Mega Thread The 2017 'Buckley's Chances' Thread

[doodles98]

I'm aware of Libba's strengths - that doesn't mean that 3 players who all play in pretty much the same position on the ground should have less tackles (it's not even close) barely more pressure acts and significantly less pressure points than one player, even if that player excels in those fields.

You can say we won the midfield battle in terms of sheer numbers - but we lost the match because we were outworked ultimately and we had no answers for the Bulldogs gut running and pace over the top.

All three of those guys are obviously quality players, but whilst they all rack up plenty of possessions, it doesn't always amount to scoreboard pressure or wins. Considering we've spent the majority of time trailing our opposition for the past three/four seasons, we should have plenty of opportunities to tackle!

Stats from last week's game
Tackles: Libya 16, vs jack 3, Parker 6, hannebury 7; (16).
So using Libya as the barometer, we now have a case to say that the swans lost because their mids were lazy and didn't tackle enough... According to this logic.

 

[good4footy]

Am I dreaming?

Amazing what Life Membership does to an attitude!

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Great argument from Gerard?
Are you all mad?

Extend for a further 2yrs?
For stability?
Have Ed tie his legacy and presidency and "walk the plank" with him?

My god, how ridiculous.

We extended him already a year or two ago and "back him in". We provided him stability.
It's his 6th year on the job.
Ed has been unequivocal in his support for him to succeed.

No, we do not need to nor do we want to extend any contracts.
It's crunch time.
There's no more "backing".
Results is one thing.
However the style of play and the technically poor footballers we have via skill level- foot and decision making is alarming.

I'm sorry but we have been very patient- board and fans. Weve stayed the course.
We have provided him ample resources to build the list in his mould.
We have also handsomely paid him too- I'm sure to the tune of nothing less than $600k per season- which is way overs to begin with for someone who has achieved little as a coach.

What everyone fails to understand is whilst it's a football decision at the moment, it will eventually also become a commercial one. Attendances are dropping.
The fans are already now starting to voice themselves.

See there's the rub.

Those who are so locked into the opinion Buckley must go will not even countenance a different view point.

And yes, it works the other way too, those that are locked into Nathan (of which I'm one).
What Gerard was saying that was salient, was his judgment that Nathan is not just an average person but his work ethic, his authority, his strength is worth seeing through.
Now I agreed with Gerard on that.

As you don't, fair enough too.

I suspect Nathan will still be coaching us next season, all the same.
I do get things wrong, but that's my reading.

 

[peter9789]

See there's the rub.

Those who are so locked into the opinion Buckley must go will not even countenance a different view point.

And yes, it works the other way too, those that are locked into Nathan (of which I'm one).
What Gerard was saying that was salient, was his judgment that Nathan is not just an average person but his work ethic, his authority, his strength is worth seeing through.
Now I agreed with Gerard on that.

As you don't, fair enough too.

I suspect Nathan will still be coaching us next season, all the same.
I do get things wrong, but that's my reading.

I'm also of this view and support Gerard's assessment. Unlikely to happen though but we can only hope the club has the balls to see it through.

Bigger issue for me is how do we get A grade talent on our list. Not enough talent for me is the greater challenge




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[The Plowking]

See there's the rub.

Those who are so locked into the opinion Buckley must go will not even countenance a different view point.

And yes, it works the other way too, those that are locked into Nathan (of which I'm one).
What Gerard was saying that was salient, was his judgment that Nathan is not just an average person but his work ethic, his authority, his strength is worth seeing through.
Now I agreed with Gerard on that.

As you don't, fair enough too.

I suspect Nathan will still be coaching us next season, all the same.
I do get things wrong, but that's my reading.

Im a Bucks fan too.
Though few would disagree its a make or break season.
I dont expect him to be coaching next season......but hope we click, make the 8 and win a final or 2. Imagine the meltdowns with a 2 year contract extension!!

 

[Saintly Viewed]

I'm also of this view and support Gerard's assessment. Unlikely to happen though but we can only hope the club has the balls to see it through.

Bigger issue for me is how do we get A grade talent on our list. Not enough talent for me is the greater challenge




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Every great side has great talent.

That solves all problems pretty much

 

[BringouttheGimp]

It's quite simple:

Don't let friendship get in the way of making business decisions.

