Unsolved The Beaumont Children

[johnymac1]

My opinion only, as always. I have followed this case for 50 years, as have many of us here.

I am aware that the authors of 'Satin Man' and 'Unmasking' do read and monitor this thread, so this is for you...

Here is just one of the thousands of opinions that you have fought so hard to successfully block. There are decent, informed people who dispute the marketing of your sensational tripe. You don't answer emails. You block people from responding on your numerous FB pages and online literature. You appear to be using all sorts of intelligence to ensure successful marketing. Good luck to you and enjoy your money.

I find the whole situation obscene, to be honest. One only needs to visit the numerous FB BC sites to realise just how far-reaching this nonsense has become. Thousands of people who can't even spell the children's names and have absolutely no idea other than a sensational read to gossip over before they were even born. But it must be true. It was written in a book.

In my opinion, the authors should be ashamed and have let themselves and their reputations down sadly. In my opinion, if they truly believe this story, they're a sprig short of a footy boot.

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Oh My God, you gave them both Barrels !

There is a place for their book in the Fiction section.

I want to write my own book, documenting the various conspiracy theories.
False leads and misconceptions.

 

[johnymac1]

I doubt they'd be making much from their silly little books. However, if Harry is innocent, they've destroyed his reputation. The thing about accusations and the media, is that even when retracted or proven otherwise there will always be people who believe everything they've been told as fact. There's people who'll still tell you Lindy Chamberlain murdered her baby.

i think the publisher has gone bust

 

[EyeMedia]

Is this very recent news story another lame and feeble attempt to attach Harry Phipps to the disappearance of the Beaumont children?:

Family slams ‘bombshell link’ connecting prime suspect to missing Beaumont siblings

Jane, 9, Arnna, 7, and Grant Beaumont, 4, vanished without a trace during a seaside outing to Glenelg Beach in 1966.

7news.com.au

I don't have an axe to grind against those who are convinced of Harry Phipps's involvement in the disappearance, I just don't believe any of those theories. Even the many police investigations into Phipps/Castalloy have never supported or proven the "Phipps angle" on solving this cold case.

His photograph has been published everywhere - for years - whenever this case is back in the news. If he had been with the kids at Glenelg Beach on that day in 1966, by now an eyewitness would have come forward with a 'Positive ID' to state that Phipps was indeed the man with the Beaumont kids.

 

[diorama]

Is this very recent news story another lame and feeble attempt to attach Harry Phipps to the disappearance of the Beaumont children?:

Family slams ‘bombshell link’ connecting prime suspect to missing Beaumont siblings

Jane, 9, Arnna, 7, and Grant Beaumont, 4, vanished without a trace during a seaside outing to Glenelg Beach in 1966.

7news.com.au

Channel 7 are pretty shameless at repeating misinformation here:

2004, when his son Haydn Phipps, came forward to authorities with new information.

He also told police he was violently abused by his father as a child.

Did Haydn actually speak to police at any stage? Or are the authors being referred to as "authorities" now?
Are 7 on the verge of linking Harry's model plane flying record to the disappearance of Amelia Earhart a year later?

 

[JimmyBC]

I'm sceptical the boys that dug the hole at Castalloy even did it the year the Beaumonts went missing lol

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

I'm sceptical the boys that dug the hole at Castalloy even did it the year the Beaumonts went missing lol

considering the discrepancies with the weather conditions they originally mentioned in their story that were shown to be incorrect for the post Australia Day weekend by someone here the dig could have been some other summer weekend.

The get out of jail free cards Phipp fanatics have currently are: the furnace, the bodies being shifted, the original spot behind the cottages as told by Haydn never being dug at and the 2018 site recently re-dug couldn't include under a massive tree due to council issues with the tree being removed due to it's being a 'significant tree' because of the width of it's trunk.

 

[EyeMedia]

i think the publisher has gone bust

He may have been abducted.

 

[JimmyBC]

There was a copy of Satin Man at Savers the other day lol

 

[Jase327]

There was a copy of Satin Man at Savers the other day lol

Did you buy it?

 

[JimmyBC]

Did you buy it?

