Autopsy Swans vs Eagles

[MarkP]

Much worse for you, especially when players don't do what they are supposed to. Imagine the frustration.

See I never believed this. They are instructed to bomb it away. They are playing the game plan.

If they aren't then that makes Horse look soft and ridiculous and I don't believe that for one second.

Who you going to believe? Your lying eyes or a cultish belief in the infalability of the box?

Yep horse is slowly ruining the best player of the modern era

You can be my senior assistant if you like. Take care of the forward line.

 

[The King!]

Well he was great in round 1 and almost dragged us over the line in round 2 and while I agree and he hasn't been great the last two weeks...how many others have actually been better?

Punts summed it up

Buddy has to play for a coach with nfi

 

[Wolftone]

Looking Cooked

Smith
Grundy
Jack


Hanners parker rubbish

Kennedy carries the team

Mitchell was our second best mid

I learnt we are a crap side right now, people who think we magically turn it on soon are delusional imo

Parker was pretty good actually got 29. Hannas, well you are right there he was abysmal. Carrying an injury definitely.

If you can't do the basics right you can't win, simple really. We had more clangers than Big Ben. Our disposal was dreadful, especially in the back half. I'd also like to mention that we didn't get to train on Subi and we did take a lot of young players who have never or rarely (U18 Championships maybe) played there into the game. It would have been very beneficial to get some practice on the ground.

Our game has for too long been built around our defense absorbing huge amounts of pressure and our mids scurrying the ball out. Now that is turning into scores to the opposition as our experienced players give the ball up time and again. It isn't the youngsters who have skill issues or who panic in a tight situation. A good example was young Fox between HB & wing, surrounded by four Eagles, he gathered, dodged, absorbed the tackles and gave off really well to a running player. That takes skill and strength. We can no longer play the game that relies on the defense absorbing that sort of pressure. we need to win ball at the centre bounces. I though George Hewett did that well and managed to get the ball clear more than any other Swan. Joey is good at that also. Parksie to a lesser extent. But Hannas at the moment should not be in the centre square, he is getting flogged in there I think due to being injured.

Some problems are obvious and one is the form of Nick Smith. If he doesn't improve soon, then when the senior players start coming back maybe he needs a stretch in the reserves. Kizza is injured as well. If he's not he needs to go to the reserves. I wouldn't even wait for the senior players to return before making this move. He is so obviously off the pace that he is a burden on the team and if he was honest he should do the right thing and drop himself. Reg is playing ok but his decision making and disposal have been very mixed. Some of his disposal has been anger provoking for the fans. I don't know what he was thinking when he decided a handball back toward goal to a player surrounded by Eagles was a good thing. He had a player free and ready to run on his right and ignored him to give Smithy a HB. The player he ignored was a young guy. It is becoming a bloody pattern with some of the senior players who seem to only play with other senior players and it is costing us dearly, especially as their decision making and delivery are shite. By the way Aliir was terrible.

Good

Hayward
Newman
Parker
Kennedy
Hewett
Fox
Bud (injured and all he still managed to control play on many occasions)
Lloyd (This bloke is our best player by a mile)
Marsh (often had to make up for Smithy letting Le Cras free)
Jones
a special mention for Sincas as I think he tried really hard and did a pretty good job under dire circumstances
Jones

Those that need to find some form;

Hannas
Smithy
Kizza
Aliir (it didn't help that he was having to go to Smithy's man to pick him up as well as his own)
I'm not putting Reg here as I think he pulled his head in and got his shit together. But I would still like more instruction to the other backs. He is the General down there after all.
Florent (young I know but needs more involvement in the play, sitting on a HF doesn't suit his game and I think this is Horse's fault not his)

