Mega Thread The 2017 'Buckley's Chances' Thread

[Black_White]

We should be interviewing Dew, Caracella, Ratten, Lloyd, Bassett, Nicks, Camporeale

We ain't interviewing squat.
Because the decisions been made.
And it doesn't involve interviews.

 

[ksardog]

Anyone else hear that Buckley was offered a year extension but he wants 2 years? Thats the delay in announcement

I dont think i could cope with that if its true

 

[Help My Club]

love it

Crack open the Dom 1955.

Don't think it will happen though.

Could Dew take the role with Roos being involved from January - October? Why not?

 

[Help My Club]

Anyone else hear that Buckley was offered a year extension but he wants 2 years? Thats the delay in announcement

I dont think i could cope with that if its true

I have heard that. I view that as a positive as a 1 year extension offer suggests to me that they have little or no confidence in him anymore. I understand why Buckley wouldn't accept it - more of the same media scrutiny. What I don't understand is why Buckley wouldn't see it for what it is and quietly and honorably walk away into the sunset. Doesn't he get it?

 

[ksardog]

I have heard that. I view that as a positive as a 1 year extension offer suggests to me that they have little or no confidence in him anymore. I understand why Buckley wouldn't accept it - more of the same media scrutiny. What I don't understand is why Buckley wouldn't see it for what it is and quietly and honorably walk away into the sunset. Doesn't he get it?

He got a year extension last time when he didnt deserve it.

 

[Matt_352]

We ain't interviewing squat.
Because the decisions been made.
And it doesn't involve interviews.

How about NO

 

[Chameleon75]

How about NO

You might not like it (I don't), but bucks is a 10yr coach in the absence of disastrous results ie wooden spoon. The mid table results we have gives Ed the flicker of hope to keep backing him in.

 

[MagpieBat]

We should be interviewing Dew, Caracella, Ratten, Lloyd, Bassett, Nicks, Camporeale

And Tudor.

 

[Gone Critical]

Anyone else hear that Buckley was offered a year extension but he wants 2 years? Thats the delay in announcement

I dont think i could cope with that if its true

Haven't heard it and doesn't seem plausible. Buckley is sitting on a one year offer but wants 2 despite the Walsh report not having been tabled. I presume you mean the offer has been put prior to last night.

Would be a massive and pointless charade by the club of true. Where did you hear it?

 

[frizzle]

First of all these are just my own ramblings so please don't take them to seriously.

Secondly I agree a thorough process should be undertaken if a change of coach takes place but Dew would have to be one of the top contenders alongside Caracella, Bassett, Ratten etc.

While Roos says he wont be seeking a senior coaching position I do feel he might be open to another role and if it came to be then he should be on the panel selecting a new coach and Dew was his first pick as his successor when he took on the role at Melbourne. Of course the other option is that he's employed in a role to assist Buckley though I'm not sure if that would work if any resentment from Buckley remains over the negative observations made by Roos over our performance this season.

Someone like Ratten might be more suited to the position of senior assistant if we take that path.

The other issue of course is could we afford someone like Roos in a role other than senior coach given the football department salary cap now in place and our reluctance to step outside it.

Absolutely he would. Just think it's vital we get this one right. Perhaps Dew is the best candidate I don't know.
But just wondering who has come out of the Sydney coaching team & gone on to be successful as a senior coach so far? I can't think of one.
Anybody have one?
None of Malthouse's lieutenants were worth a pinch of sh1t when given a gig themselves either.
But which assistant coach coming out of Hawthorn under Clarkson has failed or done poorly when getting a senior gig at another club?

Cameron - GWS - Huge talent pool makes coaches performance hard to gauge but certainly not failing.
Bolton - Carlton - Team is on the rise. List is improving
Fagan - Brisbane - 500% better than they were under Leppa. Going to be better again next year.
Beveridge - Bulldogs - Premiers in 2nd year at the helm
Simpson - West Coast - probably the least successful of the lot. Still played finals though.

That's why I prefer Ratten over all candidates. Their systems work at other clubs.
But having said that if an interview process found that somebody else was better, then great. Just get this decision correct. We have made way too many poor decisions since 2010 & that needs to stop.

 

[magpie_marty]

Haven't heard it and doesn't seem plausible. Buckley is sitting on a one year offer but wants 2 despite the Walsh report not having been tabled. I presume you mean the offer has been put prior to last night.

Would be a massive and pointless charade by the club of true. Where did you hear it?

The thing that amazes me is people say Buckley is pigheaded and will not take advice
And when you look at Malthouse and his assistants did the same thing occur?

 

[Roverjg]

Frizzle
The Swans have missed the finals once in the past 13 years( Premiers, RU, 7th, 2nd semi, 12th, 2nd semi, 2nd semi, Premiers, PF, RU, PF, RU).
Fortunately or unfortunately, the only reason nobody from the Sydney Swans has gone onto be a successful coach at another club is that they don't leave.

