The cartoons thread

[WA ROO]

But that is exactly my point - this is about some cartoons being the spark to years of simmering anger as the west tramples all over Islam.

The cartoons were originally printed three months ago without riots and murder.
Only now after Islamists living in Denmark have gone to the ME to stir up trouble.
Islamic nutcases who are just looking for an excuse for a blue have decided to attack Danish and Norwegian embassies(why Norway?)and kill people.
Now Iran is going to run cartoons denigrating the Holocaust
WTF has a Danish newspaper have to do with Jews and the Holocaust?
Islamic nutcases are looking for any excuse to take on the west,if it wasn't a cartoon published 3 months ago they would have found another reason to riot,intimidate,murder,burn and yell death to the evil ones.
Remember the evil ones are me ,you and everyone else who is not a muslim


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[ROB48]

Muslims are migrating to Western Countries not vice versa; when they arrive they are welcomed and given all the benefits available to those that already occupy the land.

Where is the Trampling over Muslim Rights, are they allowed to practice their religion, are they allowed to build their Mosques?

All that is asked in return is that they obey the law of the land and try to assimilate in to the community.

 

[Moo]

Muslims are migrating to Western Countries not vice versa; when they arrive they are welcomed and given all the benefits available to those that already occupy the land.

Where is the Trampling over Muslim Rights, are they allowed to practice their religion, are they allowed to build their Mosques?

All that is asked in return is that they obey the law of the land and try to assimilate in to the community.

Where does insulting one of the basic platforms of their religion - come into assisting this process or the fact that every 4th(ish) poster is basically saying go home or negatives words to that context?

 

[ROB48]

Where does insulting one of the basic platforms of their religion - come into assisting this process or the fact that every 4th(ish) poster is basically saying go home or negatives words to that context?

Well if you look at what I said then you wouldn't have asked the question.

Obey the law of the land, is the key to it.

The other issue is fear, they did a survey recently in Melbourne and the majority said they were frightened of anyone looking like a ME person when they were travelling on public transport.

Most said they would move if a ME looking person sat near them wearing a back pack, fear is a powerful motivator.

After London and Madrid can you expect anything else, these were supposed to be normal peace loving Muslims that turned out to be mass murderers.

 

[skipper kelly]

What imaginative history do you read?!? That's just a load of absolute crap!!

Do you believe Islam is a peaceful religion with largely peaceful followers?

 

[skipper kelly]

That is one of the best posts ever, completely ignoring all history and present day actions, someone can without blinking reckon thats the truth

Do you believe the majority of Christians are not peaceful followers of Christianity?

 

[skipper kelly]

ha ha ha.

Do you believe history has shown that the majority of Christians are not peaceful followers of Christianity?

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Do you believe history has shown that the majority of Christians are not peaceful followers of Christianity?

Like Muslims, the majority may not commit acts of violence, but they certainly offer support and approval

 

[OB1]

I agree totally.

For the record we are talking about the cartoon aren't we and not - about Iraq, bombing innocent muslims by plane, bombing innocent muslims by extremists or the 'responses' by Israel (like destroying the houses of relatives of criminals).

WTF does a cartoon published by a newpaper in Denmark & Norway have to do with Iraq You say those things like it some how justifies the actions of these rioters. Oh well the US bombed Iraq so its OK for Muslims to burn the Dannish embassy. Thats some messed up logic Moo. Do you think it would be ok for Danes in Melbourne to burn mosques because Muslims in ME burned thier embassy? Why do people like you continually look for justification for these idiots. Why is it so hard to simply look at the actions of these clowns & say they are farged in the head. Yes Muslims have a right to dissagree with the cartoons & I understand that they may be offended BUT what they need to understand is that it doesn't give them some justification to become violent. Christians were offended by the p1ss christ exhibition & made there objections well known but they didn't resort to violence to make their point & if they had of I certainly wouldn't be jumping to their defence....why do you feel the need to do it for the Muslims in this case?

 

[Qsaint]

Do you believe the majority of Christians are not peaceful followers of Christianity?

Skip he said historically, the Christian world was nearly in constant war until 1700 1800 ish and then we had ww1 and 2 last century. Peaceful Christians only appeared in the last 200 years, but even now we see the Zeal for war increasing especially amongst the US prodestant nutters

 

[OB1]

Skip he said historically, the Christian world was nearly in constant war until 1700 1800 ish and then we had ww1 and 2 last century. Peaceful Christians only appeared in the last 200 years, but even now we see the Zeal for war increasing especially amongst the US prodestant nutters

Would you say historically its just the Christian world or the world in general?
I can't think of any area that hasn't experienced a lot of conflict throughout their history.

