The Best 22

[over the top]

With our current list, who would be in the best 22. given that everyone is fully fit. i thought somethin like this:

Carrazzo Jamison Grigg


Thornton O'hAilpin Walker


Stevens Bentick Simpson


Murphy Waite Scotland


Betts Fevola Kreuzer


Cloke Judd Gibbs


Hampson Russell Armfield Fisher






thoughts?

 

[Murphinator]

I can't even pick a best 22 for us at the moment.
The last few spots are very difficult to determine.
Walker, injury free, would definitely be in there.
Wiggins would be unluckily a depth player, as may Setanta (With Bower to slot back in) and Browne. It will be great to have such competition for positions. We look to have very good depth except for the forward line.

 

[walkers a legend]

Bower should be in there.

 

[CarltonFan]

Jamison--O'hAilpin--Carrazzo
Walker---Bower----Thornton
Simpson---Gibbs------Grigg
Murphy---Waite----Scotland
Fisher-----Fevola------Betts

Kruezer-----Judd----Stevens

Int: Cloke, Bentick, Armfield, Hadley


Emg: Russell, Wiggins, Hampson


if we were to play a GF tomorrow, that would be my side.

 

[ClayBlue87]

Hard to do, we have so much depth now, especially in the backline!!!
You cannot really fault any of our true defenders, and they have all earnt their spot, but can we play them all?

Bower - Was on track for most improved player this season before the shoulder. Very much a shame, looks to be able to hold the T. Cloke type players...at 20yrs old (?) looks to be future CHB with decent attacking streak.
Jamieson - Without a doubt our Full Back for the next 3yrs at the very least as he just signed on. Very good pick for a mature(er) recruit which we seem to be doing well with as of late (Army, Setanta etc). Very versatile and can play just as effective against smalls.
O'hAilpin - Has impressed and solidified himself in the team without Bower there. Old school defender who should be the GO-TO man for the gorilla style FF/CHFs (Brown, Hall etc). IMHO better suited to CHB as has great run and carry and awkward but effective kicking style.
Thornton - Without the pressure of being FB has been an experienced hand in the backline, probably the guy that everyone else looks up to. I sprobably now 3rd in the pecking order and won't get the best fwds, giving him chance to push forward and kick goals as we saw vs Collingwood.
Waite - And we were all so happy to have him stay at CHB when we had defensive woes. Then we all scream to play him fwd when we have fwd line problems. Poor guy. Like a kid travelling between divorced parents. IMHO sould always start in defense and only travel fwd in bursts.
Austin - Yes I'll mention him, although not ahead of any of the other guys, the guy has been in ripping form in the ants and IIRC has been in the best for the last 6 weeks or so. Can/ will he fit in the team?

So after all that which defenders do we choose for our BEST 22? I think Austin, obviously and Bower get the cut. For this year atleast we need to keep Waite in defense as the formula has worked well, and we have performed outstandingly in defense in the last 2 weeks without Bower, tough I know, but it has to be said.

Best 22:

Thornton Jamieson Carrazzo

Gibbs Waite Scotland

Walker Bentick Simpson

Stevens Fisher Houlihan

Betts Fevola Kruezer

Cloke Judd Murphy

Hampson, Armfield, O'hAilpin, and Russell

IMHO best 22 players, not necessarily best developing players. Russell/ Grigg very difficult choice but both similar players at this stage and Russell has a bit harder body to throw around. Should become an enforcer for us hopefully!

We have worked well with 3 big men so far, so no need to change it so quickly, but Hampson will probs get dropped to makeway for Hartlett who needs every opportunity at CHF as possible. Fisher atm works well as a HFF lead up forward, which is exactly where he should play, a bit further from the goal...Hartlett will hopefully fill the role of the pack breaking CHF.

l say we all stop saying Gibbs should play here/ there/ everywhere. He is a devastating shut-down player! The most impressive thing is after he has mastered this trait, he can work going the other way and be just as damaging going forward, making his opponent accountable. Heath Shaw, no more to say.

Yes, Houla and Stevo in the fwd line. Im sure they will rotate through the midfield, but I have been concerned at our delivery through HF and our "Fev-centric" style of play. These two players are very classy and creative as well as shots on goal. They can set-up the inside 50 to Fev or act as small fwds.

