Taylor walker

[WALL-e]

I found it interesting that the "journo" wrote that
"...under trade week rules, clubs do not need a player's consent to swap him for another player or draft pick."
I was under the impression if a player was contracted he needed to agree to a trade.

The player must ultimately agree to the trade, contracted or not, but ESPECIALLY when contracted.

They can't be forced to sign a new deal if delt to another team, and I'm under the impression that they have to before the deal can be finalised, for SC purposes.

When contracted, yes the player must agree, at least that's my understanding. It's also harder to do and SC comes into play big.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

I found it interesting that the "journo" wrote that
"...under trade week rules, clubs do not need a player's consent to swap him for another player or draft pick."
I was under the impression if a player was contracted he needed to agree to a trade.

absolutely correct both players and clubs need to agree to the trade as soon as I read that the article lost all credibility

unfortunately jurno's can write any trash as long as they quote an unnamed source or official

bottom line is Walker is contracted for another 2 years and he is going nowhere and by the time his contract is up for renewal he will be a very important fixture in our side

 

[amer]

BAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Most ridiculous article in the history of football! We might be tempted to trade the most gifted player to come through the club in about 12 years for fricking RUCK DEPTH?! Laughable! Embarrassing article.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

surprise surprise that the Jurno mentions Essendon and the Pies as wouldn't these be obvious clubs in the market for a forward with the retirement of Lucas and the potential retirement of Llyod and Rocca

 

[Bockchoy67]

We can't afford to get rid of Walker, let alone contemplate trading him.Taylor will be huge part of our future.

 

[TheGriff6]

As stupid as the article is i wouldnt be suprised if NC actually traded Walker i get the feeling he dosnt rate Walker that highly and would rather have a quality ruckmen

If all these players leave that are rumored to all our good recruting would of been for nothing

 

[crowman86]

Yeah NC will trade a player "who you lie awake at night dreaming off" for a ruckman... Give me a break. This thread needs to be locked down.

 

[latinoheat]

Yeah NC will trade a player "who you lie awake at night dreaming off" for a ruckman... Give me a break. This thread needs to be locked down.

seconded

 

[Stiffy_18]

As stupid as the article is i wouldnt be suprised if NC actually traded Walker i get the feeling he dosnt rate Walker that highly and would rather have a quality ruckmen

If all these players leave that are rumored to all our good recruting would of been for nothing

I think you will find that Craig has his ruckman in McKernan.

The game still needs a ruckman but he also needs to be a runner and an extra midfielder.

This is where McKernan comes in. At 196 cm he is a bit short to be a ruckman. However, he is very athletic and have a massive leap. If I was to put money on our ruck duo for round 1 2010, I am putting it on McKernan - Moran.

Craig loves the flexibility and he wants his ruckman to be players once the ball hits the ground. McKernan can play in the ruck, as a forward or as a defender. Same goes for Moran. This is Craig's dream.

McKernan is 18 and its not our of the question that he might have grown a couple of cms which brings him to a good ruckman height.

With his leap, and athletic ability (and he has the body that will fill out very nicely), there is no reason why he cannot be as good a ruckman as Jeff White or his brother Corey.

Ideally, you would want a 200+ cm athletic giant but the way the league has gone this year, I think we will see a lot more of the shorter, athletic ruckman that play as an extra midfielder. Ryder, Clark, Brennan, Sellar etc... a lot of team are going in with a shorter athletic rucks.

If as AFC suggest they want Davis and Walker to be developed as forwards, you just can't fit all of Tippett, Walker, Davis and McKernan in the same forward line.

I think McKernan will play quite a few games for us next year as a ruckman. Once he fills out his frame he will be a monster.

 

[Bockchoy67]

Stiffy, where do you expect Sellar and Maric to fit in Craig's plans? Backup ruckmen?

 

[latinoheat]

great post stiffy. Altho i thought Maric played well last night, fought, scrapped and ran real well. I would have him as our lead ruckman still.

 

[Stiffy_18]

great post stiffy. Altho i thought Maric played well last night, fought, scrapped and ran real well. I would have him as our lead ruckman still.

Big Ivan has had an interesting year. I have a soft spot for him. Love his passion and intensity but really he is limited in his upside. He struggles in the centre square because he is not a leaper. However, in the ruck contests around the ground he is our best ruckman. He uses his strength well and has good body work.

Craig has made a comment many times that Ivan struggles in the centre square and I get the feeling that he played all these games this year because of lack of other options. IMHO, he has had some good games, some great games, some forgetable games but overall, I still think he had a better season last year that this year. He had more of an impact especially in field play. He was taking strong marks, firing our handballs from packs and bobbing up here and there for a goal.