 

[Qsaint]

Would you say historically its just the Christian world or the world in general?
I can't think of any area that hasn't experienced a lot of conflict throughout their history.

Tibet

You may be right but that still doesn't make christians peaceful

 

[Moo]

WTF does a cartoon published by a newpaper in Denmark & Norway have to do with Iraq You say those things like it some how justifies the actions of these rioters. Oh well the US bombed Iraq so its OK for Muslims to burn the Dannish embassy. Thats some messed up logic Moo. Do you think it would be ok for Danes in Melbourne to burn mosques because Muslims in ME burned thier embassy? Why do people like you continually look for justification for these idiots. Why is it so hard to simply look at the actions of these clowns & say they are farged in the head. Yes Muslims have a right to dissagree with the cartoons & I understand that they may be offended BUT what they need to understand is that it doesn't give them some justification to become violent. Christians were offended by the p1ss christ exhibition & made there objections well known but they didn't resort to violence to make their point & if they had of I certainly wouldn't be jumping to their defence....why do you feel the need to do it for the Muslims in this case?

The point was raised that violence makes resolve greater - I am agreeing that it is bad to use it as a means of achieving ones end goals, I am just pointing out that it is bad in a lot of situations that we justify. I am not linking the Iraq war to this just that we use violence as a solution as well - and when our friends use it (eg Israel - it is somehow not quite reported in the same terms).

Now, show me one post where I justify the violence or support their actions, I think you will find I consistently speak out against it - only difference is that I am consistent in two points -

(1) I dont blame an entire class of people based on the actions of a few

(2) I apply my general rules consistently regardless of R,C & C - it may look like I am defending the rioters but I doubt you will find one post where I say it is excusable or understandable.

I also get stuck into those who peddle hate and cause instability - this includes the hardline clerics but it also includes elements in the Western Media who have taken the easy option out in publishing the cartoon.

The problem on this page and in life, is people jump to the easy conclusion - I'm not supporting the Western line therefore I am supporting the hardline muslim angle. The christian/Christ example is not valid, its been explained before - think of destroying St Peter's cathedral and that is more akin to the affront felt by muslims.

I hope the one thing that comes out of this is a better understanding of Islam. The non-violent protests and messages from leading Islamic foundations on this issue have been glossed over in favour of the sensationalist...which inturn would encourage them to take that path to be noticed (this is not to be interpreted as support for thier action just a fact - peaceful protest no coverage, violent protest ...lots of coverage -PETA on steroids if you like).

Go back and search my posts and find evidence of your claims, if you can find them post it and I will happily retract, if you cant - no problems.

To summarise - violence bad, peace good - inciting hate bad, mutual understanding - good.

 

[blangerang]

so sum stupid arabs are having a sad over some danish idiot, whats that got to do with us.. im sick of those stupid arabs thinking there so good...they smell

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

so sum stupid arabs are having a sad over some danish idiot, whats that got to do with us.. im sick of those stupid arabs thinking there so good...they smell

The voice of reason has graced us with their prescence

 

[demon_dave]

and your general, broad sweeping statement is based on what? your ignorance of Islam (being very precious - it is about the worst thing you can do to mock the prophet), your personal knowledge of muslims? or just your bigotry?

all I am saying is why get so upset over a cartoon, why take things so literally, it just becomes ridiculous. And I repeat its not about religion its about having no semblance of a rewarding life and being angry about everything, poverty stricken people are easily brainwashed.

 

[Moo]

all I am saying is why get so upset over a cartoon, why take things so literally, it just becomes ridiculous. And I repeat its not about religion its about having no semblance of a rewarding life and being angry about everything, poverty stricken people are easily brainwashed.

It is about religion and the country I am in has a higher per capita income than Aus and they are upset....your theory is flawed.

 

[medusala]

It is about religion and the country I am in has a higher per capita income than Aus and they are upset....your theory is flawed.

I dont see why religion is so important. Should we not criticise the death penalty for homosexuality and apostasy simply because religion is involved?

 

[Moo]

I dont see why religion is so important. Should we not criticise the death penalty for homosexuality and apostasy simply because religion is involved?

