlton]

Blakey's dad is an assistant coach, not the senior coach or the list manager. Ultimately not in charge of anything.

Would John sit on match committee?

 

[Gethelred]

If you are referring to SOS, he stated categorically on Footy Classified that he didnt report to the board, he reported the football manager, then Andy Mckay.

No, I wasn't referring to SOS, I was referring to Stamos's contention that Liddle had made a number of mistakes in his time at Carlton.

 

[Opine]

It is what it is.

 

[Wickzki]

It is what it is.

 

[Gethelred]

Ok.

Dare I quote the next bit?

The best lack all conviction, while the worst
are full of passionate intensity.

Do you not think this is an apt description of our reaction to all this?

 

[slashin_velvet]

Didnt Lloyd also conduct a full review onto the football department?

Maybe his review found that Silvagni's role was surplus to needs.

Again, I dont know the answer and would like to know how many List Manager/Strategy employees do not report into the CEO?

 

[Opine]

Dare I quote the next bit?

The best lack all conviction, while the worst
are full of passionate intensity.

Do you not think this is an apt description of our reaction to all this?

No.

 

[jd2010]

Explain this?
SOS has a conflict because we didn't allow a 1st year player to be poached?

No. Just that it will start to get difficult to make those decisions. If a club came to us with a 2nd round pick for BSOS it'd be impossible for the club to do the deal. But if a club came to us for a 2nd round pick for Finbar we'd bite their hand off.

Can you explain the bolded please?

I think the general consensus around GWS and Carlton is that he is very good at the draft and trading for picks. But it's the drafting of mature agers and trading for established players that he hasn't been able to do well

 

[jd2010]

I don't think that's true at all.

The hardcore rebuild was warranted, and a list manager without his name would've struggled to endure the pressures of the build while it happened, but if said unnamed manager were to have made the same decisions along the way before this point their record of successes and creativity would set them apart as a bonafide genius of his craft.

Having said that, his name certainly has had a role in how all this has played out.

There'd be no uproar if Kinear Beetson was sacked

 

[branedotorg]

so an apparently high performing staff member who had a non functional relationship with some of his peers and management has been moved on one year early?

On balance what is better for the club, fractured relationships or high output from one area?

 

[Gointocarlton]

Because Blakey is a gun. Silvagni is on the edge of selection most weeks. On the edge of trading most years. Possibly on the edge of trigger clauses every other season.

So if Crippa's dad was our General Manager of List Management and Strategy there would be no conflict of interest?

 

[Jeremias]

I think the general consensus around GWS and Carlton is that he is very good at the draft and trading for picks. But it's the drafting of mature agers and trading for established players that he hasn't been able to do well

I'd like to know where SOS ranks with regards to success rate of bringing in established players.

It's an easy criticism to make but I think realistically he wouldn't have a significantly worse record than most list managers across the competition.

And that's without making the necessary concessions for the situation in which we've found ourselves for most of his time at the club. Most other clubs have been in a far better position to bring in established quality than we have.

Certainly there have been mistakes but overall I'd suggest he has done a very good job, all things considered.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Of course it was a clash between both of them.

But it's Liddle's job to fix it in a professional manner.

You’ve got the goggles on focussing completely on the Liddle v SOS clash, yet not broadening your thought process that maybe it was also SOS v Recruiting team, SOS v Lloyd, SOS v coaches.

Maybe, just maybe, the SOS v Liddle clash was started because of these other factors....who the fk knows, but it’s a very narrow focus a lot are looking at on this issue.


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[Gointocarlton]

No, I wasn't referring to SOS, I was referring to Stamos's contention that Liddle had made a number of mistakes in his time at Carlton.

OK

 

[Stamos]

You’ve got the goggles on focussing completely on the Liddle v SOS clash, yet not broadening your thought process that maybe it was also SOS v Recruiting team, SOS v Lloyd, SOS v coaches.

Maybe, just maybe, the SOS v Liddle clash was started because of these other factors....who the fk knows, but it’s a very narrow focus a lot are looking at on this issue.

No, it's Liddle's inability to solve whatever the clashes were in a professional manner, so that the Club doesn't look like a basket case, which is the problem.

 

[Styxx]

Think the media is trying to make a lot more of this because they love making headlines and stirring the pot with us, and we haven't given them much lately.

 

[Stamos]

Think the media is trying to make a lot more of this because they love making headlines and stirring the pot with us, and we haven't given them much lately.

Silvagni's unnecessary departure a bad look for Blues

It is broadly agreed within Carlton that Stephen Silvagni did a fine job in reconstructing the club's playing list over the course of his time as list manager.

www.theage.com.au

Sober, considered, accurate.
It might be a big story, which they obviously love, but they're not just making it up.

Perception is reality in this, if you look like a basket case, you are one.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

The leakiness of our Board is disappointing

Haha....there’s only one side the leaks are coming from


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[Percy2257]

Ah yes, Liddle is worried about SOS' conflict of interest but will hire the manager of 3 of our most high profile players

Well he will cease to be their manager when he is appointed! And it seems unlikely that he is going to have make the hard decision to move them on in the foreseeable future.

 

[JustaBattler]

What a masterclass in narrative making and corporate spin!

I always knew I liked you, JAB. This is all the better because you don't actually believe any of it!

Those that looked forward to the romance of a favorite son finishing the job he started and leaving with plaudits and kudos he has deservedly earned is the joy that this rat faced interloper has stolen from members and supporters.
Those who prefer to dwell on SOS's 'failures' or speculate on the issue of nepotism and conflict of interest will take solace delivered by the brave new CEO, Those who are pre-disposed to positive regarding SOS's achievements will feel aggrieved at his loss;and
Those who only care for W/L won't blink either way.

Whatever the perspective, whatever the particular Venn diagram of overlap as far as the above goes for each person will be reflected in their positions and one thing I can say - no one will care more for this than the prospect of dinner and what it entails tonight.

It is 'only' football - Carlton is just a tribal metaphor and all the shenanigans a minor distraction or entertainment.

We all want victory on the battlefield against the foe - this is the promise this the drama of the bread and circus routine.

 

[Percy2257]

If SOS wasn't SOS we wouldn't care less. He did a good job drafting and trading for picks and we should thank him for establishing the list. But he has struggled to add the finishing touches and has a conflict of interest with 2 sons on the list, one of which (Ben) had a rival club contact his manager. He WAS the best man for the job that he took on which was rebuild a list from scratch but now we have moved past him

The List Manager does not do ALL the thinking about the recruitment of players. There is a list management team with whom he works and who provide lots of intel and ideas. However the buck stops with the List Manager.
SOS is not the Messiah but, it seems, he can behave like “a very naughty boy”, at times

 

[Opine]

There'd be no uproar if Kinear Beetson was sacked

You're right. There wouldn’t be.
.

 

[Opine]

Are we really so simple as to believe that the only way organstions can operate with integrity is not to employ personnel with history or other personal connection/s within the organisation?

The conflict issue should be taken for what it is; as a warning sign that steps need be taken to avert possible breaches of interest and or insurmountable pressures on integrity. Granted some pursuits require there be no reasonable perception of a conflict; but it’s doubtful that footy clubs fit that category.

I think it’s childish to suggest that processes could not have been put in place to deal with possible conflict in a footy club environment. I don't buy it.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

No, it's Liddle's inability to solve whatever the clashes were in a professional manner, so that the Club doesn't look like a basket case, which is the problem.

It’s a 2 way street mate, and the board and club as a whole have backed Liddle quite clearly. A decision like this isn’t made lightly


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