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BRAB is Will Ferrell's dad?Quintessential Gold Coast, IIRC BRAB is the guy on the left.
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Nah. Where is the budgie smugglers?Quintessential Gold Coast, IIRC BRAB is the guy on the left.
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But why do people need to “come out”. Who gives a crap, just like hearing Dani Minogue coming out. So what? She obviously did it for relevance or his knows what but why do people need to come out. Does someone need to come out if they like to do something kinky or like older women or some other weird fetish, particularly when people just don’t care. The ones that usually do I think do so for commercial reasons or some other benefit.A lot of the posts here regarding homophobia, and comparing to other insults, are missing a major element. Even if the player the abuse is directed at is not homosexual, the use of this as an insult means that anyone hearing it would feel that you can't be gay in AFL.
There are no openly gay AFL players as far as I am aware, but surveys estimate 1 in 33 males in Australia is not heterosexual.
The way I see this is either:
- There are gay players that haven't come out, or
- Gay men do not play AFL
Either way suggests that is because football is not seen as an accepting place due to the abuse you would get.
It doesn't matter a jot if the player in question is gay. It matters that we stop using it as an insult.
Yet they all had a drink with one another after the game irrespective of what was said - I’m not talking racial or homophobic - I guess the feeling I’m getting is that most can’t do that anymore and take everything to heart but in the local footy scene I frequent it still exists. But hey let’s be outragedI don’t see how I am virtue signalling, in my opinion there isn’t room for that sort of banter on the field, clearly you disagree which is your decision. I really don’t know how it can be seen as a bad thing to stamp it out though. The ‘back in my day’ crew seem to think just because everyone was a miserable prick to everyone around them back then then that is how it should always be
Why do people feel the need to come out, really, maybe ask why do people feel they need to live in anonymityBut why do people need to “come out”. Who gives a crap, just like hearing Dani Minogue coming out. So what? She obviously did it for relevance or his knows what but why do people need to come out. Does someone need to come out if they like to do something kinky or like older women or some other weird fetish, particularly when people just don’t care. The ones that usually do I think do so for commercial reasons or some other benefit.
Everyone I know when discussing this are the same; whether you’re straight gay or whatever, so what. There isn’t a need to “come out” - you just be because most I find arejust accepting and some gay fellas I know couldn’t care what they get called because they give just as good back.
They don’t; not the ones I know anyway; they just are and no one bats an eyelidWhy do people feel the need to come out, really, maybe ask why do people feel they need to live in anonymity
They don’t; not the ones I know anyway; they just are and no one bats an eyelid
Why do you feel so precious as to complain about this? You go on about how words don't matter but you're getting your knickers in a twist over people coming out now? Seriously, pick a lane. You've obviously got some serious attention seeking need to keep whinging about it, let along now going on about people who have zero relevance to AFL on here.But why do people need to “come out”. Who gives a crap, just like hearing Dani Minogue coming out. So what? She obviously did it for relevance or his knows what but why do people need to come out. Does someone need to come out if they like to do something kinky or like older women or some other weird fetish, particularly when people just don’t care. The ones that usually do I think do so for commercial reasons or some other benefit.
Everyone I know when discussing this are the same; whether you’re straight gay or whatever, so what. There isn’t a need to “come out” - you just be because most I find arejust accepting and some gay fellas I know couldn’t care what they get called because they give just as good back.
But why do people need to “come out”. Who gives a crap, just like hearing Dani Minogue coming out. So what? She obviously did it for relevance or his knows what but why do people need to come out. Does someone need to come out if they like to do something kinky or like older women or some other weird fetish, particularly when people just don’t care. The ones that usually do I think do so for commercial reasons or some other benefit.
Everyone I know when discussing this are the same; whether you’re straight gay or whatever, so what. There isn’t a need to “come out” - you just be because most I find arejust accepting and some gay fellas I know couldn’t care what they get called because they give just as good back.
