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Bunk Moreland said:
Every case is different. For people in the very depths of mental illness, what they're forced to endure is something that people just can't judge.

I've heard the analogy of the man walking, and a weight is added onto his shoulders. He buckles, slows down but keeps walking. Until another weight is added... and another, and another, and another. Eventually he cracks, and collapses.

The point is everybody has their breaking point... Whether that's "acceptable" or not isn't really the point. Its what they're forced to endure, minute after minute, hour after hour, year after year. Whilst its incredibly difficult for those close to the victim, sometimes life becomes nothing more than a weight that has to be carried in order to save them that pain. But it can become too heavy. People who haven't had to carry that weight really can't judge.
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one questions, when/where is the point? is the point, where some hypothetical back of camel, cannot bear burden, after the aggregation. or prior to said aggregation. i contend, it is inexorable slide from some unknown point. not after the accumulation of all the burdens.
 

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Anybody have any ideas when it comes to relapses? Like i've been going alright, doing the course I love, having a few good friends, but lately it feels like I just don't find enjoyment out of anything I do. There's this girl I like, and I think she likes me, but I feel bad asking her out or hanging out with her because I feel like she deserves better than me and that i'll just make her life worse. Ditto for any possible new friends. I just feel like i'm going nowhere, even though this course i'm doing guarantees a spot as an assistant at the end of it. I just hate these feelings and sympathise with anybody who goes through this stuff because i've been there, and I don't want to sink to that low again, but i'm finding myself going there and don't know how to stop it.
 
timtamWB said:
Anybody have any ideas when it comes to relapses? Like i've been going alright, doing the course I love, having a few good friends, but lately it feels like I just don't find enjoyment out of anything I do. There's this girl I like, and I think she likes me, but I feel bad asking her out or hanging out with her because I feel like she deserves better than me and that i'll just make her life worse. Ditto for any possible new friends. I just feel like i'm going nowhere, even though this course i'm doing guarantees a spot as an assistant at the end of it. I just hate these feelings and sympathise with anybody who goes through this stuff because i've been there, and I don't want to sink to that low again, but i'm finding myself going there and don't know how to stop it.
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Not being able to find enjoyment out of activities which should be "fun" is somewhat of a red flag, but I reckon you should remember that often these things are seasonal. This time of year when it's cold and wet and dark seem to bring these kinds of experiences out in people. Many of those I know who battle depression find that it almost disappears between September and May, but pokes up around June as the environment generally gets darker and more internal, both physically and mentally. The best thing to keep in mind with stuff like this is that it's not real, it's just brain chemistry playing up due to external factors. It's like an acid trip, and it will wear off eventually. And pursue the freaking girl man! If she likes you, that is all that will matter to her. The rest is just stuff that you've put up in the way to make it harder for yourself to have a great experience. Go for it.
 
Ize Of The World said:
Not being able to find enjoyment out of activities which should be "fun" is somewhat of a red flag, but I reckon you should remember that often these things are seasonal. This time of year when it's cold and wet and dark seem to bring these kinds of experiences out in people. Many of those I know who battle depression find that it almost disappears between September and May, but pokes up around June as the environment generally gets darker and more internal, both physically and mentally. The best thing to keep in mind with stuff like this is that it's not real, it's just brain chemistry playing up due to external factors. It's like an acid trip, and it will wear off eventually. And pursue the freaking girl man! If she likes you, that is all that will matter to her. The rest is just stuff that you've put up in the way to make it harder for yourself to have a great experience. Go for it.
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I know that sometimes these things flare up around June, but like last year it didn't, and I thought I was over it, and for it to come back is just kind of hard to deal with. You know when you think you're over something and then it rears it's head again, it's not something easy to take. And I know that it will get better, it's just that right now. Right now is hard, and anything saying that it will get better a lot of the time it doesn't go into people's heads, because it's just hard.

But thanks it does help to think it's not real and what you said does help, i'm just hoping it will go away soon. :)
 
vealesy said:
Bad analogy.

People that cant carry heavy weight are generally deemed as weak.

The heavy weights and burdens i have been forced to endure have made me stronger.
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One mans weight is another mans feather...
It's not about being weak or tough, it's ones perception.
 

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vealesy said:
Perceive that however you want.