No a 2 dollar CD of Stereophonic test sounds seemed better value.

 

[diorama]

No a 2 dollar CD of Stereophonic test sounds seemed better value.

That's the audiobook Fact Checked Edition.

 

[Lyn]

There was a report printed in 2018 in the Adelaide Advertiser newspaper in which it was claimed that the police were physically at the site where the Beaumont children were murdered just hours after they were killed.

Can anyone expand on that? Do you have any details? (This would imply that the police know a lot more than they are telling us. they would even know the location of the murder scene and they also know that those three kids are dead, not trafficked elsewhere or still alive today.)

There is an Australian man who now lives in Mexico who may know something about the case. He knew the Beaumont kids when he was growing up in Adelaide at the time and they occasionally played together.

He left Australia (years later, as an adult) due to fear that he would get victimised or set-up by the Australian government, but not in relation to the Beaumont case. It was in relation to something else that he was working on.

There is also a woman in Adelaide who is related to a police officer that did some work on the Beaumont case. She may know something as well, but it’s too early for me to say or to speak on their behalf.

Both have ‘gone quiet’. You will notice that I haven’t mentioned their names.

High-profile unsolved cold cases like the Beaumont children, the Adelaide Oval abduction and the largely un-punished Family Murders are not the only creepy cases from Adelaide at the time. It seems that many children from Adelaide orphanages also died suspiciously or went missing during that era, so something seriously sick was happening back then.

I know someone who was sexually abused as a child at VIP parties in Adelaide at the time, but at this stage I’m still ‘picking his brains’ for further details.

This case is a cover-up. Anyone who gets close to the truth will be warned to back off.

Proceed on the proviso that the case won’t be solved, but you’re welcome to put forward your theories about what happened to the Beaumonts. Proving it will be another matter entirely.

Do you have a copy of the 2018 report in the Advertiser? I haven't heard about that one.. How many police worked on the case in the early days?

 

[EyeMedia]

I haven’t got a copy of that Advertiser report. I’m looking for it, too.

Was the Gypsy Joker bikie Steve Williams gonna “blow the whistle” on peedo’z who traffics kids? He started a foundation to prevent child abuse. That’s an angle to investigate… he knew something, and it cost him his life.

 

[GreyCrow]

I haven’t got a copy of that Advertiser report. I’m looking for it, too.

Was the Gypsy Joker bikie Steve Williams gonna “blow the whistle” on peedo’z who traffics kids? He started a foundation to prevent child abuse. That’s an angle to investigate… he knew something, and it cost him his life.

There is the other argument that by starting the foundation he had decided to leave the club and didnt want to give up his ''earnings '' to leave

And that is what cost him his life - for assuredly he is swimming with the washing machines

 

[EyeMedia]

There is the other argument that by starting the foundation he had decided to leave the club and didnt want to give up his ''earnings '' to leave

And that is what cost him his life - for assuredly he is swimming with the washing machines

You raise some good points… are you saying that his death may have been an ‘inside job’ by the Gypsy Jokers themselves? (His daughter Blaize doesn’t think so.)

 

[GreyCrow]

You raise some good points… are you saying that his death may have been an ‘inside job’ by the Gypsy Jokers themselves? (His daughter Blaize doesn’t think so.)

Its possible. It is one of the theories. I cant ascribe his death to his outside activities no matter how many illuminati of Adelaide theories are around

Not returning your share of the profits ie bikes and cash is a big no-no if you decide to leave. Most underlings get bashed and put in hospital and their possessions taken and a tax put on them for a period of time - subject to more bashings

But Steve being a SOA/Leader may have faced more harsh realities especially if he pushed back

 

[squawk]

Its possible. It is one of the theories. I cant ascribe his death to his outside activities no matter how many illuminati of Adelaide theories are around

Not returning your share of the profits ie bikes and cash is a big no-no if you decide to leave. Most underlings get bashed and put in hospital and their possessions taken and a tax put on them for a period of time - subject to more bashings

But Steve being a SOA/Leader may have faced more harsh realities especially if he pushed back

All of your observations have merit.
However, OMGs detest crimes against children, and secondly, the timing of his disappearance is curiously around the time he is said to have returned from a visit to Yattina.
Someone who has some insight in to the underbelly of old Adelaide told me that Yattina had more than just a spanish galleon of antiques there and more than just barrels of fluid etc. There were also allegedly videotapes there that may have been taken by Williams and never seen again. The videotapes were not related to the Beaumonts but another very high profile crime, as I was told.