Explained it better than I could... the reason the young lady I know "came out" was because she and her partner wanted to lead a normal life and not have to hide their relationship. Unfortunately her immediate family were not very supportive and shunned her for a while, her partner still does not get invited to some family events if certain members of said extended family are there, very sad.I don't want to pile on... It achieves nothing and only makes people more defensive and even more reluctant to consider their position on things.
Coming out happens precisely because of this original incident and some of the comments in this thread.
Coming out is the moment people finally throw away the burden of being different, of feeling the need to live a lie, of hiding the truth from their friends and family. It's a moment where strength finally overcomes the bullying and self doubt.
It's a moment of hope and incredible vulnerability. It's a moment where you pray desperately that the people you share this secret with won't think differently of you, shun you or worse turn on you.
I would suggest that in 99.9% of cases it is part of that person finally accepting themselves and seeking to remove a burden others don't understand the weight of... Not commercialism or popularity or some other external thing.
The fact some have to do it publicly and end up exposed to the scrutiny of strangers, is the reason it's so rare. It's hard enough to reconcile with the people you know and hope love you. It's unfathomably hard to want to expose yourself to the ignorance or criticism of strangers.
Coming out is simply putting down a burden that is your own. It might be shame, it might be fear, it might be difference. But it's a vital part of survival and people being the best they can be for themselves and those around them.
Religion has a lot to answer for. Without religion, arguably we would have not only had several male players be openly gay by now, we would have also had a professional women's competition sooner, as a lot of the backlash to women's rights was led by religious people using scripture to justify their stance.Her family is devoutly religious which is IMO a big part of the intolerance, I do know they voted NO in the same sex marriage referendum.
I have been Atheistic re institutionalised biblical/koranic etc religion for a long while, I can't come at an omnipresent, participative, omniscient, judgmental god.Religion has a lot to answer for. Without religion, arguably we would have not only had several male players be openly gay by now, we would have also had a professional women's competition sooner, as a lot of the backlash to women's rights was led by religious people using scripture to justify their stance.
I'm sure there could be, I just don't trust any organised religion to know the nature of it.However I am open to the possibility of there being more to this existence than we know now.
Who says they are different though? I don’t think they are and think people like you are making this bigger than it needs to. Again, who cares what you’re into and the need to label it? Most people I know couldn’t care less about what you do, who you are and the rest. As long as you’re a good person and kind is all that matters yet I find most here seem to think that because you have a certain view, that is, who cares, that you’re some kind of monster yet most espousing labels and the rest are the ones angry. I dead set have a friend that has chosen to be single and is honestly not into males or females. Should she come out for not choosing?I don't want to pile on... It achieves nothing and only makes people more defensive and even more reluctant to consider their position on things.
Coming out happens precisely because of this original incident and some of the comments in this thread.
Coming out is the moment people finally throw away the burden of being different, of feeling the need to live a lie, of hiding the truth from their friends and family. It's a moment where strength finally overcomes the bullying and self doubt.
It's a moment of hope and incredible vulnerability. It's a moment where you pray desperately that the people you share this secret with won't think differently of you, shun you or worse turn on you.
I would suggest that in 99.9% of cases it is part of that person finally accepting themselves and seeking to remove a burden others don't understand the weight of... Not commercialism or popularity or some other external thing.
The fact some have to do it publicly and end up exposed to the scrutiny of strangers, is the reason it's so rare. It's hard enough to reconcile with the people you know and hope love you. It's unfathomably hard to want to expose yourself to the ignorance or criticism of strangers.
Coming out is simply putting down a burden that is your own. It might be shame, it might be fear, it might be difference. But it's a vital part of survival and people being the best they can be for themselves and those around them.
Who says they are different though? I don’t think they are and think people like you are making this bigger than it needs to. Again, who cares what you’re into and the need to label it? Most people I know couldn’t care less about what you do, who you are and the rest. As long as you’re a good person and kind is all that matters yet I find most here seem to think that because you have a certain view, that is, who cares, that you’re some kind of monster yet most espousing labels and the rest are the ones angry. I dead set have a friend that has chosen to be single and is honestly not into males or females. Should she come out for not choosing?
think people like you are making this bigger than it needs to.