Roast The call on 3qtr time

[golazo]

Commentators justifying it by saying the umpire has to blow the whistle for a quarter to end after hearing a siren... yet if a player's having a shot from 50 out on the run and we can all hear the siren, it acts as sort of a 'buzzer beater' where we don't go by the whistle, but the exact split second of the siren. 2 sets of rules for whatever's convenient on the night!

We most likely would not have won anyway, but it had a massive effect on the game and gave the Crows the extra momentum they needed & scoreboard buffer.

I honestly believe the siren didn't sound. The crowd were loud, but not that loud.

 

[Jonno94]

Why does it matter? We didn't get close in the end anyway.

 

[golazo]

Why does it matter? We didn't get close in the end anyway.

Maybe read the whole post first, Jonno.

 

[Yidaki]

No point whinging about it. We lost the game in the second quarter anyway.

 

[Pera]

Eddie picked it two weeks ago when he mentioned the lag from clock hitting zero to the siren sounding. And look what team it happens to?

It was a goal in any case, no excuses. I'd have paid it.

 

[golazo]

No point whinging about it. We lost the game in the second quarter anyway.

Someone held off on the siren. It's a conspiracy I tell you

 

[Pedro]

Commentators justifying it by saying the umpire has to blow the whistle for a quarter to end after hearing a siren... yet if a player's having a shot from 50 out on the run and we can all hear the siren, it acts as sort of a 'buzzer beater' where we don't go by the whistle, but the exact split second of the siren. 2 sets of rules for whatever's convenient on the night!

We most likely would not have won anyway, but it had a massive effect on the game and gave the Crows the extra momentum they needed & scoreboard buffer.

I honestly believe the siren didn't sound. The crowd were loud, but not that loud.

Pretty sure there is only one rule. The umpire has to hear the siren for the end of the quarter. They didn't. Pretty simple and I'm not sure why they kept going on about it to be honest. Tough luck really

 

[Quicky]

Why does it matter? We didn't get close in the end anyway.

It matters because maybe next time we aren't close. Maybe it is the difference in winning or losing. It boggles, absolutely boggles, that this is still a field umpires call and is subject to this uncertainty. 1977 GF anyone? That was 36 years ago. Surely we have addressed this issue since then. Piss poor from the AFL that this can even be discussed as an issue.

 

[Alexander323bc]

How hard is it in 2014 to install a light NBA/NHL style that lights up the instant the siren button is pressed!

 

[Yezeha]

Speaking of commentating, I'm sick and tired of MacCavaney and Harley sucking off whoever is versions us all the time. And where the hell was Dennis? Maybe the Commetisms get annoying but at least he's not a bias *******.

 

[golazo]

Speaking of commentating, I'm sick and tired of MacCavaney and Harley sucking off whoever is versions us all the time. And where the hell was Dennis? Maybe the Commetisms get annoying but at least he's not a bias *******.

Agreed. Tom Harley seems to do it on purpose & Bruce just sits there jacking off about the opposite team

 

[TheWoodsOf72]

Speaking of commentating, I'm sick and tired of MacCavaney and Harley sucking off whoever is versions us all the time. And where the hell was Dennis? Maybe the Commetisms get annoying but at least he's not a bias *******.

Yeah MacCavaney is an idiot. He gets the players names wrong and says stupid things like tonight "One 10 minutes to go....Collingwood still in the game" when we had not kicked a goal in 30 minutes.

 

[Redlight]

Pretty sure there is only one rule. The umpire has to hear the siren for the end of the quarter. They didn't. Pretty simple and I'm not sure why they kept going on about it to be honest. Tough luck really

That's clearly not right or they'd still be playing the third quarter as we speak.

Even the umpires called for a goal review based on the fact that they didn't hear the siren. A review that was to be based on when the siren sounded, not when the umpires heard it. If the review system had sound (laughable isn't it?) then the goal would have been disallowed.

It really doesn't matter in the context of this game, but we've been robbed of a night grand final because of a stuff up like this way back in 1980. In 2006 St Kilda had two points for a draw taken off them post match when a review determined that the tie was the result of the umpires not hearing the siren.

That's 34 and 8 years respectively. They've had plenty of time to fix this, the fact that they haven't is even worse than the farce that is the video review 'system'.

It's going to cost someone big time one day. Would you like to shrug it off and hope that it won't be us?

 

[SuperSub17]

Honestly people who are saying "didn't cost us the game" are spot on...but that's not the point of the thread.

They replayed the footage without commentary and if you listen closely you can definitely hear the siren before he kicks it.

How in this day and age the review official cannot work out when the siren sounded is a ****ing disgrace.

 

[Fuzzy Happy Poo]

and they had the whole break to review it

 

[sirlothie]

I'd like to see a Grand Final decided like this. Particularly bullshit is the rule that its not the siren but the umpires whistle that closes play. If time is over, time is over.

Basketball time it to the millisecond, why can't we? Is it rugby where you can complete your play after the siren?

That the goal review couldn't work it out was a farce, made everyone look like idiots.

Rob the kid of his first goal!