Walker and Simmo on the wings, I thought it'd be a no brainer. Gibbs does Walkers old shut-down job so should free him up. Pagan drilled the defensive game into Walks, now Ratten should drill the offensive game into him

I feel bad for leaving Bannister out, but he only got an opportunity because of our injuries. He impressed with the opportunities he got, but he has lost the mantle of having the Chad as his bitch, which was pretty much the first time I rated him. Other players have also seized their opportunities and unfortunately for Bano will continue to be a great depth player.

Ommisions include:
Wiggins, who IMHO is just a marking "pseudo" forward.
Browne, well composed, solid young man, needs time
Hartlett, gee how we all pray for his hammys!
Bower
Bannister


NICE DEPTH!

 

[CrippsonBlue]

It has been done not only numerous times, but there are several recent threads on this....you simply had to search.

Banno should be there based on his form before he got injured, as should Bower.

Most that post their teams in these threads have no friggin idea, you think cause we've won games with our current team that it is the greatest ever.

Houlihan is in our starting 18, leave the real discussions to people with half an insight...Grigg in the centre, Bentick and Hadley on the bench, please

 

[marcmurphy3]

If I were picking would be:

B: D.Armfield M.Jamison B.Thornton
HB: A.Walker J.Waite H.Scotland
C: K.Simpson A.Bentick N.Stevens
HF: B.Gibbs B.Fisher R.Houlihan
F: E.Betts B.Fevola M.Kreuzer
OB: C.Cloke C.Judd M.Murphy
I/C: A.Carrazzo S.Grigg P.Bower S.Hampson
Em: Bannister O'hAilpin Russell

 

[ClayBlue87]

It has been done not only numerous times, but there are several recent threads on this....you simply had to search.

Banno should be there based on his form before he got injured, as should Bower.

Most that post their teams in these threads have no friggin idea, you think cause we've won games with our current team that it is the greatest ever.

Houlihan is in our starting 18, leave the real discussions to people with half an insight...Grigg in the centre, Bentick and Hadley on the bench, please

Banna should be in based on form...you are correct. But there are a lot of players that are in form atm, and most deserve their spot. But the role that Banno was playing as a tagger has been matched by gibbs and armfield to an extent, both of which are more damaging going forward aswell.

Who goes out for Bower to come in? Or do we give up on Waite being a abckman and start him at CHF, wasting the whole CHB experiment?

Bentick has shown his worth as an in & under player, collingwood are a good example of what happens when you dont have one. IMHO ON FORM he is ahead of Hadley, who is a class above AB as far as skills goes, but has a long way to go to get his match fitness up to how he was before the 2 knee ops.

Houlihan is a very classy player who is a great finisher, however he will probably take over the Jordan Russell mantle when he comes back in

 

[Artie Bucco]

How can you guys not include Bannister, prior to injury was our most consistent performer. Very tough to choose our 22 atm, might attempt it when I have more time

 

[ClayBlue87]

How can you guys not include Bannister, prior to injury was our most consistent performer. Very tough to choose our 22 atm, might attempt it when I have more time

I know its tough. Its just my oppinion that while Bannister is probably our best tagger/ shutdown type player. He is nto as damaging going forward. Grigg is currently playing a run with role and doing good without being great. And Gibbsy is desimating his opponents and being very damging going forward aswell. Like Kane Cornes or Lingy, they shutdown, then they hurt you! Banno just doesnt hurt enough.

As i said its very stiff, but its like substituting Gibson Les Paul for a Fender Stratocaster. They both play sweet music but the Les Paul jsut kicks more ass! Its a bad metaphor I know, but I should be studying atm

 

[Sam The Doc]

hadley is alot better than what some of you think...when hes fully fit,he is a very good player

 

[ClayBlue87]

hadley is alot better than what some of you think...when hes fully fit,he is a very good player

Absolutely, I rate him very highly. His form for Brissie before the knee ops was blistering. Spesh aorund the time they were winning flags he was pushing into that team, to a point where he solidified his spot. Prety hard thing to do for a 3x premiership team. Very classy in & under player. Absolute steal for pick 53 or whichever. No wonder Matthews was spewin. Give him until next year... you dont expect anything from players until 1 yr after their knee ops.