We were always on a hiding to nothing and I thought our players were in general ok. The trouble with having to play Reidy in the ruck is you lose that key forward at pivotal times of the match. This was apparent when only Bud was up there and if the ball hit the deck it cam out faster than a ferret down a snake hole. We need to get both Naismith and Tippett back for GWS. They have two top ruckmen and we need to have Naismith in there as he generally beats Mummy. What I am worried about is the game plan. I don't care how many players are out or how young we are, we are getting picked off because our game plan is predictable. When Bud was in the forward line alone all they did was put an extra back and cut him off then run the ball out. We do tend to bomb to him often. This is so predictable and we do it nearly every time. The stats on this are damning. Dumb footy. The idea that you can just simply run the ball out of defense when tight to the boundary is suicide. Yes, we did do it in the past but now they are a wake up and it comes unstuck. We need to be able to get the short kick out to a better position. when we did this we opened up the play, Newman & Jones a couple of times. The stoppages set ups were batter but still not tight enough and there is too much of a gap on the defensive side still. But much better than the first three weeks. In essence our game plan is far too predictable and needs to be rearranged. when we come out of the centre I always say, long bomb, and guess what, that is exactly what happens. Joey is not blazing away lately I noticed, that kick to either Hayward or Florent was super.

It's not all doom and gloom. We can still make the finals. But we have to get healthy and stay healthy for this to happen. It doesn't matter if we go 0-5. We are either going to write the season off and play the youngsters at that stage or bring the senior players back and make a charge. Either way I'm content. Next year will be incredible.

 

[bedford]

Jack looks cooked like McVeigh

 

[Ticky009]

Geez Hayward looked class last night.

Honest to god natural forward with some smarts. A shining light in our pile of doggy doo

 

[RainMachine]

Just turned on the TV and the replay was on. Turned it off after 5 seconds after Jones failed a basic 20m kick. Our skills are so poor, often not even afl quality.
Let's be honest, when Hannebery, Parker, Jack are all up and about, Rohan, Heeney and Papley are fit, we play well but our gameplay is fundamentally broken and stupid. It's hack forward at all costs- No looking for an outside option, no hit up 10-15m lead - just gain distance.

The players' ability (bar kicking skills) and hardwork mask over our deficiencies.
How long are we going to persevere with this 12 man midfield? Anyone can see it only makes it harder to get it out of defence, when no one has any space to make any movement. When buddy gets the ball in the centre square and reid is next to him, something is wrong. If this is a player's problem, how hard is it to direct 2-3 forwards to stay in the forwardline at all costs?
Just an absolute waste. It's frustrating because we've seen it for years. The freo final in 2013, the early games in 2014, most of 2015, now.... when we dont have our stars on the park or in form, our gameplan gets exposed badly. Even the amateurs in the commentary box picked up on our issues nonchalantly
Cant really fault out player's development over the past few years but Horse is questionable on gameday

Injuries and niggles aside, i want to see one/1/un/ichi/(i) game where we play with a genuine forwardline, retain possession and create space

 

[The King!]

Parker may have got some touches

But he puts his team mates under the pump so often

 

[Punts]

Look at a few things

Shuey etc when got a clearance either turned back to look for the running HBF or looked to the wing to pass off.

Parker etc just bomb and hope from the clearances.

Buddy marks it on the wing , stands there until his time is up then cracks it a bombs away , last thing he wanted to do.

FFS playing on from the goal square and kicking long to boundary is driving me nuts

Playing on at all cost putting players under imence pressure

Only way Horse will change is if zones come in

 

[Number37]

Punts summed it up

Buddy has to play for a coach with nfi

Clarkson the genius played Buddy in a roaming role.
Longmire has NFI for doing the same thing.

C'mon King. Double standards much?

 

[Punts]

Clarkson the genius played Buddy in a roamoing.
Longmire has NFI for doing the same thing.

C'mon King. Double standards much?

Yer but clarko also left the forwards in the forward line and had a structure otherwise roughy wouldn't have a Coleman , they also won the flag

 

[The King!]

Clarkson the genius played Buddy in a roamoing role.
Longmire has NFI for doing the same thing.

C'mon King. Double standards much?