One man is still stronger than the other.
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Not necessarily, what you call a weight I may call a feather, that doesn't make me any stronger, everyone has their own cross to bear.
 
vealesy said:
I dont need a reason.
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Of course you need a reason to keep living. If life isn't worth it, you don't do it.

If I say to you eat some dog shit and you say no, is it because you're a pussy? No, it's because it's pointless and not worth it. If someone's life is a big pile of shit, I don't think they're weak for ending it. Going on for no reason would be stupid and pointless.
 
WeetBixKid said:
Of course you need a reason to keep living. If life isn't worth it, you don't do it.

If I say to you eat some dog shit and you say no, is it because you're a pussy? No, it's because it's pointless and not worth it. If someone's life is a big pile of shit, I don't think they're weak for ending it. Going on for no reason would be stupid and pointless.
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I keep living because i dont want to die.

If someone sees their life as a pile of shit then they should change their perception because they are being stupid by thinking they are pointless.

Choose life.
 
WeetBixKid said:
Of course you need a reason to keep living. If life isn't worth it, you don't do it.

If I say to you eat some dog shit and you say no, is it because you're a pussy? No, it's because it's pointless and not worth it. If someone's life is a big pile of shit, I don't think they're weak for ending it. Going on for no reason would be stupid and pointless.
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Why is going on for no reason stupid? If it works for him then I don't see a problem. Different things work for different people.


vealesy said:
I keep living because i dont want to die.

If someone sees their life as a pile of shit then they should change their perception because they are being stupid by thinking they are pointless.

Choose life.
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I wouldn't say they're being stupid by thinking they are pointless. Sometimes everything feels like shit, nothing is going right. If someone lost their kids, their wife, all their friends, lost their job, framed for a crime and get life in prison for something they didn't do, then their life is a pile of shit and then it would be a bit hard to change their perception. That's going really extreme, the same applies to a lot of people who are in a really dark place. They're not being stupid, it's what their life is and they're trying to work through it, and sometimes for them it just is all too hard and not worth it. They should choose life, but they literally cannot.
 
vealesy said:
I keep living because i dont want to die.

If someone sees their life as a pile of shit then they should change their perception because they are being stupid by thinking they are pointless.

Choose life.
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Why should they choose life if it is genuinely shit? Do I say to you learn to love the taste of dog shit, or just not eat it?

As sad as it is, some people's lives are genuinely not worth living. And if they want to end it, it does not make them weak anymore than you not eating dog shit makes you weak.
 

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timtamWB said:
Why is going on for no reason stupid? If it works for him then I don't see a problem. Different things work for different people.
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When you start calling people weak for not wanting to live a life that's not worth living, even when you admit that there is no real reason for continuing it, it is stupid.
 
vealesy said:
Justifying weakness is weak.

Kill yourself plz.
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You're weak.

Seriously though, any guy that carries on like you do, (i.e. maintains a transparent bravado, claims to be strong and has an aversion to vulnerability) my theory on them is that they're covering up huge deficiencies and weaknesses. It's an obvious defence mechanism because you don't want everyone to see that you're the complete opposite of what you claim to be. If you were strong, you wouldn't feel the need to call others weak and measure yourself against them on that basis.
 
WeetBixKid said:
When you start calling people weak for not wanting to live a life that's not worth living, even when you admit that there is no real reason for continuing it, it is stupid.
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I'm not talking about him calling people weak because of that. I read it as saying he himself has no reason to keep going, but he's still going. Maybe I interpreted that wrong. It is stupid if you call people weak for not being able to continue, I've been there myself and with friends, and people have their own burdens and everyone's burden is heavy for them, even though it may seem easy for others.
 
vealesy said:
Justifying weakness is weak.

Kill yourself plz.
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Ok so you're actually a troll, wasn't sure before, thanks for playing.
 
timtamWB said:
I'm not talking about him calling people weak because of that. I read it as saying he himself has no reason to keep going, but he's still going. Maybe I interpreted that wrong. It is stupid if you call people weak for not being able to continue, I've been there myself and with friends, and people have their own burdens and everyone's burden is heavy for them, even though it may seem easy for others.
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I was responding to this:

People that cant carry heavy weight are generally deemed as weak.

The heavy weights and burdens i have been forced to endure have made me stronger.
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