 

[jonoman89]

If I were picking would be:

B: D.Armfield M.Jamison B.Thornton
HB: A.Walker J.Waite H.Scotland
C: K.Simpson A.Bentick N.Stevens
HF: B.Gibbs B.Fisher R.Houlihan
F: E.Betts B.Fevola M.Kreuzer
OB: C.Cloke C.Judd M.Murphy
I/C: A.Carrazzo S.Grigg P.Bower S.Hampson
Em: Bannister O'hAilpin Russell

I agree except put Hammo as emergency and replace with Pfieffer/Bannister. Hadley could break in if he gets his body right and shows consistency. Same with Hartlett in CHF.

Wow, what a team we now have!

 

[blues4flag]

Absolutely, I rate him very highly. His form for Brissie before the knee ops was blistering. Spesh aorund the time they were winning flags he was pushing into that team, to a point where he solidified his spot. Prety hard thing to do for a 3x premiership team. Very classy in & under player. Absolute steal for pick 53 or whichever. No wonder Matthews was spewin. Give him until next year... you dont expect anything from players until 1 yr after their knee ops.

He has had over a year since his knee op - played 14 games for Brisbane in 07, before being dropped to the reserved.

Had a very interrupted preseason, so we'll see how he goes when fully fit, but on what he's shown thus far, he doesn't deserve to be in the 22. Bentick has added much more to the side than he has, and neither are so good that we can afford to play both. I don't see Hadley as anything but a centreman - I've seen nothing that suggests he'll make a good flanker.

Definitely good value - an experienced player who bolsters our depth for a nothing pick, but at the moment I'd send him back to the VFL. As I said, with a full preseason behind him he might be better for it, and he has missed a lot of football, plus is fairly inexperienced for a man of his age, so I've no doubt he's got improvement left him in. Just how much, is yet to be seen.

 

[WeninRome]

B. Army Jamo Bower
HB Walker Waite Thornton
W Scotland Gibbs Stevens
HF Hoops Hartlett Simmo
F Betts Fev Fish

R. Cloke Judd Murph

Int. Carrots Hadley Bannister kreuzer

Emer Bentick Sentanta Grigg Russel Hampson

Very hard to pick Really hard to leave Bentick and Grigg out and Russel but

I think Hadley is ahead of Bentick, Banno ahead of grigg and Walker in for Russel.

 

[ClayBlue87]

He has had over a year since his knee op - played 14 games for Brisbane in 07, before being dropped to the reserved.

Had a very interrupted preseason, so we'll see how he goes when fully fit, but on what he's shown thus far, he doesn't deserve to be in the 22. Bentick has added much more to the side than he has, and neither are so good that we can afford to play both. I don't see Hadley as anything but a centreman - I've seen nothing that suggests he'll make a good flanker.

Definitely good value - an experienced player who bolsters our depth for a nothing pick, but at the moment I'd send him back to the VFL. As I said, with a full preseason behind him he might be better for it, and he has missed a lot of football, plus is fairly inexperienced for a man of his age, so I've no doubt he's got improvement left him in. Just how much, is yet to be seen.

I dont remember his medical history, im pretty sure he had 2 full knee reconscructions and then had some more knee surgery at the end of 07...mus try to find the info

 

[WeninRome]

I dont remember his medical history, im pretty sure he had 2 full knee reconscructions and then had some more knee surgery at the end of 07...mus try to find the info

hadley had very disruptive pre season this year.

 

[blues4flag]

I dont remember his medical history, im pretty sure he had 2 full knee reconscructions and then had some more knee surgery at the end of 07...mus try to find the info

Played all of 2004, missed both 2005 and 2006 with consecutive knee injuries. Played most of 2007 (I believe he was dropped to the seconds around round 15, might have gotten injured there, I'm not sure - though he did play the last three games). He did have an interrupted preseason - might have had post season surgery.

 

[Murph is baby Judd]

lol, i love that bentick is one of the most underrated players in the afl
youd think your own teams supporters would realise how important he is to the team... but nope, not on bigfooty

go have a look at stevens and scotlands late goals against the pies and see how the ball got to them
or watch the whole game and actually pay attention to what hes doing, and not just whos having the shot at goal at the end of it

im personally insulted by people not having him in our starting 18, let alone our best 22
i feel like ive said this 100 times on these forums. its not a coincidence that he missed the first 3 games of the season and we lost all three
sure there were other factors, but not putting him in our best 22 is just stupid

even for bigfooty

 

[one eyed bluey]

Scotland[/B]

Walker Bentick Simpson

Stevens Fisher Houlihan

Betts Fevola Kruezer

Cloke Judd Murphy

Hampson, Armfield, O'hAilpin, and Russell


Ommisions include:
Wiggins, who IMHO is just a marking "pseudo" forward.
Browne, well composed, solid young man, needs time
Hartlett, gee how we all pray for his hammys!
Bower
Bannister


NICE DEPTH!

