Summer Transfer Window

[Shoei]

Except for the fact that Liverpool's owner, in his own words, has said it was a minimum fee release clause and they ignored it.

They got lucky that their stupidity wasn't challenged.

 

[pinot]

Except for the fact that Liverpool's owner, in his own words, has said it was a minimum fee release clause and they ignored it.

They got lucky that their stupidity wasn't challenged.

What sort of rubbish have you been reading? If Arse are so stupid for not paying attention to the devil in the detail whose fault is that?

http://www.lawinsport.com/blog/item/luis-suarez-rebel-without-a-clause

 

[Shoei]

What sort of rubbish have you been reading? If Arse are so stupid for not paying attention to the devil in the detail whose fault is that?

http://www.lawinsport.com/blog/item/luis-suarez-rebel-without-a-clause

How about the words of Liverpool's owner?

"Arsenal offered £40m and one pound for him and triggered his buy-out clause," said Henry.
"Since apparently these contracts don't seem to hold, we took the position we're just not selling."

Or does your owner talk rubbish?

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/26414167

And how the **** are Arsenal stupid? They didn't have access to the ****ing contract to read it?

"As with all contracts, the devil is in the detail and without seeing the actual clause in question, firm advice cannot be offered one way or another on how the clause would and should have been interpreted. But, Liverpool's interpretation of the clause was an odd one."


And here's the whole point as I've said time and time and time again.

Basic principle of Contract law - If you write a shitty clause into a contract that is ambiguous, then the court will READ IT AGAINST THE WRITERS OF THE CLAUSE.

Once again, Liverpool are lucky their bluff wasn't called.

 

[Magma]

still find it amusing that that happened but konoplyanka not being allowed to move was an outrage

 

[typeclub]

Liverpool made sure they didn't let Suarez enter another window under that contract.

 

[Zidane98]

Except for the fact that Liverpool's owner, in his own words, has said it was a minimum fee release clause and they ignored it.

They got lucky that their stupidity wasn't challenged.

Henry was taking the piss out of your mob and it worked obviously. There was no end of contract clause, just an obligation to negotiate. Suarez would not need permission from LFC to complete the transfer if it was an end of contract clause. Henry didnt even allow Suarez to negotiate though because he viewed the bid as a pisstake.

 

[Shoei]

Henry was taking the piss out of your mob and it worked obviously. There was no end of contract clause, just an obligation to negotiate. Suarez would not need permission from LFC to complete the transfer if it was an end of contract clause. Henry didnt even allow Suarez to negotiate though because he viewed the bid as a pisstake.

Terrible excuse.

Why can't you just admit it?

Liverpool got away with it. The world moves on.

 

[ADL9798]

still find it amusing that that happened but konoplyanka not being allowed to move was an outrage

Pain in the arse is what it was. To be fair it sounds like it was a slightly different situation with Konoplyanka; his was a hard release clause that we met only for the owner to put his fingers in his ears and sing lalalalala until the transfer window shut, whereas Suarez's release clause was slightly more ambiguous and according to the PFA only allowed Arsenal to negotiate with Suarez, it didn't obligate us to sell him.

 

[Zidane98]

still find it amusing that that happened but konoplyanka not being allowed to move was an outrage

Konoplyanka had a hard release clause and was allowed to leave, it was the crazy ukranian owner who suddenly wanted the whole transfer fee up front at the last minute that veto'd the whole thing. Being hours before the transfer window closed we didn't have time to hammer out a payment plan compromise.

 

[pinot]

Terrible excuse.

Why can't you just admit it?

Liverpool got away with it. The world moves on.

You read BBC tabloids as your source of information in these disputes? Loll what an Arse.

 

[kaiserchief13]

Apparently Bayern will sign a world class centre back and 2 creative midfielders. Who are the options

I'll take a stab and Bayern will sign David Luiz, Koke and Pjanic.

 

[Cruyff14]

Apparently Bayern will sign a world class centre back and 2 creative midfielders. Who are the options

I'll take a stab and Bayern will sign David Luiz, Koke and Pjanic.

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[Shoei]

You read BBC tabloids as your source of information in these disputes? Loll what an Arse.

http://www.espnfc.com/news/story/_/...admits-luis-suarez-did-release-clause?cc=3436

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...hn-henry-reveals-club-ignored-it-9164948.html

http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/02/luis-...-sell-to-arsenal-claims-john-w-henry-4376896/

Or I dunno, How about a ****ing video of him saying it at 2:20




Get back in your box.

 

[Zidane98]

http://www.espnfc.com/news/story/_/...admits-luis-suarez-did-release-clause?cc=3436

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...hn-henry-reveals-club-ignored-it-9164948.html

http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/02/luis-...-sell-to-arsenal-claims-john-w-henry-4376896/

Or I dunno, How about a ******* video of him saying it at 2:20




Get back in your box.

Do you not get it? The only obligation Liverpool had in the clause was to allow Suarez negotiations over a possible transfer. It was not a hard buy out clause and never was. If it was Suarez would not need permission from LFC to conclude the transfer, his agent would have agreed personal terms and the transfer would have happened whether we like it or not. We didn't even allow Suarez to negotiate which was a breach of the terms of the contract but Henry did that on principle because he viewed the Arsenal bid as a pisstake and wasn't happy about Suarez being tapped up.

