The 3 W's...Warnock, Waite, Walker - recruits for 2010..

[blues76]

Big Robbie in, Kreuze half forward, Hampson back up ruck
Waitey up with Fev, 2 prong...let Fisher roam up the wing so he cant kick for goal...
Walker, hopefully take over where Waitey left us in the backline...
These 3 fit n firing, boy oh boy.....

 

[Team Mo']

Is it me or is the thread title totally different to the OP?

 

[Jeremias]

Wyarran

 

[Warsaw]

Waite For Carlos
Walker for Armfield or Browne
Warnock for who?

 

[Jeremias]

Waite For Carlos
Walker for Armfield or Browne
Warnock for who?

Hammer probably.

No doubt Hammer is improving game by game but he's still young in terms of AFL experience and developing, so he'll have some down games.

Robbie coming back will make him hungrier and more determined to succeed

 

[Mister Carlton]

Hammer probably.

No doubt Hammer is improving game by game but he's still young in terms of AFL experience and developing, so he'll have some down games.

Robbie coming back will make him hungrier and more determined to succeed

I think we have too many small midfielders and rucks. In the next few years we need to decide who to put up for trade bait. Jacobs or Hammer?
Hammer lives in Queensland...but I can see a huge upside if he learns how to kick for goal and to hold a mark. Jacob also has an upside because he is one of the best tap ruckman we have had...in awhile.

 

[blues4flag]

On what I've seen, Hampson is ahead of Jacobs. He just moves so well for a big man and he's improving in all facets of the game. He's getting his hands to the ball in the ruck contests although his palming isn't quite there yet. Marking is getting better by the week and his pick up and run late in the game was absolutely sublime. Can't remember the last time I've seen a ruckman move like that...

Has a lot of upside to his game too, as we all know. He's already improved so much on last year. Having Kreuzer, Hampson and Warnock in the team is very important. Even if we choose to play Kreuzer predominantly out of the ruck, we need a good quality ruck to come in in case of injury. If we opt to have Kreuzer spending a lot of time up forward, then Warnock and Hampson have a place in the 22 as a potentially dominant ruck duo.

 

[Azul]

I think we have too many small midfielders and rucks. In the next few years we need to decide who to put up for trade bait. Jacobs or Hammer?
Hammer lives in Queensland...but I can see a huge upside if he learns how to kick for goal and to hold a mark. Jacob also has an upside because he is one of the best tap ruckman we have had...in awhile.

A surplus of midfielders, perhaps, but ruckmen?

We just traded for a ruckman, now you want to give one back?

With half our ruck stocks currently injured, we have absolutely no depth should Hampson or Kreuzer injure themselves.

Jacobs isn't even on our primary list, so I'm sure we'd first have to promote him before we could trade him, i.e. not 2009.

Unless GC were to offer us a top 2 pick for Hampson - no deal. We've put 3 years into him only for another club to reap the rewards? In any case we'd need to promote Jacobs, draft a 18 year old kid and rookie another to have any chance of covering the depth. i.e. back to square one.

Not to mention us wanting to play Kreuzer and/or Hampson as key position players once Cloke, Setanta and Hartlett are said goodbye to at the end of the year.

 

[thylacine60]

Robert Shaw (for a Bomber bastard I quite like him) was pumping up Warnock this morning. RS has seen a lot of footy, assistant at Freo and Essendon and coach at Adelaide. You can tell he is immensely impressed with what Knockers has to offer us next season.

 

[BlueFeaver]

Unless GC were to offer us a top 2 pick for Hampson - no deal. We've put 3 years into him only for another club to reap the rewards? In any case we'd need to promote Jacobs, draft a 18 year old kid and rookie another to have any chance of covering the depth. i.e. back to square one.

Not to mention us wanting to play Kreuzer and/or Hampson as key position players once Cloke, Setanta and Hartlett are said goodbye to at the end of the year.

I agree with wanting atleast a Top 2 pick for Hampson.

You will find not all three, if any of Cloke, Setanta or Hartlett will go at the end of the season. I would suggest Cloke is the one from this list that would be more likely to go (delisted), then Edwards (delisted) and then possibly Fisher as a trade.

