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[Carringbush2010]

I’ll be too busy celebrating.

Celebrating? You have other interests than Collingwood? Speculation I know but you'd forgive me for thinking you won't be celebrating Collingwood's form, this year or next year.

 

[jmac70]

Celebrating? You have other interests than Collingwood? Speculation I know but you'd forgive me for thinking you won't be celebrating Collingwood's form, this year or next year.

I see you’ve gone back to ‘no hope’ mode.

We are in a little form slump at the moment and have been hit with some injuries. Big chance of turning that around though this week and beyond.

 

[Chief Ten Beers]

The constant injury list is due, in part, to our game style - contested ball to mask our lack of skill.

Ben Reid's recurring calf, Moore's + Adams recurring Hamstring and all those ACL's and broken legs to Scharenburg, Swan, Goldsack, Luke Ball, Toovey and Krak were partly due to Buck's gameplan! Should have suspected this all along.

 

[Help My Club]

Isn't it funny how the never to be persuaded Buckley lovers all rely on myths, half truths, excuses, woulda, shoulda and coulda's to back up their argument.

I just wonder if they would have the same un-wavered belief if say, David Rhys Jones was our coach with the results Buckley has put up?

Buckley gets an unbelievable amount of slack cut, because he was a great player and clubman and people used to wear his number of their jumper as a kid - well, so did I, but he just isn't a very good coach - fact!

Has anyone stopped for a moment and found it interesting/unusual that a former premiership coach, John Worsfold, after a celebrated year in 2017 at Essendon, is immediately under the pump in 2018 with many questioning his tenure after 8 rounds? And of course Bolton at Carlton, who is in genuine rebuild mode, is always under scrutiny.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Thoughts on creating a seperate melt down Buckley thread should we lose agst the Saints?

 

[TKiL]

Thoughts on creating a seperate melt down Buckley thread should we lose agst the Saints?

Won't be a thread - more like Hawaii - fissures everywhere and molten lava

 

[TTRRAAVVIISS]

Ben Reid's recurring calf, Moore's + Adams recurring Hamstring and all those ACL's and broken legs to Scharenburg, Swan, Goldsack, Luke Ball, Toovey and Krak were partly due to Buck's gameplan! Should have suspected this all along.

I was listening to Phil Gould on his NRL podcast a while back. He discussed aspects of coaching and touched on injuries.

He said soft tissue injuries are usually a training regime issue and can be improved by changing training methods.

Then their were impact injuries and acl type ones that there’s not a lot you can do about.

The Buckley gameplan requires more running. Therefore, the training loads from 2013 onwards we’re higher.

So it’s actually accurate to say a gameplan dependent on high possession, handpass and run and carry has caused higher soft tissue injuries.

 

[DuckToaster]

Thoughts on creating a seperate melt down Buckley thread should we lose agst the Saints?

Outside of the Holden centre if we lose.

 

[MarkT2]

Not to this year. They have no bearing at all.

Yes they do. Einstein says so.

The results are reflective of list quality and coaching quality. These in turn are reflective of administration. Not a lot has changed on or off the field in that time.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Outside of the Holden centre if we lose.

YouTube this.. actually pretty funny.

 

[Chief Ten Beers]

I was listening to Phil Gould on his NRL podcast a while back. He discussed aspects of coaching and touched on injuries.

He said soft tissue injuries are usually a training regime issue and can be improved by changing training methods.

Then their were impact injuries and acl type ones that there’s not a lot you can do about.

The Buckley gameplan requires more running. Therefore, the training loads from 2013 onwards we’re higher.

So it’s actually accurate to say a gameplan dependent on high possession, handpass and run and carry has caused higher soft tissue injuries.

Makes sense, I guess Nathan Freeman played in gameplans under St Kilda and Collingwood where the gameplan was simply to run too much.

It's more accurate to say some players are more prone to injury than others and unfortunately, the Pies have had some rotten luck.

If this theory of Gould was true, then it wouldn't explain Richmond's current gameplan style and short injury list.

 

[sr36]

Thoughts on creating a seperate melt down Buckley thread should we lose agst the Saints?

This astounds me. Over 9000 posts, yet still you don't know that every thread will become a melt down Buckley thread if we lose to St Kilda?

 

[No SPIN]

LOL, there is a big difference between believing you can beat those teams, and actually beating them.

Recent history - fact, not fiction:-

Swans: Win - good result last year
Adelaide: Win - Great result this year
Melbourne: Win- Good result last year - we will know how we back up against them in a couple of weeks and whether that result was a fluke, or Melbourne choking.

Port: Lost
Geel: Lost
Richmond: Lost
Hawks: Lost
St. K: Lost

We have one really good win this year (Adelaide) and three wins against the bottom three.

History shows we pull out one or two good wins for the year, but ultimately we are a below ordinary team. Nothing is suggesting otherwise again this year.

Whilst we all hope what you believe, that Buckley will be the savior and 5 time back to back premiership coach, the on field results just aren't adding up and the test sample size is pretty darn big now. This is his 7th year in charge and only the inherited MM list has made finals.

But go ahead and insert your rebuttal myths below about why is the savior.....

I'm actually on the record here saying last year that Bucks did not deserve to be reappointed.

So I can unbiasedly look at 2018 and acknowledge that we have improved - even the commentators now see we have a definitive game style that was absent in past seasons.