This year, IMHO hasn't been as effective. If we could combine Ivan's passions and willingness to get his knees dirty with Griffin's size and athletic ability would would almost have Dean Cox on our hands

On Sellar, I think the club has him pencilled in as a key defender that can ruck a bit. He was really a ruckman by neccassity this year. Earlier in the year he was an emergency when ever Rutten was in doubt. I still think long term they see him as a KPP who can ruck a bit.

I still think going into next season the 2 ruck spots in the team will be up for grabs and the 2 players that have the best PS out of Maric, Moran, Griffin, Sellar and McKernan will get a shot. No one has the ruck spot stitched up. Not by a long shot.

 

[amer]

Agreed Stiffy, McKernan is a ripping prospect and his quality was immediately obvious against Richmond. Still in disbelief at the quality of tall timber we have assembled in quick time. Sets us up beautifully for the years ahead.

 

[moogerfooger]

Taylor Walker isn't going anywhere. He is a classic case of a gifted junior footballer who hasn't yet learned to work as hard as is required at AFL level. He needs more development in all facets - fitness, body strength, mental application. He has all the natural ability in the world but has never had to work for it before.

If other clubs want to confuse that with Craig not wanting him at the club that's their call but I believe it's nothing more than wishful thinking on their part.

Another preseason will make a huge difference IMO.

 

[Johnson#26]

Not sure where he'd fit into our side anyway. Dawes is on the up, and Rusling's still very much in the frame for 2010.

 

[WALL-e]

Yeah NC will trade a player "who you lie awake at night dreaming off" for a ruckman... Give me a break. This thread needs to be locked down.

Best NC interview I've heard. He was being dead serious about the absolute FREAK he could be.

I think you will find that Craig has his ruckman in McKernan.

The game still needs a ruckman but he also needs to be a runner and an extra midfielder.

This is where McKernan comes in. At 196 cm he is a bit short to be a ruckman. However, he is very athletic and have a massive leap. If I was to put money on our ruck duo for round 1 2010, I am putting it on McKernan - Moran.

Craig loves the flexibility and he wants his ruckman to be players once the ball hits the ground. McKernan can play in the ruck, as a forward or as a defender. Same goes for Moran. This is Craig's dream.

McKernan is 18 and its not our of the question that he might have grown a couple of cms which brings him to a good ruckman height.

With his leap, and athletic ability (and he has the body that will fill out very nicely), there is no reason why he cannot be as good a ruckman as Jeff White or his brother Corey.

Ideally, you would want a 200+ cm athletic giant but the way the league has gone this year, I think we will see a lot more of the shorter, athletic ruckman that play as an extra midfielder. Ryder, Clark, Brennan, Sellar etc... a lot of team are going in with a shorter athletic rucks.

If as AFC suggest they want Davis and Walker to be developed as forwards, you just can't fit all of Tippett, Walker, Davis and McKernan in the same forward line.

I think McKernan will play quite a few games for us next year as a ruckman. Once he fills out his frame he will be a monster.

Yes!
Moran and McKernan to split the ruck and to help out forward or back when needed.

 

[Good Win]

If the AFC trades Walker I too will hand in my membership.

Just think about are future forwardline.

Tippett at full forward

Walker playing CHF (once he's filled out a bit more) as a lead up forward Riewoldt style.

Porplyzia in a pocket.

Knights on a flank.

+ Throw in names like Thompson and McKernan

In a couple of years we could have one of the best forward lines EVER.

 

[James23]

i dont think walker has what it takes to be a CHF, he's a lead up full forward through and through IMO

 

[Mismatched]

I think you will find that Craig has his ruckman in McKernan.

The game still needs a ruckman but he also needs to be a runner and an extra midfielder.

This is where McKernan comes in. At 196 cm he is a bit short to be a ruckman. However, he is very athletic and have a massive leap. If I was to put money on our ruck duo for round 1 2010, I am putting it on McKernan - Moran.

Craig loves the flexibility and he wants his ruckman to be players once the ball hits the ground. McKernan can play in the ruck, as a forward or as a defender. Same goes for Moran. This is Craig's dream.

McKernan is 18 and its not our of the question that he might have grown a couple of cms which brings him to a good ruckman height.

With his leap, and athletic ability (and he has the body that will fill out very nicely), there is no reason why he cannot be as good a ruckman as Jeff White or his brother Corey.

Ideally, you would want a 200+ cm athletic giant but the way the league has gone this year, I think we will see a lot more of the shorter, athletic ruckman that play as an extra midfielder. Ryder, Clark, Brennan, Sellar etc... a lot of team are going in with a shorter athletic rucks.

If as AFC suggest they want Davis and Walker to be developed as forwards, you just can't fit all of Tippett, Walker, Davis and McKernan in the same forward line.

I think McKernan will play quite a few games for us next year as a ruckman. Once he fills out his frame he will be a monster.