We have a shortage of genuine KP size players who can play forward on our list.............this essentailly means Hartlett and Setanta are guaranteed a position for atleast another year.

 

[mickelboy182]

From what I've seen the last couple of weeks, Hammer is far more effective in the ruck than Kreuze. So I think we can accomodate Warnock, Hampson and Kreuze in the 22, with Kreuze playing forward.

 

[BlueFeaver]

Next your as "new recruits" I would really like to see Walker and Waite in the forward line.

While Waite injury is a disaster for this season I think it is going to fast track the development of Bower, Jamo and Austin.....allowing Waite to be moved forward again.

Walker does not need to be in the Backline any more either and I think he would be awesome as a HFF and relieving mid-fielder in a Ryan O'Keefe type forward role.

The last piece of the puzzle is a genuine sized CHF sized player you wil present all day and break pack open............I like Kreuzer for this role but I think we will get our best return from him playing the ruck due to his ground work and tap skills. That leave a couple of others that may be able to fill that position...............Hartlett could do it and should be given the opportunity over the next few weeks as he has finally got some consistancy out of his body........Setanta is in a similar boat but does not have the skills that Hartlett has, but has superior athletisism and commitment to the context......Hampson is the left of field nomination that could fill the CHF position, he does not shirk an issue, absolutely amazing athletic attributes and is also developing at a dramatic rate. He would also offer us some ruck depth in case of injury.

Just a couple of thoughts.

 

[blues_gibbzy]

Warnock will have to earn his spot from what I've seen Jacobs is ahead of him and Hampson. Also I don't wanna put the big K bomb up forward.

 

[Mister Carlton]

From what I've seen the last couple of weeks, Hammer is far more effective in the ruck than Kreuze. So I think we can accomodate Warnock, Hampson and Kreuze in the 22, with Kreuze playing forward.

Hammer gets consistent hit outs but numerous times last night just thumped it down to the ground hoping that a Carlton player would run onto it. Kruze knows where to place it though....

 

[HBF]

Will be great to have these 3 guys back playing with us next year. Gives our list so much more flexibility, and a heap more class. Even though we drafted Kreuzer as a ruckman, I can see him developing as a forward, with Hampson/Warnock sharing the rucking duties. Waite can play that mobile CHF, and Walks can file a role pretty much anywhere, but i'd like to see him start of a HFF.

Potentially, this could be out starting lineup for round 1 next year:

Backs: Armfield Jamison Thornton
H-Backs: Grigg Bower Scotland
Centres: Simpson Judd Gibbs
H-Forward: Fisher Waite Walker
Forwards: Betts Fevola Kreuzer
Rucks: Warnock Murphy Joseph
I/C: Hampson Garlett Stevens Carrazzo

Very unlucky: Robinson, Browne, Austin
Unlucky: Russell, Bentick, Johnson, Hadley, Yarran, O'Hailpin, Cloke, Houlihan, Wiggins

That's 34 players that can all hold their own at senior level - which shows once and for all that our depth is pretty good.

 

[Silvagnis]

Kreuzer himself hinted on Channel Seven that he might be playing more as a forward in the future. Yet I'd hate to lose the edge Kreuzer brings to our midfield with his second efforts and ability to rack up touches around the ground.

I like Kreuzer, but it's a huge case of robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Hampson is a better ruckman than Kreuzer with his leap, but needs to improve where he hits the ball.

Hammer is improving his around the ground work and reminds me of Kreuzer with his efforts at ground level.

Why did we have both on the ground at the one time last night?

It wasn't very effective...

It was crazy to see them link up like that.

 

[mickelboy182]

Hammer gets consistent hit outs but numerous times last night just thumped it down to the ground hoping that a Carlton player would run onto it. Kruze knows where to place it though....

You're right MC but Hampson looks like he could be a superb palm down type ruckman. His leap is super impressive and he is improving game by game. Kreuze would offer us much more as a forward.

Hampson has got to be one of the most exciting players on our list, along with Tex. We all know what they could be, now we just hold our breath and hope they reach the heights that we know they can.