Progress is definitely obvious to the UNBIASED - as for you, well, you will be unwavering in your condemnation regardless of the results.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

This astounds me. Over 9000 posts, yet still you don't know that every thread will become a melt down Buckley thread if we lose to St Kilda?

I'm aware of that re.

I try and follow the rules and regulations by keeping to the topic of the thread re.. doing my best in promoting non thread derailment re.

Hence why I thought it was a good idea re.

 

[dazbroncos]

Greeetings..

I come in thanks. If this is the wrong spot Mods please move it.

Just wanted to say thanks to Bucks for coming out and saying what every GFC player, coach and supporter has either said or wanted to say.

The Curnow thing is a farce. Bucks, like him or hate him, knows the game and has, IMO, always been better than his reputation has allowed. His view on this only reinforces my thoughts. Glad he stood up and said his piece. we have our differences and rivalries but deserves respect.

GO Catters

 

[No SPIN]

The 10 above us, are better than us at this point in time. Who would you say we are better than?

We can beat these sides, yes - as per the results 2018 have thrown at us, which have been wild. But one sunny day doesn't make a summer.

So cool your jets.

I see improvement in many areas - you see none, and that's your perogative when obsessed with ladder position alone.

 

[Leviathan Pie]

I see improvement in many areas - you see none, and that's your perogative when obsessed with ladder position alone.

So, I ask a question - a very valid one.

And on a subject that has nothing to do with the discussion - you for some reason label that I have seen no improvement.

.....

 

[No SPIN]

So, I ask a question - a very valid one.

And on a subject that has nothing to do with the discussion - you for some reason label that I have seen no improvement.

.....

Terrific - so tell me where you see our improvement.

 

[TKiL]

I see improvement in many areas - you see none, and that's your perogative when obsessed with ladder position alone.

Ladder position alone at the end of the year determines whether or not we play finals.

The AFL for all its mysterious and weird ways, is unlikely to accept a submission to play finals from a club that finished say 10th, based on, "we've improved in a number of areas - we've got all the metrics to back this up", please let us play finals".

 

[jmac70]

Yes they do. Einstein says so.

The results are reflective of list quality and coaching quality. These in turn are reflective of administration. Not a lot has changed on or off the field in that time.

I’m pretty happy where we are situated right now.

 

[ThexderX]

Ben Reid's recurring calf, Moore's + Adams recurring Hamstring and all those ACL's and broken legs to Scharenburg, Swan, Goldsack, Luke Ball, Toovey and Krak were partly due to Buck's gameplan! Should have suspected this all along.

Where exactly did I say ALL of our injuries were due to the game style? Go back and read the post.

 

[ThexderX]

I'm actually on the record here saying last year that Bucks did not deserve to be reappointed.

So I can unbiasedly look at 2018 and acknowledge that we have improved - even the commentators now see we have a definitive game style that was absent in past seasons.

Progress is definitely obvious to the UNBIASED - as for you, well, you will be unwavering in your condemnation regardless of the results.

Sorry, but progress is not definately obvious. What do you base that on? One good win against Adelaide? We're in much the same position as previous years.

My opinion is based on nearly 7 years of actual data.

I have no motive. Nothing would please me more that Bucks to prove me horribly wrong...he just hasn't done it despite unqualified support from the club.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Greeetings..

I come in thanks. If this is the wrong spot Mods please move it.

Just wanted to say thanks to Bucks for coming out and saying what every GFC player, coach and supporter has either said or wanted to say.

The Curnow thing is a farce. Bucks, like him or hate him, knows the game and has, IMO, always been better than his reputation has allowed. His view on this only reinforces my thoughts. Glad he stood up and said his piece. we have our differences and rivalries but deserves respect.

GO Catters

Aghhhh ok.

What Hawkins did was totally out of line.. what the Kurnows did.. well vastly different.

 

[TTRRAAVVIISS]

Makes sense, I guess Nathan Freeman played in gameplans under St Kilda and Collingwood where the gameplan was simply to run too much.

It's more accurate to say some players are more prone to injury than others and unfortunately, the Pies have had some rotten luck.

If this theory of Gould was true, then it wouldn't explain Richmond's current gameplan style and short injury list.

Well I’ll take Phil Gould’s word about injury prevention, player management and training loads every day of the week over anything anyone has to say on the matter.

In his view, Gould believes soft tissue injuries are not just luck. They are considerations the coach and fitness staff need to manage. Obviously, some people are susceptible to soft tissue (like Elliott). So you need to manage those types correctly.

So if the coach develops a game plan requires higher intensity and longer running. Then endorses the fitness guru to increase training loads by 30% so the players can implement the gameplan. And the result is chronic soft tissue damage (Elliot, freeman, Moore, Reid etc). Then I think the coach needs to do 4 things:

1. Consider a new gameplan
2. Consider amending the training regime
3. Consider both option 1 & 2 together
4. Consider resigning because the gameplan and training regime implemented would appear to have stunted the careers of quality talent re: Elliot, Reid and Moore etc (oh and Freeman and Seedsman).

It’s not good enough to have star talent like Elliot, Reid and Moore on the sidelines because of idiotic training loads that occurred over 4 years. And if you think the pars defect Elliot had was purely genetic and always gonna destined to happen you’ve got rocks in your head. If managed properly, the chance of Elliot developing that pats defect could have been dramatically reduced, if not completely avoided.

 

[Kick It 2 Me]

Could we, after the loss to St.Kilda, change the thread title to "Head In The Sand: We all told you so but you wouldn't believe us, despite the compelling evidence."

Awaits shit storm.