Longmire was Assistant Coach at Sydney from 2002 and was part of the Paul Roos succession plan at the end of 2010 (He's been there 15 years). He has been senior coach for 7 years. The worst the Swans have finished under his coaching is the 2nd semi final in 2011.
John Blakely has been Development coach since 2006
Stuart Dew has been there as an assistant coach for 7 years
Josh Francou has been there as an assistant for 6 years.

 

[ksardog]

Haven't heard it and doesn't seem plausible. Buckley is sitting on a one year offer but wants 2 despite the Walsh report not having been tabled. I presume you mean the offer has been put prior to last night.

Would be a massive and pointless charade by the club of true. Where did you hear it?

Yes, but if they go through all this then they can say with authority that we have gone through the process when the PROCESS was to find a way for Buckley to continue.

I have lost all faith in Ed to run the club without his emotion determining who the coach is.

 

[MagpieBat]

 

[swoop42]

Absolutely he would. Just think it's vital we get this one right. Perhaps Dew is the best candidate I don't know.
But just wondering who has come out of the Sydney coaching team & gone on to be successful as a senior coach so far? I can't think of one.
Anybody have one?
None of Malthouse's lieutenants were worth a pinch of sh1t when given a gig themselves either.
But which assistant coach coming out of Hawthorn under Clarkson has failed or done poorly when getting a senior gig at another club?

Cameron - GWS - Huge talent pool makes coaches performance hard to gauge but certainly not failing.
Bolton - Carlton - Team is on the rise. List is improving
Fagan - Brisbane - 500% better than they were under Leppa. Going to be better again next year.
Beveridge - Bulldogs - Premiers in 2nd year at the helm
Simpson - West Coast - probably the least successful of the lot. Still played finals though.

That's why I prefer Ratten over all candidates. Their systems work at other clubs.
But having said that if an interview process found that somebody else was better, then great. Just get this decision correct. We have made way too many poor decisions since 2010 & that needs to stop.

Longmire obviously didn't leave the Swans but developed under Roos and is arguably doing a better job.

Dew is currently the senior assistant like Longmire before him so that's cause for optimism.

Outside of Longmire only Lyon of the current senior coaches was an assistant at Sydney and he was in that role during seasons 2004-2006 when they made consecutive grand finals. While not tasting ultimate success he took a team with a 100+ year history of failure to two grand finals and lead Fremantle to there first ever grand final appearance. A bit like Rose and Hafey at Collingwood he's been a tad unlucky.

 

[Matt_352]

Nathan can look elsewhere too

 

[jadami1973]

On seven they said Walsh said that we need to improve our coaching and skills

WOW what a revalation !!

 

[JB1975]

I wonder if there is some significance in the fact that Ben Hart has dropped this information...

 

[jmac70]

I wonder if there is some significance in the fact that Ben Hart has dropped this information...

Other than the fact he is bitter?

 

[MagpieBat]

Nathan can look elsewhere too

He should.

But you know in your heart of hearts they will shoot everyone else and manufacture a reason to keep him. Because he's Our Nathan...

 

[jadami1973]

As to the opposite that will happen if he goes. Have tried to avoid this thread lately cause there is people that just throw stuff back at u. It's unpleasant some times with no real way to communicate.
What ever happens either way, l hope people keep it respectful

I agree but it is SOOOO frustrating for many of us that Buckley doesn't deserve another contract as our coach. Awesome player but cannot coach, or manage people. Added to that is the perceived lack of accountability for his position and the rubbish the the media have been groomed to convince our supporters of the "reasons" why he hasn't succeed. We all want our club to do well. But some of us can see when to cut the losses and move on

 

[jmac70]

Nathan can look elsewhere too

Keep pressing that pedestrian button...

 

[JB1975]

Other than the fact he is bitter?

I just dunno. Dunno if there's any real significance, dunno if Hart is bitter, dunno if he is happy for another assistant to be free of the tyrant that is Bucks. The amount of wine I've imbibed makes me ponder deeper meanings and simultaneously leaves me completely unable to grasp them.

 

[jadami1973]

I had a pretty interesting talk to someone today who had recently been at a another clubs function but had sat with someone high up the chain at Collingwood who this person knows well. This table was a football table and the Collingwood person was asked directly will Bucks be reappointed. Without the Collingwood person being absolute the answer was yes he will. Also discussed what the likely football report will say and the 3 points he told me today were

1. There will be criticism of how big "personalities" become at Collingwood to the detriment of the football club.
2. Recruiting has been a problem and needs to be fixed
3. The structures around Bucks have to be reorganised and references were made to the change that Caracella has made to ball movement this year at Richmond as being along the lines Collingwood need to follow.

While point 2 and 3 are issues discussed on this board regularly so hardly groundbreaking this was discussed by someone with a pretty extensive knowledge of the report presented last night. Biggest point was the view that Bucks will be reappointed.

To me this would be insanity as insane as appointing Trump. We are the US and the other countries (teams) and all laughing at us !!

 

[jadami1973]

He got a year extension last time when he didnt deserve it.

Groundhog day