That side is pretty spot on IMO.
Players in bold I would change or maybe drop.

- For mine, you gotta have bower in the team he can play tall and small, has great closing speed, good run and IMO think his better suited at CHB or HBF depending on match ups.
Scotland - again i dont think his best position his in the backline, sure he can rack up a ton of junk disposals but he zones off to much and his actually a really good tough nut through the mid and good skills up forward, thats where i would play him.

- Hampson we may have to many talls if bower, sentanta, waite, cloke and kreuze are all playing, sacrafice for a runner

- Houlihan, i know he hasnt played for a while, but im still undecided on him as a player...

But once again, it all depends on matchups, but the good thing is at least whoever we bring in "ADDS" to the team.

 

[WeninRome]

lol, i love that bentick is one of the most underrated players in the afl
youd think your own teams supporters would realise how important he is to the team... but nope, not on bigfooty

go have a look at stevens and scotlands late goals against the pies and see how the ball got to them
or watch the whole game and actually pay attention to what hes doing, and not just whos having the shot at goal at the end of it

im personally insulted by people not having him in our starting 18, let alone our best 22
i feel like ive said this 100 times on these forums. its not a coincidence that he missed the first 3 games of the season and we lost all three
sure there were other factors, but not putting him in our best 22 is just stupid

even for bigfooty

i understand what you are saying, but i still hadley and banno when at the their best are ahead of him.

Bentick is not the reason we have been winning games, he has helped but not been the sole reason

 

[gbatman]

This is getting pretty hard just at the moment, I think Russell is just ahead of Browne at the moment and I wish I could have fitted wiggins in. Unlucky for Bannister and Hampson.

My Best First XXII

B: Thornton Jamison Carrazzo
HB: Bower S. O'hAlpin Scotland
C: Simpson Judd Gibbs
HF: Walker Waite Armfield
F: Betts Fevola Fisher
Fol.: Cloke Murphy Stevens
I/C: Bentick S. Kreuzer Russell Grigg
Em.: Wiggins Browne Bannister


My Second XXII

B: Browne Austin Wiggins
HB: Anderson Saddington Bannister
C: Jackson Hadley Joseph
HF: Houlihan Hartlett Benjamin
F: Ellard Edwards Ackland
Fol.: Hampson Blackwell Pfeifer
I/C: Hill A. O'hAlpin Jacobs Shields

 

[K.Simpson]

B: B.Thornton M.Jamison P.Bower
HB: B.Gibbs J.Waite H.Scotland
C: K.Simpson C.Judd N.Stevens
HF: A.Walker A.Hartlett R.Houlihan
F: E.Betts B.Fevola B.Fisher

OB: C.Cloke M.Murphy A.Bentick

I/C: M.Kreuzer A.Carrazzo R.Hadley S.O'hAilpin


Em: S.Grigg J.Russell J.Bannister

 

[Murph is baby Judd]

i understand what you are saying, but i still hadley and banno when at the their best are ahead of him.

Bentick is not the reason we have been winning games, he has helped but not been the sole reason

seriously, just go on the afl website, go to the replay of the last qtr, and watch how the ball got to the player that kicked the goal (especially the stevens and scotland late goals)

then come back and tell me that hadley and banno are ahead of him
im not trying to be an ass, but seriously, do it and see if it changes your mind

 

[WeninRome]

seriously, just go on the afl website, go to the replay of the last qtr, and watch how the ball got to the player that kicked the goal (especially the stevens and scotland late goals)

then come back and tell me that hadley and banno are ahead of him
im not trying to be an ass, but seriously, do it and see if it changes your mind

I complete understand what you are saying, and I think Bentick has been fantastic and was in the last qtr on the weekend. i Remember those two passages of play, brilliant.

But Banno, was our best player until he got injured, and Hadley is as tough as bentick and has much better disposal.

I would love to fit bentick in the team, where else would you fit him in? would you put him ahead of carrots?