 

[radiojake]

1997 Victoria Park

Quarter Time - Richard Osborne

Only difference was back then the final margin was less than 6 points --

 

[6BTS]

As an Adelaide supporter I could easily say that it didn't mean anything in the context of the game or whatever else, but the truth is from a bi-partisan stand point, this is big business and it's really unacceptable that it could possibly happen in 2014. I'd like to think it's because the Crows crowd are capable of making too much noise, but that's just rubbish.

The Siren was an issue a few weeks back at AO and they supposedly fixed the problem then, which they clearly didn't. Someone is going to have to take responsibility for this. As far as I'm aware the crowd didn't hear the siren, those on the field didn't hear it and I couldn't hear it watching it on TV.

Not good enough, who ever is responsible, whether it be the AFL, Adelaide Oval administration or the Crow's incompetent administration. I would have been dirty if I was a supporter on the receiving end of that foul up and wouldn't expect any Collingwood supporter to be happy about it.

 

[Seedsfan]

As an Adelaide supporter I could easily say that it didn't mean anything in the context of the game or whatever else, but the truth is from a bi-partisan stand point, this is big business and it's really unacceptable that it could possibly happen in 2014. I'd like to think it's because the Crows crowd are capable of making too much noise, but that's just rubbish.

The Siren was an issue a few weeks back at AO and they supposedly fixed the problem then, which they clearly didn't. Someone is going to have to take responsibility for this. As far as I'm aware the crowd didn't hear the siren, those on the field didn't hear it and I couldn't hear it watching it on TV.

Not good enough, who ever is responsible, whether it be the AFL, Adelaide Oval administration or the Crow's incompetent administration. I would have been dirty if I was a supporter on the receiving end of that foul up and wouldn't expect any Collingwood supporter to be happy about it.

This is spot on, if we lost be 5 points I would be spewing but it has not impacted the result so it is not that bad. Saying that the AFL showed a few years back that they are willing to take goals off a side if the umps haven't heard the siren I think they should do that in this case (as it could be percentage that gets us top four or not) and I think they should add one simple step in to the review system. Ask the timekeeper if he has blown the siren before or after the kick

 

[Jelly Bean]

Commentators justifying it by saying the umpire has to blow the whistle for a quarter to end after hearing a siren... yet if a player's having a shot from 50 out on the run and we can all hear the siren, it acts as sort of a 'buzzer beater' where we don't go by the whistle, but the exact split second of the siren. 2 sets of rules for whatever's convenient on the night!

We most likely would not have won anyway, but it had a massive effect on the game and gave the Crows the extra momentum they needed & scoreboard buffer.

I honestly believe the siren didn't sound. The crowd were loud, but not that loud.

We definitely wouldn't have won anyway, and it had almost no impact on the game.

We should be more worried about how we let two Adelaide players stroll into an open goal, rather than worrying about the split second between the siren and the umpires calling time.

P.S The siren definitely went before he kicked it. If you concentrate, you can hear it. But it wouldn't have changed the game, and we deserved to have the goal kicked against us anyway.

 

[Pedro]

That's clearly not right or they'd still be playing the third quarter as we speak.

One of the umpires signalled time just after the goal was kicked. Its in the rules that play ends when one of the umpires, including an emergency umpire hears the siren. Pretty simple really

 

[Pedro]

It's going to cost someone big time one day. Would you like to shrug it off and hope that it won't be us?

Kerry Good. It already has cost us. Nothing we could do about it then either

 

[Betterthenbencoon]

Jason Dunstall made a good point, why not have the clock as the thing to go by, as you can pause that and see where the ball was. The rule has always been play til the umpire whistles, but effectively that means the third quarter could have gone on if it wasn't for someone telling them.

Do not get me started on McAvaney, Harley and even Matthews. It's becoming extremely hard to watch any games with those flogs commentating.

 

[DaVe86]

The siren needs to be fixed. It didn't cost us the game this time...but we all remember the St.Kilda and Fremantle debacle which actually changed a result. In that situation, the result was actually reversed. Would've been a huge uproar if we lost by 5 points.

I think it had a bearing on the game...albeit small. I think we panicked a bit at the start of the last quarter when we just needed to dig in and try and withstand the Crows onslaught. If we were only 8 points down at 3 quarter time, then there may have been less panic. Given Adelaide's dominance, to only be 8 points down may have changed the dynamics of the game.

That said, we probably need to be more critical of the fact that with 10 seconds left, we allowed a first gamer to beat 2 seasoned big bodied Collingwood players, sidestep and kick to a loose man on the 50. After Cloke's goal to get us back to 8 points, we needed to lock the quarter down, so to allow the Crows to get that goal was dissapointing. No doubt they deserved that goal because it was brilliant play by Cameron.

 

[DaVe86]

We definitely wouldn't have won anyway, and it had almost no impact on the game.

We should be more worried about how we let two Adelaide players stroll into an open goal, rather than worrying about the split second between the siren and the umpires calling time.

P.S The siren definitely went before he kicked it. If you concentrate, you can hear it. But it wouldn't have changed the game, and we deserved to have the goal kicked against us anyway.

Exactly. You are right on all counts.

I have no doubt the siren went...but in my opinion the bigger worry is how we allowed the goal. The player strolling into goal is one concern, but Cameron on debut beating 2 Magpies was a bigger concern 5 second earlier.