 

[GreyCrow]

All of your observations have merit.
However, OMGs detest crimes against children, and secondly, the timing of his disappearance is curiously around the time he is said to have returned from a visit to Yattina.
Someone who has some insight in to the underbelly of old Adelaide told me that Yattina had more than just a spanish galleon of antiques there and more than just barrels of fluid etc. There were also allegedly videotapes there that may have been taken by Williams and never seen again. The videotapes were not related to the Beaumonts but another very high profile crime, as I was told.

Ratcliffe-Gordon

 

[johnymac1]

I haven’t got a copy of that Advertiser report. I’m looking for it, too.

Was the Gypsy Joker bikie Steve Williams gonna “blow the whistle” on peedo’z who traffics kids? He started a foundation to prevent child abuse. That’s an angle to investigate… he knew something, and it cost him his life.

He did take an interest in the BC case. I don't think he progressed very far with it though.
If they did their own research, nothing leaked out after his ambushing.
High probability it was a rival gang or member. Would be my guess.

In the nineties I did see him hanging around some port road car yards.
You could ask some of those guys, what he was working on

 

[DropBearess]

I have a question which has perplexed me for many years. It seems to have no definitive answer.

What time did the children actually catch the bus to Glenelg? Was it 8.45 am or 10 am? I have read everything I can find over the years with all sources coming in 50/50. The original, handwritten police report says 8.45. Mrs. B also stated 8.45, yet other reports claim she said 10 am. We have a bus driver and his passenger claiming 8.45 and others saying they were wrong. We have old newspapers and new books differing.

I think the time frame is very important. 10 am allowed the children around 90 mins at the beach after trip times and buying lunches. 8.45 am allowed them nearly 3 hours. I also dare to wonder if there could have been an 'elephant in the room' which may account for vague departure times and expected return times.

What time do you all think the children departed and why do you think this? What are your sources for your thoughts?

 

[GreyCrow]

I have a question which has perplexed me for many years. It seems to have no definitive answer.

What time did the children actually catch the bus to Glenelg? Was it 8.45 am or 10 am? I have read everything I can find over the years with all sources coming in 50/50. The original, handwritten police report says 8.45. Mrs. B also stated 8.45, yet other reports claim she said 10 am. We have a bus driver and his passenger claiming 8.45 and others saying they were wrong. We have old newspapers and new books differing.

I think the time frame is very important. 10 am allowed the children around 90 mins at the beach after trip times and buying lunches. 8.45 am allowed them nearly 3 hours. I also dare to wonder if there could have been an 'elephant in the room' which may account for vague departure times and expected return times.

What time do you all think the children departed and why do you think this? What are your sources for your thoughts?

From wiki and I thought this is the official story as well

if they could visit Glenelg Beach again. As it was too hot to walk, they took a five-minute, three-kilometre bus journey from their home to the beach.[13] They caught the bus at 8:45 am and were expected to return home on the 12:00 noon bus.[14]: 37 [15]

 

[GreyCrow]

I hadnt considered the implications of the following

On 25 January 1966, in the midst of a summer heatwave, Jim dropped the children off at Glenelg Beach before heading off on a three-day sales trip to Snowtown.[11]

, and when Jim returned home early from his trip around 3:00 pm, he immediately drove to the crowded beach.

A 3 day trip suddenly shortened to the day they went missing?? What are the implications of this?

 

[Jase327]

I hadnt considered the implications of the following

On 25 January 1966, in the midst of a summer heatwave, Jim dropped the children off at Glenelg Beach before heading off on a three-day sales trip to Snowtown.[11]

, and when Jim returned home early from his trip around 3:00 pm, he immediately drove to the crowded beach.