Mcguire broke the golden rule in business. He was infatuated and seduced by Buckley as a player and as a friend/person.. my intuition leads me to believe that the decision to appoint Buckley as a coach was made at a far earlier time than 2010.

The decision was clearly biased to appoint him. And we're the one's suffering for it as a result.

I don't understand why there has never been a 4 page spread on Mcguire's f up. If anyone knows of an article I can read about it.. attach one.

Why the hell is most of the angst centred at Malthouse.. why not bloody turn the attention on Mcguire!

 

[GreekLunatic]

wow its gonna be off the chart if we lose to Sydney the media always need a coach in the gun

 

[PhiloBeddoe]

It's quite simple:

Don't let friendship get in the way of making business decisions.

Mcguire broke the golden rule in business. He was infatuated and seduced by Buckley as a player and as a friend/person.. my intuition leads me to believe that the decision to appoint Buckley as a coach was made at a far earlier time than 2010.

The decision was clearly biased to appoint him. And we're the one's suffering for it as a result.

I don't understand why there has never been a 4 page spread on Mcguire's f up. If anyone knows of an article I can read about it.. attach one.

Why the hell is most of the angst centred at Malthouse.. why not bloody turn the attention on Mcguire!

McGuire and MM were pretty close. In a conversation with MM he said that if in the capacity of president, if he had to choose between a friend and Collingwood, Collingwood wins. From memory, MM said he wasn't real rapt wit that.

 

[PhiloBeddoe]

wow its gonna be off the chart if we lose to Sydney the media always need a coach in the gun

There are a few in the gun already. Obviously Bucks then there's Eade. Add Hardwick who is only a big loss away from attracting more attention and then throw in B Scott at North. North have played some good footy but you know, wins v losses and the fact that he asked questions about the Brisbane job at the end of last year. Poor old Rossy will cop it regardless of his extended contract.
It'll be a smorgasbord of coaches in the shit this year. The media are going to need a fair dose of Gaviscon after the feast.
The star of the meal (quoting MKR foodie tossers) will be Buckley.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

McGuire and MM were pretty close. In a conversation with MM he said that if in the capacity of president, if he had to choose between a friend and Collingwood, Collingwood wins. From memory, MM said he wasn't real rapt wit that.

Mate there are 1 million stories about he said this.. and he said that.. at the end of the day.. the decision to appoint Buckley was done with bias. And when you let bias creep into your decision making.. inevitably the ship will sink.

 

[No SPIN]

It's quite simple:

Don't let friendship get in the way of making business decisions.

Mcguire broke the golden rule in business. He was infatuated and seduced by Buckley as a player and as a friend/person.. my intuition leads me to believe that the decision to appoint Buckley as a coach was made at a far earlier time than 2010.

The decision was clearly biased to appoint him. And we're the one's suffering for it as a result.

I don't understand why there has never been a 4 page spread on Mcguire's f up. If anyone knows of an article I can read about it.. attach one.

Why the hell is most of the angst centred at Malthouse.. why not bloody turn the attention on Mcguire!

MM basically blew up the succession plan - how is ED responsible for MM's actions?

 

[BringouttheGimp]

7 yrs in.. and what has Buckley left behind.. 1 key position player in Moore.. a 2017 Ben Reid not a 2010 Ben Reid.. Reid is quite clearly passed his best.. Grundy with no known noteable back up ruckman.. and these stupid decisions made by Ed and the club to recruit a Canadian to advance our game and receive sponsorship deals and publicity in the States at the detriment of the side.

Really quite a brilliant legacy you've left behind for us to mop up Bucks.

 

[No SPIN]

Mate there are 1 million stories about he said this.. and he said that.. at the end of the day.. the decision to appoint Buckley was done with bias. And when you let bias creep into your decision making.. inevitably the ship will sink.

The decision to appoint MM was also done with bias.
As was the decision to appoint :
ROOS at Melb.
Worsfold at ESS
MM at Carlton
Lyon at FREO
etc etc
Its not as if ED is the only one that has done a bias appointment

The alternative of "going through a process" has had many more failures, NEELD, Watters, MCartney, etc etc.
IF Clarko was available - would you now expect ED to say no because it again would be a 'Bias' call?