Great post Stiffy Have heard from a couple of different people in the recruiting/scouting fraternity, that McKernan will be a gun ruckman, no if's or buts about it. It'll be interesting to see how we look in terms of a ruck division going into next year.

As stupid as the article is i wouldnt be suprised if NC actually traded Walker i get the feeling he dosnt rate Walker that highly and would rather have a quality ruckmen

If all these players leave that are rumored to all our good recruting would of been for nothing

Oh please, our ruck "problems" have been completely blown out of the water by a media too lazy to actually form opinions of their own and instead just labling our ruck division as weak because it's made up of no-names and unfashionable ruckman. Funnily enough, according to Pro-Stats, before the Collingwood game, our ruck division had had 207 more hit outs than our opposition, an average of 9 more hitouts a game.

I think NC is more than happy with our ruck stocks, its the media who have been massively overplaying our ruck weakness that seem to think we must get one. As Stiffy has highlighted, I think we have plenty of quality up and coming ruckman who are only now entering the age that ruckman generally tend to mature. Walker will not be traded, give him another preseason to put on the necessary bulk, develop his engine and become more comfortable with our game plan, along with Craigy giving him(as he does with all 2nd year players) more gametime, I believe he will have a similar break out year to Tippetts this year. Just look what Tippett did this year after kicking only 17 goals from 19 games last year, Walker kicked 23 from 14, along with another 30 odd at SANFL level.

 

[Mismatched]

i dont think walker has what it takes to be a CHF, he's a lead up full forward through and through IMO

Agree with the first bit, I think Davis will develop into that Riewoldt style, leadup CHF for us, with Walker playing more of a floating 3rd tall type role, working off the taller Tippett and Davis.

 

[aneale]

Not sure where he'd fit into our side anyway. Dawes is on the up, and Rusling's still very much in the frame for 2010.

Here we go, Seriously don't be talking up Rusling to a bunch of South Australians. Rusling is a one trick pony, good on the lead that's it. Can't do anything else, no second effort, not good when the ball hits the ground or he needs to play on, he is a lead, mark, kick player always has been always will be. Take away the fact that he is chronically injury prone.

I know you blokes want to offload him but neither Port or Adelaide would touch him with a 10ft pole whilst talking him up to be in the 'frame'.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

not to mention everytime Rusling coughs he pops a shoulder

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Yeah NC will trade a player "who you lie awake at night dreaming off" for a ruckman... Give me a break. This thread needs to be locked down.

Yeah NC will drop a player "who you lie awake at night dreaming of"... give me a break.

Well he has.

We should trade Walker. He'd be playing regular AFL footy at every other club in the competition. Clearly we don't rate what he does as highly as others do, so we should trade him. We'd get a top five pick surely and we could use it on a more disciplined footballer who chases and has better second and third efforts. Since these qualities are obviously the most important things in football.

 

[Dogga79]

Yeah NC will drop a player "who you lie awake at night dreaming of"... give me a break.

Well he has.

We should trade Walker. He'd be playing regular AFL footy at every other club in the competition. Clearly we don't rate what he does as highly as others do, so we should trade him. We'd get a top five pick surely and we could use it on a more disciplined footballer who chases and has better second and third efforts. Since these qualities are obviously the most important things in football.

Sorry Carl, I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic or not so disregard if I am off the mark.

Giving games on potential performance not current form leads to a culture similar to the one down the road. Encouraging bad behaviour and performance leads to more of the same. I like the fact that our players have to earn their spot. It will all pay off, you'll see.

 

[Mismatched]

Yeah NC will drop a player "who you lie awake at night dreaming of"... give me a break.

Well he has.

We should trade Walker. He'd be playing regular AFL footy at every other club in the competition. Clearly we don't rate what he does as highly as others do, so we should trade him. We'd get a top five pick surely and we could use it on a more disciplined footballer who chases and has better second and third efforts. Since these qualities are obviously the most important things in football.

Funnily enough, I really don't think these were the issues NC had with Walker. It was more that he wasn't winning/finding his own ball, he was relying too much on it to be delivered on a silver platter. The game before he was dropped he had something like 7 tackles, but only 2 possessions, his 2-3 games prior (besides a 5 goal half against the Hawks) weren't much better. As a key forward, his output was just not up to scratch and no matter your talent, I don't believe that you should have a gold pass, unlike last year with Tippett, we had better options ie McKernan(who Walker was initially dropped for) and then Hentschel/Burton coming into finals, as well as Davis pressing too.

This bloke will be back next year, I have no doubt and injuries permitting, I think he'll play all 22 games, kicking 50+ goals. The bloke is a prodigious talent and with another preseason under his belt to learn the game plan, bulk up a bit etc. he should be more than ready to have a Tippett like break out year.