A 3 day trip suddenly shortened to the day they went missing?? What are the implications of this?

Not sure if the trip was shortened to the day the kids went missing. Rather Jim drove to Snowtown on the first day of the planned 3 day Trip and his client had cancelled it for whatever reason. Bit Odd still

 

[diorama]

I have a question which has perplexed me for many years. It seems to have no definitive answer.

What time did the children actually catch the bus to Glenelg? Was it 8.45 am or 10 am? I have read everything I can find over the years with all sources coming in 50/50. The original, handwritten police report says 8.45. Mrs. B also stated 8.45, yet other reports claim she said 10 am. We have a bus driver and his passenger claiming 8.45 and others saying they were wrong. We have old newspapers and new books differing.

I think the time frame is very important. 10 am allowed the children around 90 mins at the beach after trip times and buying lunches. 8.45 am allowed them nearly 3 hours. I also dare to wonder if there could have been an 'elephant in the room' which may account for vague departure times and expected return times.

What time do you all think the children departed and why do you think this? What are your sources for your thoughts?

There are 6 apparent "witnesses" that i'm aware of.

1) Nancy Beaumont - and i haven't seen the original press report - is said to have confirmed, a few days after the abduction, that they left at 8:35 - seems to give them plenty of time to make the 8:45 bus.

2) The neighbour across the road, who asked "where's your bikini Nancy?" should have been able to confirm the time, or otherwise. (The Missing Beaumont Children - Michael Madigan)

3) The friend Nancy visited after finishing housework at 10. May add additional confirmation that they went to the bus stop well before 10. (The Missing Beaumont Children - Michael Madigan)

4) Darlington man who called The News to describe his wife's account of the kids on the 8:45 bus. The wife, a cub leader starting a new job in Glenelg at 9, describes the little boy putting his hand out of the window, the oldest sister scolding him, then walking to the back of the bus to read her book (on a 5 minute bus trip). No bus driver to confirm any of this. Doesn't appear to have been reported to police, the witness may not have spoken to anyone else. We don't really know if she even existed. Cubs personnel around Darlington at the time might be really interesting, or entirely irrelevant. (The Missing Beaumont Children - Michael Madigan)

5) Ian Munro, driver of the 10:10 bus, remembered the kids getting on, but can't remember when or where they got off the bus. (various news sources) He died 10 years ago, so there's another lost opportunity.

6) Jane's friend Jenny, not on either bus, described previous trips she'd been on with the kids, particularly describing the way Jane helped Grant down the steps, holding him to her hip. Which should have made their departure fairly noticeable, unless it was a routine Ian was so used to that he'd stopped noticing. (edit:S____ M___ toilet paper series)

There's more detail on the 8:45 description, but sounds more like someone who's observed the kids in a less confined, brief-trip setting. No mention of how busy the bus was, but Jane wandering off to the back of the bus seems inconsistent with descriptions from people who knew her best. Either the best witness or a probable suspect.

Witness accounts at the beach don't appear to exist before 11am (depending on when Tom Patterson actually saw them). That leaves a gap of either ~50 minutes or a little over 2 hours where they seem to have gone entirely unseen.

I don't think either bus witness was satisfactory (allowing for the fact that police might have far more detail than has been disclosed) and generally agree with Ray Kelly's reasoning that an abductor wouldn't attract attention asking about stolen money, so consider option 3 (or some variant) - someone they knew, possibly the father of Jane's "boyfriend", saw them at the bus stop, picked them up, took them to see his son (and possibly other siblings/new friends) who couldn't go out in that heat, dropped them at the beach, parked his car, got changed, laid on the grass, played with them a while, noticed money missing, tried to find the stolen money, dropped them back at/near the bus stop, where the Adelaide Oval sketch came to life, showing them a cat running under/behind an unoccupied house (last week of school holidays, and one house likely vacant after the owner's death 6 months earlier, next door had a boy Jane's age, so the absence of bus stop witnesses suggests they were away, too) - and whatever happened from there was horrific.

 

[johnymac1]

Any news on the Cossie sponsored Dig?