The comment was made that this debacle was not about religion, I am simply saying it is very much about relgion because - well it is to do about religion.

The muslims are not protesting about criticism of Isalm, they are protesting about images of the prophet.

I dont understand how the death penalty etc fit in with my comments?

 

[demon_dave]

The comment was made that this debacle was not about religion, I am simply saying it is very much about relgion because - well it is to do about religion.

The muslims are not protesting about criticism of Isalm, they are protesting about images of the prophet.

I dont understand how the death penalty etc fit in with my comments?

I think its more about being totally irrational about seemily trivial things, okay muslims are serious about their religion but any 'religion' who stone people to death or cut off limbs for minor crimes are not IMO rational thinking human beings. Their behaviour over a few cartoons prove that they are foolish and unable to think logically.

 

[Moo]

I think its more about being totally irrational about seemily trivial things, okay muslims are serious about their religion but any 'religion' who stone people to death or cut off limbs for minor crimes are not IMO rational thinking human beings. Their behaviour over a few cartoons prove that they are foolish and unable to think logically.

Dave - I can see what you are trying to say and I'n not trying to be a pompous pinhead - but you have a bad case of beleiving everything you read in the press.

Again UAE and countries like it - no stoning, no limb amputation ...this is the minority not the majority.

 

[demon_dave]

Dave - I can see what you are trying to say and I'n not trying to be a pompous pinhead - but you have a bad case of beleiving everything you read in the press.

Again UAE and countries like it - no stoning, no limb amputation ...this is the minority not the majority.

and its a minority doing the rioting in the name of Islam but they are still irrational and are being spurred on by leaders using their uneducated followers as tools to push their doctrine of hatred towards the west. UAE might not stone or amputate but many do, I would say UAE are a minority in the muslim world.

 

[Qsaint]

It is about religion and the country I am in has a higher per capita income than Aus and they are upset....your theory is flawed.

Its less than the GDP per capita of AUstralia and the highest in the ME, Bahrain is less than 1/2 and Saudi Arabia less than a 1/3 of AUstralia. It must be mentioned that its an inacurate measure as wealth in UAE is in the hands of a few, and that includes rich foreigners

 

[Moo]

Is this OK under Freedom of Speech?

I would say no but others may/may not agree

From today's West -

Outcry over funeral protests
WASHINGTON

US legislators are rushing to limit when and where people can protest at funerals, spurred by a small fundamentalist Christian Church that has picketed soldiers’ burials.
The Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kansas, began picketing the funerals of AIDS victims in the 1990s with protest signs reading “God Hates ****”.
But politicians are paying more attention now that Church members have protested at the burials of soldiers killed in Afghanistan and Iraq. The protesters condemn them for fighting for the US, a country they say harbours homosexuals.
Legislation is being considered in at least 14 States, with several Bills moving quickly. If they pass, the Bills could set up a clash between privacy and free speech rights. Court challenges are almost certain.
“We’re not proposing to silence the speech of the Westboro Baptist Church, as offensive as most of us find that,” Kansas State Senator Derek Schmidt, a Republican, said. He was trying to achieve a balance that respected “the rights of families to bury their dead in peace”.
The Church has about 75 members, most of them belonging to the extended family of Westboro Baptist’s pastor, the Rev. Fred Phelps. The Church is an independent congregation that preaches a literal reading of the Bible.
Shirley Phelps-Roper, Mr Phelps’ daughter and a lawyer for the Church, said States could not interfere with their message that the soldiers were struck down by God because they were fighting for a country that harboured homosexuals and adulterers. She said: “If they pass a law that gets in our way, they will be violating the Constitution and we will sue them for that.”
Some of the Bills specify noisy, disruptive behaviour or signs with “fighting words”. Some bar protests within one or two hours before or after a funeral starts, others specify distances. Some include both. Violations can bring fines and jail time.
Legislation against funeral protests was introduced in West Virginia last month after Westboro Baptist members demonstrated outside a memorial for 12 men killed in the Sago mine disaster in January.
The protesters held signs reading “Thank God for Dead Miners”, “God Hates Your Tears” and “Miners in Hell”, arguing that the miners’ deaths were a sign of God’s wrath at the US for tolerating gays.

 

[Qsaint]

Those nutters are threatning wait for it .....................to go to court

Where's the death threats, burning of embasies etc?