Toast Tasmania Officially Entering the Competition :tasmania:

[lionbear]

They have? I think it's more due to the romanticism of having a club from a traditional footy state and an emotional guilt trip and manipulation from Tasmanians (many living outside Tasmania lol) claiming that they deserve a team than any actual sound business analysis.


This is what Google AI returned:



Key drivers of growth

• • International migration:
    This is the primary driver of population growth, as net overseas migration has been consistently positive since the September quarter of 2021.
  • Interstate migration:
    Tasmania is currently experiencing a net interstate migration outflow, meaning more people are leaving for other states than are arriving from them.
  • Natural increase:
    The number of births minus deaths, known as natural increase, has been decreasing due to a declining fertility rate and an ageing population. It is projected to become negative in the early 2030s.

It's no secret that a significant amount of Tassie born young adults end up leaving the island.

If Tassie can succeed good on them but I think they have an uphill battle convincing any genuinely talented young player to stay long term in Tasmania when they can play in Melbourne along with the opportunity to sign lucrative financial deals in a large mainland city. Many posters in this thread can attest to that, revealing that they themselves are former Tasmanians currently living in the mainland or elsewhere.

This actually gives more of an argument for starting a team in Tassie not ignoring it, perhaps building the stadium gives:

- People in Hobart a World class stadium to go to and watch AFL and maybe stay in Tassie happily employed.

- AC/DC currently touring Australia, may have considered playing at the venue if it was 2029 instead of 2025.

- The potential to push for more international cricket.

If it is projected natural increase will become neagtive in 2030, perhaps this might help stop or at least slow that from happening.

 

[Viceregal]

Ah so it is a permanent roof not a retractable one like at Docklands?

Will they be playing cricket there as well or just the footy?

With whatever stadium deal they get (I am guessing the club won't own the stadium outright) how many fans will need to be there for them to break even?

 

[Philhawk]

Judgement is out on that one. I can't believe there are posters here complaining about a stadium when in reality there's no sound business case for a Tassie team at all and Tasmanians should be eternally grateful that all it took was a new stadium with a roof built mostly from taxes paid by mainland residents.

Wouldn't have any issue if Tassie economy was relatively healthy and they had a significant percentage of their young population not absconding to greener pastures in the mainland the moment they turned 18. If your average young Tassie citizen doesn't wanna live in Tassie, good luck convincing wealthy young athletes who are used the night life of one of the most cosmopolitan cities in the Southern Hemisphere to do so.

A Geelong fan trying to punch down about other people’s taxes being used to fund a stadium?

 

[RedmanWasHere]

In the week of game 1, there should be plenty of activities planned for it.

 

[HairyO]

In 3 years this will be an international joke when the half built stadium will have burned through the capped Fed money, capped AFL money and capped Tassie money and noone will be willing to pour any more money into the white elephant.

 

[HairyO]

Judgement is out on that one. I can't believe there are posters here complaining about a stadium when in reality there's no sound business case for a Tassie team at all and Tasmanians should be eternally grateful that all it took was a new stadium with a roof built mostly from taxes paid by mainland residents.

Wouldn't have any issue if Tassie economy was relatively healthy and they had a significant percentage of their young population not absconding to greener pastures in the mainland the moment they turned 18. If your average young Tassie citizen doesn't wanna live in Tassie, good luck convincing wealthy young athletes who are used the night life of one of the most cosmopolitan cities in the Southern Hemisphere to do so.

VIC taxpayers have spent $500m on your peanut shaped shithole of a ground. All to retain 2 safe Labor seats.

Mainland is paying **** all for the Tassie stadium. The decades of unrelenting debt payments will be on Tasmania to fund. Unless they go bankrupt like VIC and QLD have done under Labor govs and the whole country has to bail them out.

 

[RUNVS]

A Geelong fan trying to punch down about other people’s taxes being used to fund a stadium?

I don't actually know much about Geelong's economy other than the fact that they used to have a Ford factory there, but these days I imagine most people who live in Geelong are farmers, the girls all wearing long dresses, the men in beige vests and shorts while both genders milk cows all day, hoping that the red coats don't come around and lock them in the stockaids for being drunk.

 

[Toump Ass]

Imagine spending your entire life working towards an AFL career and then having to move to ****ing Hobart LMAO.

 

[RUNVS]

Imagine spending your entire life working towards an AFL career and then having to move to ****ing Hobart LMAO.

You joke but this is an issue. I suspect player retention might be a challenge for Tasmania as how many men in their early 20's, interested in going to parties and dating are going to want to live in Tasmania?

