Mega Thread The 2016 Buckley Coaching Discussion

[CFC2010]

If people don't think we have changed the way we are playing since the Calton game then they are delusional.

Eddie said we needed to change and we have.....for the BETTER!

How many games have you seen live Mame if you don't mind me asking?

 

[Mame]

If people don't think we have changed the way we are playing since the Calton game then they are delusional.

Eddie said we needed to change and we have.....for the BETTER!

How many games have you seen live Mame if you don't mind me asking?

The change in the way we play is not at issue. It's obvious we have.

Thousands.

 

[CFC2010]

The change in the way we play is not at issue. It's obvious we have.

Thousands.

Sorry I meant this years games.

It doesn't matter because you have acknowledged we have changed our game style

Bucks has to be applauded that he made the change.....because the first 7 rounds were torture!

 

[loki04]

I'd trust posters in here before I trust the words of commentators re man on man etc. The commentators often guess. Having said that, people who go to the game may think that they are seeing a man on man gameplan but it may not be.

They showed footage on it with David King last week against the lions at half time, even had the spot lights on pies players showing starting points and how we were forming our box around the person receiving the ball and collapsing in around him.
We are 100% still zoning, we are just doing it correctly.

 

[CFC2010]

They showed footage on it with David King last week against the lions at half time, even had the spot lights on pies players showing starting points and how we were forming our box around the person receiving the ball and collapsing in around him.
We are 100% still zoning, we are just doing it correctly.

Did you go today?

 

[Buckley is my hero]

Sorry I meant this years games.

It doesn't matter because you have acknowledged we have changed our game style

Bucks has to be applauded that he made the change.....because the first 7 rounds were torture!

It's not the game plan that's changed. It's the accountability of the team that's changed. Just sorry you don't see it - you prefer to label the players a constant and the coach is a variability. You should see the players as human beings - the coach isn't always the determining factor in how they play. Injuries play their part as well.

 

[loki04]

Yes but Lyon had just arrived. Bucks is in his 5th year. Have a look at some posts from last week about the change to a man on man defensive structure. I read some posts above saying this is how we went with Geelong. Am I wrong? I didn't see the game so if you did then I'll take your word for it. Were the defenders playing off the shoulder of their man or 10-15 m away in a defensive zone.. it's an easy thing to spot on match day. So what did you see?? you obviously saw it right...
I don't get how a whole playing list (which is basically what we've used so far) can all be unable to follow instructions? Is it the 36 players fault or the coaches fault? I mean other teams seem to be able to achieve this with their players.. what is the difference for us if it's not down to coaching? Are our players thick? Is the gameplan too complicated and requires 5 years to learn? If so why wasn't it simplified to something they can learn in a pre season?
It is a shared responsibility between players and coaches and what I was saying was that I hope that the players and coach have got on the same page now.. because I think they very clearly weren't for the first 7 weeks.

It's not 5 years though is it?

5 years assumes the list has stayed relatively static with minimal changes.

This list rebuild is 3rd year in, of which 2 of those draft years have been decimated by injury or gone, people say he has his team now win a flag but fail to think that his team is young and need time to gel, learn and grow (physically and mentally).

Any expectation for a flag this year was silly and really our time is still 2 years off.


BTW we are not playing soley man on man, we still zone, defenders are playing tighter, there has been tweaks made but not an overhaul.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

There's an interesting phenomenon going on.
We win coach looks far better!

Who would have thunk it?

 

[CFC2010]

It's not the game plan that's changed. It's the accountability of the team that's changed. Just sorry you don't see it - you prefer to label the players a constant and the coach is a variability. You should see the players as human beings - the coach isn't always the determining factor in how they play. Injuries play their part as well.

Did you go to the game?

 

[loki04]

Did you go today?

No but you can see on TV we are still collapsing in like we did vs lions getting a lot of numbers to the contest including when geelong look down the line.

There were shots looking down the wing when geelong had it on HB and we had players loose in zonal positions.

There is a zone it is just being implemented correctly and has obviously been tweaked to better effect.

 

[Collingwooditis]

If Bucks & the coaching staff have taken a battering due to our form & style of play, then they also need to get the plaudits for a an outstanding performance.

How do you figure? I still absolutely believe that Buckley is not a coach, what today proved, and what I've always said, is that our list is among the best and can beat anyone at all when they're fully confident! How many times did you hear that word from the commentators today? "Collingwood are full of confidence!" I've been banging on about it until my fingers are hoarse, All we need is confidence and fewer injuries. today we had confidence up the wazoo, and played incredibly despite the longest injury list in the game. What did Bucks and his boys do to cause todays results?

That said, if we're playing as I know we can, I don't care if Macavaney's Mum is coaching!

 

[CFC2010]

No but you can see on TV we are still collapsing in like we did vs lions getting a lot of numbers to the contest including when geelong look down the line.

There were shots looking down the wing when geelong had it on HB and we had players loose in zonal positions.

There is a zone it is just being implemented correctly and has obviously been tweaked to better effect.

I thought so.

How many games have you watched live?

 

[Buckley is my hero]

It's not 5 years though is it?

5 years assumes the list has stayed relatively static with minimal changes.

This list rebuild is 3rd year in, of which 2 of those draft years have been decimated by injury or gone, people say he has his team now win a flag but fail to think that his team is young and need time to gel, learn and grow (physically and mentally).

Any expectation for a flag this year was silly and really our time is still 2 years off.


BTW we are not playing man on man, we still zone, defenders are playing tighter, there has been tweaks made but not an overhaul.

The key word here is tweak. We haven't overhauled our game plan but we look like a totally different side because we're playing more confidently.

 

[loki04]

I thought so.

How many games have you watched live?

Only the 1 this year.