 

[BringouttheGimp]

See there's the rub.

Those who are so locked into the opinion Buckley must go will not even countenance a different view point.

And yes, it works the other way too, those that are locked into Nathan (of which I'm one).
What Gerard was saying that was salient, was his judgment that Nathan is not just an average person but his work ethic, his authority, his strength is worth seeing through.
Now I agreed with Gerard on that.

As you don't, fair enough too.

I suspect Nathan will still be coaching us next season, all the same.
I do get things wrong, but that's my reading.

You live in a fantasy world.. there is a higher order above an beyond The Eds of this world that will tap Buckley on the knee and simply say 'it's time to go'.

He won't be coach by years end.

 

[PhiloBeddoe]

Re, that story was reported, think it even came from MM's mouth. Old ground but Bucks came in to be mentored for a couple of years. For whatever reason, didn't quite happen the way it was intended.
Whether that stifled his development or not depends on opinion.
Bias crept into the decision making by some of the players e.g. Buckley not having the locker room for a couple of years. Ever considered that? Just as administrators live and die by biased decision making, so to do the players. A point that is lost in all of this.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

And this cash cow we've created is what defines our club.. it just doesn't feel like Collingwood any more.

The Cash Cow FC has resulted in dysfunction on the pitch.

Bring back Bob Rose.. if you can't win the game at least win the fight. We are the working class. That's what defines our club.. not the greedy cash cow it's become.

 

[swoop42]

No coach of any football side should be retained if they miss 4 consecutive years of finals.

To me that's a pattern of evidence showing that change is required.

It's finals or bye bye Buckley for me.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

You live in a fantasy world.. there is a higher order above an beyond The Eds of this world that will tap Buckley on the knee and simply say 'it's time to go'.

He won't be coach by years end.

We agree to disagree, though I don't discuss your world situation fantasy or not.
But cheers the coloured unicorns are doing well

 

[BringouttheGimp]

The Grundy goal to win us the game last yr v Richmond.. have a look at Cloke's reaction.

The only player that didn't have a sick attack

I'm also of this view and support Gerard's assessment. Unlikely to happen though but we can only hope the club has the balls to see it through.

Bigger issue for me is how do we get A grade talent on our list. Not enough talent for me is the greater challenge




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A Grade Key Position backman.. or bloody 2 of em.. i just think Reid is well past his best.

If someone on our list can just come out of the blue and play a KPB role and at a good standard.. please bloody step f forward!!!!

 

[Lockyer24]

I'm not sold on Bucks and am in the sack camp, but I thought Whately made an impressive case. I don't think he will be sacked midseason, but for him to coach next season we need to see something soon to confirm we are on track.

I can't give a tick to any of these yet:
- prove he can adequately coach defensively
- develop young players
- get a consistent effort from players week to week



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[10571z]

I'm not sold on Bucks and am in the sack camp, but I thought Whately made an impressive case. I don't think he will be sacked midseason, but for him to coach next season we need to see something soon to confirm we are on track.

I can't give a tick to any of these yet:
- prove he can adequately coach defensively
- develop young players
- get a consistent effort from players week to week



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Really i thought Watley spoke absolute dribble and signing a coach who has gone backwards every year and looks like this year wont be any different is idiotic at best.

I haven't seen anything personally that says to me Bucks can coach this team deep into finals. Other new coaches such as Bevridge gave that impression very quickly at their new club.

 

[Prince27]

Resign Tony Armstrong. Problem Solved.

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

2 years ago we extended Buckley's contract by 1 year for 'stability'.

He was meant to come out of contract last season.
So where has that gotten us? The media scrutiny will always be there regardless of how many years left on the head coach contract if the team is not winning games.

Ross Lyon is currently copping this. Buckley the same and it is both warranted. The respective game plans just isn't holding up.

If Bucks still can't get a game plan right in his 6th year, then he is never going to get it right. You also have to ask yourself why can coaches like Luke Beveridge, Adam Simpson, Alan Richardson can transform how their team can play from their predeceasor in 1 offseason but Bucks has had 6 years and he is still struggling to get the best from the players?

 

[mike123]

Resign Tony Armstrong. Problem Solved.

We already did that