 

[Orfullrules]

Imagine spending your entire life working towards an AFL career and then having to move to ****ing Hobart LMAO.

As opposed to?

 

[Orfullrules]

You joke but this is an issue. I suspect player retention might be a challenge for Tasmania as how many men in their early 20's, interested in going to parties and dating are going to want to live in Tasmania?

No parties or dating in Hobart.

 

[RUNVS]

No parties or dating in Hobart.

It isn't exactly a massive pool of women.

Also because the population is so small I doubt there are too many clubs to go to at night.

 

[Professor Knowall]

You joke but this is an issue. I suspect player retention might be a challenge for Tasmania as how many men in their early 20's, interested in going to parties and dating are going to want to live in Tasmania?

You may be in a demographic that might be surprised as to how many AFL players in their early 20's and beyond don't actually go out partying these days, or very rarely. The glory days of AFL party legends (like Dane Swan) has long receded.

 

[Professor Knowall]

I don't actually know much about Geelong's economy other than the fact that they used to have a Ford factory there, but these days I imagine most people who live in Geelong are farmers, the girls all wearing long dresses, the men in beige vests and shorts while both genders milk cows all day, hoping that the red coats don't come around and lock them in the stockaids for being drunk.

Half right - not all people who live in Geelong are farmers - however, it's universally known that all Geelong players suddenly have a country estate and manor from the moment they sign.

 

[RUNVS]

You may be in a demographic that might be surprised as to how many AFL players in their early 20's and beyond don't actually go out partying these days, or very rarely. The glory days of AFL party legends (like Dane Swan) has long receded.

Even if they don't like to go to parties, what if they like going to museums, or even enjoy going surfing, what if they enjoy going to the ballet or even enjoy racing cars.

All of these things are harder to do in Tasmania than they are in any other state.

 

[RUNVS]

Half right - not all people who live in Geelong are farmers - however, it's universally known that all Geelong players suddenly have a country estate and manor from the moment they sign.

Yep, but there is nothing suspicious about it, well according to the AFL anyway who would not exactly benefit from anything suspicious being revealled.

 

[The Terrible Thinker]

however, it's universally known that all Geelong players suddenly have a country estate and manor from the moment they sign.

Not all players, just the ones they poach from other clubs for a bag of chips.

 

[Professor Knowall]

Even if they don't like to go to parties, what if they like going to museums, or even enjoy going surfing, what if they enjoy going to the ballet or even enjoy racing cars.

All of these things are harder to do in Tasmania than they are in any other state.

Tassie has surfing and car racing venues well covered - but, yes, I'll concede on ballet - that would be harder.

 

[RUNVS]

Tassie has surfing and car racing venues well covered - but, yes, I'll concede on ballet - that would be harder.

I can't imagine surfing is as nice in Tasmania as it is anywhere else, mostly due to the temperature.

 

[Toump Ass]

As opposed to?

Somewhere that's not a cultural ****ing wasteland.

 

[Professor Knowall]

I can't imagine surfing is as nice in Tasmania as it is anywhere else, mostly due to the temperature.

You'll be surprised. The west coast, especially Shipstern Bay, attracts big-wave surfers from around the world, while the East Coast has the current that flows down from QLD, so the summer water temperature is quite mild and conditions are great for your everyday or lesser experienced surfers. Tassie beaches in summer are actually really nice most of the time.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Whilst I agree they shouldn't be spending the money they can't afford, I have to clarify that Bellerive is a cesspit.

York Park is way better but neither stadium should be hosting night games. It gets to -2 at 7pm sometimes

You can pick the people who have never been to Hobart by those that think the club would be a success at Bellerive.

Middle of nowhere suburb

Impossible to get to and get home from

Absolutely nothing surrounding it but houses

But after the novelty of the new club wears off, apparently people would still be flocking there at night in negative temperatures and rain… when they can just watch the game with their feet up on the couch.

The new club is a dicey long term proposition anyway, it needs absolutely everything going for it. Including a well located, new stadium.

 

[bzparkes]

You can pick the people who have never been to Hobart by those that think the club would be a success at Bellerive.

Middle of nowhere suburb

Impossible to get to and get home from

Absolutely nothing surrounding it but houses

But after the novelty of the new club wears off, apparently people would still be flocking there at night in negative temperatures and rain… when they can just watch the game with their feet up on the couch.

The new club is a dicey long term proposition anyway, it needs absolutely everything going for it. Including a well located, new stadium.

Yep. I grew up in Tasmania, although in the North. Night games there are bad enough but Bellerive isn't that great even during the day. A slight breeze and it's an unpleasant ground to be at and that's during the daytime.