 

[jonoman89]

Will be great to have these 3 guys back playing with us next year. Gives our list so much more flexibility, and a heap more class. Even though we drafted Kreuzer as a ruckman, I can see him developing as a forward, with Hampson/Warnock sharing the rucking duties. Waite can play that mobile CHF, and Walks can file a role pretty much anywhere, but i'd like to see him start of a HFF.

Potentially, this could be out starting lineup for round 1 next year:

Backs: Armfield Jamison Thornton
H-Backs: Grigg Bower Scotland
Centres: Simpson Judd Gibbs
H-Forward: Fisher Waite Walker
Forwards: Betts Fevola Kreuzer
Rucks: Warnock Murphy Joseph
I/C: Hampson Garlett Stevens Carrazzo

Very unlucky: Robinson, Browne, Austin
Unlucky: Russell, Bentick, Johnson, Hadley, Yarran, O'Hailpin, Cloke, Houlihan, Wiggins

That's 34 players that can all hold their own at senior level - which shows once and for all that our depth is pretty good.

That team does like fantastic. I think Hoops would get a game however. Austin has impressed me a lot - can see him really nailing CHB next year.

 

[barrel47]

Where's Ben Griffiths??

 

[blues_gibbzy]

Where's Ben Griffiths??

Bagging goals for Vic metro or country forget which one

 

[Azul]

We have a shortage of genuine KP size players who can play forward on our list.............this essentailly means Hartlett and Setanta are guaranteed a position for atleast another year.

At what point do you say enough's enough though? Hartlett and Setanta have had 4.5 seasons at the club and IMHO just aren't good enough. (Well I haven't seen enough of Hartlett but how many years does a fringe player get?) If we have yesterday's side plus the 3 W's mentioned and Austin, I just don't see either of them have a future.

If Fisher can't recement his place in the team, then time to scrap all five you mention and start again. Edwards has had injuries, fair enough but sometimes life's tough like that. Which is why I was critical in the 'next Fev' thread that the recruiters hadn't been more proactive about finding late gems in the past couple of drafts, especially given we traded away Kennedy. Now it seems we'll have to pay over the odds for a key-position trade.

 

[thylacine60]

Carlos gave us at least 3 goals last night. He kicked a clever one and gave one each to CJ and Fev. There were probably others. Go big fella.

 

[BlueFeaver]

At what point do you say enough's enough though? Hartlett and Setanta have had 4.5 seasons at the club and IMHO just aren't good enough. (Well I haven't seen enough of Hartlett but how many years does a fringe player get?) If we have yesterday's side plus the 3 W's mentioned and Austin, I just don't see either of them have a future.

If Fisher can't recement his place in the team, then time to scrap all five you mention and start again. Edwards has had injuries, fair enough but sometimes life's tough like that. Which is why I was critical in the 'next Fev' thread that the recruiters hadn't been more proactive about finding late gems in the past couple of drafts, especially given we traded away Kennedy. Now it seems we'll have to pay over the odds for a key-position trade.

Your right about us not using late draft picks or the rookie draft to develop KP players.

As for Setanta and Hartlett I think they will be retained by almost default due to no other players on the list being their size.......do they deserve it? I am not sure. Can we get something out of them in the future? Maybe.
Getting rid of all 5 would be a huge gamble with the odds stacked firmly against us.............I would say get rid of Cloke, rookie list Edwards and trade Fisher.
Keep Hartlett for another year in a lats ditch effort to get some consistancy in his footy.........I know the MC rate his ability and they think he has a future if he can stop getting injured.
Setanta should be retained as a KP depth player at the very least, what he lacks he makes up with effort and flexability.

What every we do..............we can't trade for a KP player, we will need to give away far to much or we will get a hack.

 

[wezbetts19]

Wow we're a Top 4 team as the team stands at the moment.
Imagine if we had a full strength team. Premiership contenders next year.

 

[DamianBis]

As for Setanta and Hartlett I think they will be retained by almost default due to no other players on the list being their size.......do they deserve it? I am not sure. Can we get something out of them in the future? Maybe.
Getting rid of all 5 would be a huge gamble with the odds stacked firmly against us.............I would say get rid of Cloke, rookie list Edwards and trade Fisher.

don't you need someone to trade with?.

Who's going to trade anything semi-useful for fisher?