There never was an end of contract clause. Only a clause to allow Suarez negotiations over a possible transfer. Learn the difference.

 

[Cruyff14]

Who ****ing cares.

 

[Shoei]

Do you not get it? The only obligation Liverpool had in the clause was to allow Suarez negotiations over a possible transfer. It was not a hard buy out clause and never was. If it was Suarez would not need permission from LFC to conclude the transfer, his agent would have agreed personal terms and the transfer would have happened whether we like it or not. We didn't even allow Suarez to negotiate which was a breach of the terms of the contract but Henry did that on principle because he viewed the Arsenal bid as a pisstake and wasn't happy about Suarez being tapped up.

There never was an end of contract clause. Only a clause to allow Suarez negotiations over a possible transfer. Learn the difference.

And you don't ****ing get it. What did Henry just say? What were his exact ****ing words?

"Buy out clause that was activated" "We chose to ignore it"

The contract contained a clause that was ambiguous at best. You can call it whatever the **** you want to call it. a "Hard clause" "soft clause" a "chicken ****ing clause"

It doesn't matter what it is called. A Court of law decides the interpretation of a contractual clause. Not the Players association, not Liverpool, not Suarez and not Arsenal.

And I'll back my Law degree against your quasi-internet googling legal abilities.

 

[Zidane98]

And you don't ******* get it. What did Henry just say? What were his exact ******* words?

"Buy out clause that was activated" "We chose to ignore it"

The contract contained a clause that was ambiguous at best. You can call it whatever the **** you want to call it. a "Hard clause" "soft clause" a "chicken ******* clause"

It doesn't matter what it is called. A Court of law decides the interpretation of a contractual clause. Not the Players association, not Liverpool, not Suarez and not Arsenal.

And I'll back my Law degree against your quasi-internet googling legal abilities.

Seriously doubt you know the slightest thing about law if you honestly believe Suarez' clause allowed him to end the contract. It wasn't, and if it was Suarez would be an Arsenal player right now. End of story.

 

[Shoei]

Seriously doubt you know the slightest thing about law if you honestly believe Suarez' clause allowed him to end the contract. It wasn't, and if it was Suarez would be an Arsenal player right now. End of story.

Did I say he could leave? No.

Did I say Liverpool were lucky it was never Challenged in court? Yes.

Yeah, get out before you get embarrassed. End of Story.

 

[Zidane98]

Did I say he could leave? No.

Did I say Liverpool were lucky it was never Challenged in court? Yes.

Yeah, get out before you get embarrassed. End of Story.

Touchy. Have you been smoking some of the same stuff Henry referred to over at the Emirates? And if you think it would have been heard in court you're dumber then I thought you were. Arsenal's entire approach to Suarez was illegal in the first place, forgot to mention that?

Carry on.

 

[Latro]

Why argue with this moronic campaigner Shoei ?

 

[Cruyff14]

Touchy. Have you been smoking some of the same stuff Henry referred to over at the Emirates? And if you think it would have been heard in court you're dumber then I thought you were. Arsenal's entire approach to Suarez was illegal in the first place, forgot to mention that?

Carry on.

Dumber than.... dumber than.

 

[jd2010]

If this so called clause was triggered by Arsenal why the hell didnt they challenge it?

Suarez wanted to leave and would have ended up there and along with Ozil they'd probably have wrapped up the title by now!

 

[Zidane98]

If this so called clause was triggered by Arsenal why the hell didnt they challenge it?

Suarez wanted to leave and would have ended up there and along with Ozil they'd probably have wrapped up the title by now!

There's a common train of thought that they wouldn't have bought Ozil if they bought Suarez but I don't think that's necessarily true. Ozil was the perfect player for Wenger's game, was available and reasonably young. I think he would have bought him regardless and Arsenal would be on 90 points by now.

 

[jd2010]

There's a common train of thought that they wouldn't have bought Ozil if they bought Suarez but I don't think that's necessarily true. Ozil was the perfect player for Wenger's game, was available and reasonably young. I think he would have bought him regardless and Arsenal would be on 90 points by now.

I'd go as far as saying even without Ozil, Suarez in the Arsenal squad would have them winning it.

If you take Suarez out of your side and Ozil out of there side I'd probably back Arsenal over Liverpool

 

[Shoei]

Touchy. Have you been smoking some of the same stuff Henry referred to over at the Emirates? And if you think it would have been heard in court you're dumber then I thought you were. Arsenal's entire approach to Suarez was illegal in the first place, forgot to mention that?

Carry on.

Not even bothering anymore.

If this so called clause was triggered by Arsenal why the hell didnt they challenge it?

Suarez wanted to leave and would have ended up there and along with Ozil they'd probably have wrapped up the title by now!

Who? Arsenal? Because they are not a party to the contract supposedly breached.

Suarez could have but as people said, it would drag on through system on a long process and the transfer window would have closed before it was resolved. Unless he was hell bent on never playing for Liverpool again and forcing a move away asap then it doesn't really matter.