See punts reply

Longmire doesnt have a forward line

We play to minimise the damage right now not to win

 

[Punts]

We won't kick over 100 points more than 4 times this year

And it's not the forwards fault , no talent is a bullshit excuse

It's a structural issue and how we move Ve the ball

 

[Number37]

Yer but clarko also left the forwards in the forward line and had a structure otherwise roughy wouldn't have a Coleman , they also won the flag

True but we don't have Burgoyne or Mitchell to put it lace out.
We had Mitchell kicking it every which way and Parker/Hanners the other direction.

 

[The King!]

We won't kick over 100 points more than 4 times this year

And it's not the forwards fault , no talent is a bullshit excuse

It's a structural issue and how we move Ve the ball

Reid finally looks capable of dominating if its kicked down there too


Even bloody tippett might clunk a few if they structure up

And of course a superstar in bud

Papley crumbing, Rohan back, hayward etc

Talent is there just coach to win the game please

 

[Number37]

We won't kick over 100 points more than 4 times this year

And it's not the forwards fault , no talent is a bullshit excuse

It's a structural issue and how we move Ve the ball

Agreed its structural.
But the defect is in the midfield structure. Too often they get caught in no man's land. When we played slingshot we opened up one side of the ground completely. Now we try and do a full field slingshot and just get picked off by opposition rebounders. We need to run with the ball more.

 

[The King!]

True but we don't have Burgoyne or Mitchell to put it lace out.
We had Mitchell kicking it every which way and Parker/Hanners the other direction.

Yeah true but not going to hit targets at all if there are none

Buddy and Reid can get things done if they play forward

 

[bedford]

We won't kick over 100 points more than 4 times this year

And it's not the forwards fault , no talent is a bullshit excuse

It's a structural issue and how we move Ve the ball

You can't kick goals if there's no one in the forward line.

 

[The King!]

Agreed its structural.
But the defect is in the midfield structure. Too often they get caught in no man's land. When we played slingshot we opened up one side of the ground completely. Now we try and do a full field slingshot and just get picked off by opposition rebounders. We need to run with the ball more.

Agree to a point

Also need better decision making too and run and carry vs stop and look for a better option is a key part

Stop handballing around in circles to guys in trouble like parker and hanners do

 

[J_Moore]

I don't understand the hate for Grundy. He was good down back. .
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He competed well with Kennedy, but his clangers were some of the worst you'll see and led directly to at least 3 goals.

It's why I reckon the "Grundy is too old and he's cooked" stuff is a bit off the mark. Being 30 isn't causing him to handball and kick directly to our player's feet 30m from goal. In many ways, he's playing like he's 25 again (ie:disposing of it like an idiot).

 

[Punts]

Tell me how many times a game we hit a leading target coming out of the forward line

How many times do we go shit that was a awesome passage of play

Hardly ever because either we bomb it or we have an empty foward 50

Best thing we could do is go simple and leave the forwards in the 50 and let the mids HB win it and deliver to a leading forward

 

[Number37]

Agree to a point

Also need better decision making too and run and carry vs stop and look for a better option is a key part

Stop handballing around in circles to guys in trouble like parker and hanners do

Slingshot is dead.
But we still play a crappy version of it

 

[Donza]

2014`s bad start was structural.
2017`s bad start is confidence.

Strangely I think the swans best isn't far away. I penciled this game and the doggies game in as a loss during the offseason.

 

[Donza]

Btw god the wce got some soft frees coming out of defence.

 

[The King!]

2014`s bad start was structural.
2017`s bad start is confidence.

Strangely I think the swans best isn't far away. I penciled this game and the doggies game in as a loss during the offseason.

Whats next week pencilled as?

 

[CheapCharlie]

For all the: play the kids stuff. Barbone or two, the kids have been pretty shit for 80% of each match. Hewett, Fox, Florent, Foote, Aliir & Papley hardly lighting the world on fire, and still contributing much less than the maligned senior players (who have been pretty shit)

There is a bit of truth in this.

We are seeing the young players do a few good things and raving about it....ignoring that the senior players are doing twice as many good things