I know where you are going with this but given the behind the goals footage, down the line cams, commentators comments, numbers to the ball, you can still see the zone in play on the big screen.

Man on man may well be used in other fazes/times that is less noticeable on TV but we have not scrapped the zone like people are arguing.

Seems Apex summed it up both tactics are being employed at different stages/plays.

 

[doodles98]

They showed footage on it with David King last week against the lions at half time, even had the spot lights on pies players showing starting points and how we were forming our box around the person receiving the ball and collapsing in around him.
We are 100% still zoning, we are just doing it correctly.

Are you talking about a rolling midfield zone there perhaps? Because that is not what the discussion has been about. It is about the back 6 defenders no longer playing off their men to zone space. We are still zoning defensively in some set situations.. obviously.. and the mids have their set ups.. but last week the back 6 were not zoning at all in general defensive play. I watched the back 6 very closely and they did not zone off their players like they have been doing, they stood by their shoulder and tried to go with them at f50 entries. They only zoned for kick ins and when setting up for forward presses. At defensive stoppages, the mids and forwards came down and zoned space.. the backs stayed on their man and followed their man around. I watched it the whole game and have said it 50 times now... we changed our defensive tactics significantly against Brisbane in this respect. By definition.. if you are guarding your man as a defender and following him around you cannot be zoning. Didn't see the Geelong game so don't know if it was the same.

 

[Roverjg]

No but you can see on TV we are still collapsing in like we did vs lions getting a lot of numbers to the contest including when geelong look down the line.

There were shots looking down the wing when geelong had it on HB and we had players loose in zonal positions.

There is a zone it is just being implemented correctly and has obviously been tweaked to better effect.

I went to today's game. You are right, in that we are still applying the zone but We ARE now applying it correctly. I don't know if it was last week or the week or two before but David King on FOXTEL showed how we were setting up our zone and showed us in comparison to Geelong, Hawks or Swans (I can't remember which team it was now) and highligted how we were standing in the wrong positions. The coaches must have been watching too because in the past two weeks the players have set up in the correct positions as highlighted by King.

 

[CFC2010]

Only the 1 this year.

I know where you are going with this but given the behind the goals footage, down the line cams, commentators comments, numbers to the ball, you can still see the zone in play on the big screen.

Man on man may well be used in other fazes/times that is less noticeable on TV but we have not scrapped the zone like people are arguing.

Seems Apex summed it up both tactics are being employed at different stages/plays.

Thanks for the synopsis David King
much appreciated.

Last week I asked doodles98 how we played. Why? Because he was at the game.

I have been to seven game this year. When I say the first seven rounds were pathetic I meant it.

But Bucks has seen the light and made the change. That is a good thing and you should accept that.

Don't make excuses for Bucks and try and defend him. He is a big boy now.

A good coach makes changes and he has.....I hope we have turned the corner.

 

[loki04]

I went to today's game. You are right, in that we are still applying the zone but We ARE now applying it correctly. I don't know if it was last week or the week or two before but David King on FOXTEL showed how we were setting up our zone and showed us in comparison to Geelong, Hawks or Swans (I can't remember which team it was now) and highligted how we were standing in the wrong positions. The coaches must have been watching too because in the past two weeks the players have set up in the correct positions as highlighted by King.

Yeah he highlighted it when we were poorly doing ita few weeks back and then again last week in showing how we were doing it well now.

 

[loki04]

Thanks for the synopsis David King
much appreciated.

Last week I asked doodles98 how we played. Why? Because he was at the game.

I have been to seven game this year. When I say the first seven rounds were pathetic I meant it.

But Bucks has seen the light and made the change. That is a good thing and you should accept that.

Don't make excuses for Bucks and try and defend him. He is a big boy now.

A good coach makes changes and he has.....I hope we have turned the corner.

I didn't say he hasn't made changes I was simply arguing that people stating we have scrapped the zone and gone purely man on man is bullshit.

I don't need to be at a LIVE game to see the zone in effect either. Obviously you miss stuff on Tv that you can see live but even on TV you can see we are still using a zone.

 

[CFC2010]

I didn't say he hasn't made changes I was simply arguing that people stating we have scrapped the zone and gone purely man on man is bullshit.

I don't need to be at a LIVE game to see the zone in effect either. Obviously you miss stuff on Tv that you can see live but even on TV you can see we are still using a zone.

Look loki we are going to agree to disagree.

The way we are playing in the last two weeks is chalk & cheese to the first seven rounds.....for the better.

 

[Winston_Smith]

Three things have changed since the Carlton game:

We are playing zone defence correctly by zoning closer to the opposition targets, not the mid-point between.
We are playing on with confidence at every viable opportunity.
We are providing pressure and maximum effort for four quarters.

Suddenly our list looks like the future stars they have been touted as.

My confidence in Bucks and the coaching team has wavered this year, but today made me certain it is the players who have been the problem, not the coaches.

F*** Geelong. F*** Clangerfield. F*****G GO PIES!

 

[Markfs]

So bucks young son a man city supporter I though he would have a Collingwood top

I think most of us of the younger brigade have several teams that we follow. I follow the Sydney lumberjacks in the big bash and the Liverpool sewerage compacters in the world darts league. Sometimes its a hard choice which channel to watch on fox...

 

[TradeDraft]

Looks like Bucks made some Big Changes after the loss to the Blues.

He finally realised how we where playing was not good enough and Gameplan needed changes which he made

 

[Mame]

Look loki we are going to agree to disagree.

The way we are playing in the last two weeks is chalk & cheese to the first seven rounds.....for the better.

So you think we have scrapped the zone and gone purely man on man? Am I reading that right?

 

[10571z]

Next 5 games are huge. We could win 5 if play like we did today. Bulldogs super tough but at the mcg are an easier opponent