Suicide

[lepregnome]

Maybe you're not living your life truly?

and what would that be?

its not like i enjoy this

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

and what would that be?

its not like i enjoy this

What do you dislike about life?

 

[lepregnome]

What do you dislike about life?

its pointless

 

[HappyChappy35]

Yes there is. His nephew commits suicide and the family often bemoan (amongst others things) how their lives have been effected.

It saddens me that people have this view of people who commit suicide.

Well, of course the lives of others are affected by suicide. And as a random on an internet forum, it is not your responsibility to jump to conclusions on this when you probably have absolutely no idea on the circumstances surrounding his nephew's suicide.
There is nothing wrong at all with you having an opinion BTW, it is just that there is no need to judge them and label other people's families as 'selfish' for being upset over a suicide. It is human nature.
I cannot believe the attitudes of some towards suicide in this thread. It is very difficult to judge the circumstances surrounding a persons suicide unless you are a family member/loved one.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

its pointless

Two very interesting words.

What would you like the "point" to be?

 

[lepregnome]

Two very interesting words.

What would you like the "point" to be?

i dont know. something, anything. for it to at least be enjoyable.

all i know is one day i'm going to die and the world will be no better and no worse but at least i won't feel like shit everyday

 

[bunsen burner]

I don't doubt that what gives them depression stays with them, but if they are feeling like they are the cause of the problems and that is what leads them to commit suicide, there are other ways they could remove themselves from that situation. I'm responding to one particular post with that hypothetical, not the broad topic of depression and suicide.

Wow. So clueless.

tip: it's not the situation they are depressed about.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

i dont know. something, anything. for it to at least be enjoyable.

all i know is one day i'm going to die and the world will be no better and no worse but at least i won't feel like shit everyday

You are having an existential crisis in relation to your supposed mortality?

 

[HappyChappy35]

its pointless

Life is not pointless when there is so much to do, live, feel, and experience in this world (as there is). Despite what others say, it is nearly limitless and there to be fulfilled and enjoyed.
I'm only young and whilst I really don't like the world/society we live in, I think I'll make use of all the good in this world. There's plenty of it.

 

[bunsen burner]

You are contradicting yourself in this thread. You say that people don't understand depression, and that it is natural for some people and hard to escape from.

But then you are completely shutting down anyone who feels the natural emotion of anger towards those who have committed suicide and caused their loved ones pain.

Depression, and grief and/or selfishness are different things.

No contradiction in my comments in no contradiction in your distinct lack of intelligence.

 

[HappyChappy35]

i dont know. something, anything. for it to at least be enjoyable.

all i know is one day i'm going to die and the world will be no better and no worse but at least i won't feel like shit everyday

Of course death is inevitable. In the meantime though, enjoy life and all it has to offer.

 

[lepregnome]

Of course death is inevitable. In the meantime though, enjoy life and all it has to offer.

there's nothing to enjoy

i have nothing, no friends no life, nothing

i eat, sleep, work.

 

[bunsen burner]

You bet I'm selfish

I'm selfish for wanting to see him walk into my home right now
I'm selfish for wanting to see that big smile when I open the door
I'm selfish for wanting to hear his laugh float across the room at a family gathering
I'm selfish for wanting to hug him and tell him how special he is to me
I'm selfish for wanting to hear his daughters belly laugh as he blows a raspberry on her tummy
I'm selfish for wanting to see him act the goat with his mother while she nags him


You bet your arse I'm selfish and I make no apologies to anyone for that selfishness.

How does it feel to really have little to no understanding of your nephew?

 

[lepregnome]

You are having an existential crisis in relation to your supposed mortality?

no. i want to die, i just can't do it.

 

[bunsen burner]

the insinuation that we did nothing to help him

You probably tried plenty but from what I can see you didn't really understand his predicament.

and tbh the use of the word "topping" himself is insulting and uncalled for.

Suicide, euthenasia, topping oneself. It's all the same shit.

I have a child of my own who fights these same demons daily

But you think she would be selfish if she topped herself too? That's an alarming attitude.

Well, of course the lives of others are affected by suicide. And as a random on an internet forum, it is not your responsibility to jump to conclusions on this when you probably have absolutely no idea on the circumstances surrounding his nephew's suicide.
There is nothing wrong at all with you having an opinion BTW, it is just that there is no need to judge them and label other people's families as 'selfish' for being upset over a suicide. It is human nature.
I cannot believe the attitudes of some towards suicide in this thread. It is very difficult to judge the circumstances surrounding a persons suicide unless you are a family member/loved one.

I see. So it's okay for said poster to label suiciders selfish but not okay for me to label people with his attitude selfish?

How does that work?

its pointless

Anyone who thinks life is pointless should take up religion. Then they all can trick themselves into thinking there is a point.

For me I don't see a point in life. There may be one, there may not be one. But whilst I'm alive if I can do a few cans and scratch my balls on the sofa whilst watching the Eagles play I don't give a reverse cowgirl f*** if there's a point or not.

 

[Magpira]

there's nothing to enjoy

i have nothing, no friends no life, nothing

i eat, sleep, work.

I completely know where you are coming from.. It's almost like there is no light at the end of the tunnel that's visible and as far as you can see, nothing lies ahead. Feels as though there is no in point just existing and waiting around till you die of natural causes.. You are not alone, I live in that world too

 

[lepregnome]

I completely know where you are coming from.. It's almost like there is no light at the end of the tunnel that's visible and as far as you can see, nothing lies ahead. Feels as though there is no in point just existing and waiting around till you die of natural causes.. You are not alone, I live in that world too

i guess at least i'm not alone in the feeling

Anyone who thinks life is pointless should take up religion. Then they all can trick themselves into thinking there is a point.

For me I don't see a point in life. There may be one, there may not be one. But whilst I'm alive if I can do a few cans and scratch my balls on the sofa whilst watching the Eagles play I don't give a reverse cowgirl f*** if there's a point or not.

i hate religion with a passion, but lately i've been thinking at least it gives some people a purpose in life

 

[HappyChappy35]

I see. So it's okay for said poster to label suiciders selfish but not okay for me to label people with his attitude selfish?

How does that work?

How on earth can you label a random person on the internet as 'selfish' when you probably have little to no understanding of the circumstances surrounding his nephews death? And as far as him being selfish, him and his family may very well have done everything in their power to prevent it from occurring.
And the point of life is to make the best out of a bad situation. The world is not a good place, however there are rays of sunlight amongst the darkness. Make hay while the sun shines.
And sure, we all die- but why wouldn't you want to pass away at a ripe old age with plenty of great memories and good times in your life, whilst having lived it to the best you could? If I lived a great life (still have plenty of it left, I'm only 17) and passed away at an old age, I don't think death would be such a bad thing. I could look back on life with a smile.
That may sound somewhat confusing, but it's just my two cents on things.

 

[Magpira]

i guess at least i'm not alone in the feeling

No you are definitely not... So many people suffer from depression on many different levels and a lot of them can't get the proper help they need because the public mental health system is so ****ing shithouse...

If you wanna talk about it, you can PM me

 

[Magpira]

i hate religion with a passion, but lately i've been thinking at least it gives some people a purpose in life

Well I am not religious either and I have never considered it an option for me because I need to see something with my own eyes and can't bring myself to believe in heresay, but having said that, I have no problem with people who do, at least they are open to the idea of faith and believe that something worthy will come their way one day.. Whatever floats your boat, but it's just not for me.

 

[lepregnome]

Well I am not religious either and I have never considered it an option for me because I need to see something with my own eyes and can't bring myself to believe in heresay, but having said that, I have no problem with people who do, at least they are open to the idea of faith and believe that something worthy will come their way one day.. Whatever floats your boat, but it's just not for me.

yeah i could never be a believer

 

[carn tigez]

Depression, and grief and/or selfishness are different things.

No contradiction in my comments in no contradiction in your distinct lack of intelligence.

Of course they are different things, but they are both mental states that in different people can be equally hard to get out of.

Do you think someone with an anger problem is more at fault for their condition than someone with depression? Or that their condition is more treatable?

And mate, your last sentence just shows your pre-pubescent level of maturity. Ridiculous and unnecessary statement.

 

[bunsen burner]

How on earth can you label a random person on the internet as 'selfish'

Quite easily. Couch potato is bemoaning the fact that a suicide has inconvenienced him.

when you probably have little to no understanding of the circumstances surrounding his nephews death?

Why do I need to know? As far as I'm concerned it's out of scope. Let me dumb this shit down for you because you seem like a slow learner:

Okay:
I miss my nephew. I wish he didn't do it.
I am saddened that my nephew had depression and couldn't see the light at the end of the tunnel

Not okay:
My nephew is selfish because he left people to grieve

Makes no difference what the circumstances are. Get it?

Didn't read the rest of your rubbish.

Of course they are different things, but

No buts. They are different and you're trying to base your line of arguing on an apples to oranges comparison. And about the dumbo remark: some people are so out of their league it's better not to argue but rather taunt. That be you.

 

[HappyChappy35]

Quite easily. Couch potato is bemoaning the fact that a suicide has inconvenienced him.


Okay:
I miss my nephew. I wish he didn't do it.
I am saddened that my nephew had depression and couldn't see the light at the end of the tunnel

Not okay:
My nephew is selfish because he left people to grieve

Makes no difference what the circumstances are. Get it?

Well of course his nephew's suicide has inconvenienced him and his family, it's what happens with every death. Aren't families allowed to grieve for departed loved ones? Obviously not in your eyes, because it is 'selfish' to mourn the loss of a family member.
And yes, circumstance does relate to this. If you have no idea regarding the circumstances around his suicide, then don't pass judgement (same in my case, and as far as I'm concerned I haven't). It's that simple.

Why do I need to know? As far as I'm concerned it's out of scope. Let me dumb this shit down for you because you seem like a slow learner:

Didn't read the rest of your rubbish.

I'm a slow learner and my post is rubbish? Whatever mate. No need for remarks such as this that make you appear as though you are just plain ignorant and/or an absolute cretin.
Again, it's not your opinion I have a problem with, it is the fact you feel the need to personally attack another poster on the basis of their reaction to their nephew's suicide when you have absolutely no idea regarding the circumstances around it.
Anyhow, I'm not engaging in this shit-slinging contest any further, will play the ball rather than the man from here on (and would advise you to do the very same).

 

[Changaneen]

You bet I'm selfish

I'm selfish for wanting to see him walk into my home right now
I'm selfish for wanting to see that big smile when I open the door
I'm selfish for wanting to hear his laugh float across the room at a family gathering
I'm selfish for wanting to hug him and tell him how special he is to me
I'm selfish for wanting to hear his daughters belly laugh as he blows a raspberry on her tummy
I'm selfish for wanting to see him act the goat with his mother while she nags him


You bet your arse I'm selfish and I make no apologies to anyone for that selfishness.

Yes