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I think for a while Australia was at Qtr to 12, where midnight is the end.

The selectors were riding on the work done in the late 80s rebuilding Australian cricket after defections, rebel tours and retirements of some greats.

For those who remember that era, they shuffled the deck chairs over and over again, guys would come in for a series or two, sometimes a test match or two.

Then alan border put his foot down and started building a team. Apparently there was a move to shut down this upstart queenslander by ACB and replace him with Dirk wellham according to some. He and the cricket team at the time, led by a powerful person in Bob Simpson started rebuilding, sometimes against the direction and wishes of the ACB.

Took some risks, Warne, steve Waugh being two, both went on to become legends of the game.

The last 5 years, the selectors have been doing a mid 80s reshuffle.

The captain was selected 5 or 6 seasons ago, and isn't anywhere near the legend status of Border but is building his reputation.

He has his favourites, and much like the rebuild, its coming of the back of the bowling. McDermott, Reid, Hughes, Reiffel, Fleming, a young raw mcgrath, Warne May, later gillespie and lee could fish out our batting out of any issue.

Later, our batsman became the dominant force in international cricket, batting down to 7 with the legendary Gilchrist with contributing runs from 8 and 9.

Perhaps some of these guys have hung on a bit longer, the Academy doesn't seem to be churning out the champions it used to be.

I would say, with some home, that Australia is on the dawn of a great era, on the back of our bowling.

Cummins, Pattinson are exciting prospects. Harris is the 'old man' but still a powerful force bowling at or around 150km with accuracy. siddle is the stayer, the mcdermott or hughes leading in the younger bowlers. hilfenhaus has made a strong statement for a position in the team.

Starc after a forgettable start, has shown his wears at the WACA, it remains to see whether its the WACA pitch or he is the real deal.

In the background is young mcdermott, hazlewood and others showing something.

With regard to batting, Punter and Hussey are struggling. They are legends as well, but clearly on the decline. Its questionable whether hussey will finish with an average above 50.

Warner and Cowans are in reasonable form, are they smashing a weak attack or the real deal? I would think Cowans will be more useful against the brits than Warner if he can't control himself. they aren't the pie chuckers the Indians are, and far more disciplined that them.

Clarke is an international class batsman. This series has been weird, a massive triple century, setting up a powerful win and nothing in the other innings so far.

Watson is injury prone but batting at 40 and bowling at 30, and his age is counting against him.

Haddin is seen as clearly the weakest link in the side, his keeping is only just above akmal and his batting below siddle and hilfenhaus, he's a no.9 atm.

Victoria is touting a few young batsmen, but none of them justify test selection, and its 'stars' are the WA imports rogers and hussey and both of test quality but well into their mid 30s.

NSW has some young guns but form is intermittent, maddinson, khawaja are two players that look the goods.

I would say the time in Aus is about 5.00 am, about an hour to go till dawn.

We need to improve our fielding, and our batting, and we will be challenging for the no.1 spot. Our batting and fielding is well below that of border and Steve Waugh's team. I don't think clarke carries the same authority of Waugh. I think a bit like taylor's team where waistlines increased and standards slipped. Waugh brought real steel to the team. I hope clarke can bring that steel or the next captain who is yet to emerge.

I must say, I loved the way Waugh executed teams, it was up there with lloyds team of the 80s, merciless. Similarly people said the WI and australia were killing cricket, i loved it.

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These are the SAME issues India and Sri Lanka have to face. Both have superstar batsman in their mid to late 30s that are fading. Tendulkar is a god in india. For SL and India its 10 past midnight, their clock is closed. They may score some runs in flat tracks, there is class there still, but its fading, as is the light in their teams.

Unless the can get the renewal that Australia is going through they will suffer.

We all remember the 20 years of misery we dished out to the brits, because they reshuffled the deck chairs for nearly 2 decades, gatting coming out to bat with a zimmer and front bad about 3 foot wide, gooch, stewart etc all well past their prime in their 40s.

They made the hard decisions, cut their fat and picked a team on form and drilled them with discipline, and drop players who don't perform.
 
Not sure you were capable of a non VIC biased post however you have nailed it here.

It's a shame our selection process was so conservative 3-4 years ago, we could have seen a more seemless transition.. However we haven't waited long to be climbing well up the ladder..

Despite being a friend of Haddin's back in the JNR days and playing in rep and club sides with him, blind freddy can see that his time is up. Selectors seem to be waiting for Payne to recover from injury rather than giving Wade a crack and seeing if he can step up at the highest level.
 
Sorry for my ignorance, and it may sound silly, but whats this "clock analogy" business? I'm confused

was used in footy, to say when your window of opportunity is open. Once past midnight you are on the downward slide.
 

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Ahh, right. Hadn't heard it before.

Well I think we're going the right way about it. The amount of change in the side has been huge. for the better aswell.
 
Took some risks, Warne, steve Waugh being two, both went on to become legends of the game.


This one is interesting. Yes, the selectors took some risks - Waugh in 85 - and he didn't become good until 89. Healy in 88 - didn't really become good until about 92. Warne in 92 - came good in 93.

But the recent selectors also took some risks - Steve Smith - hasn't worked. Krezja, Beer - haven't worked. Cummins/Pattinson - working so far (but Cummins has only played one test). Mike Hussey was a risk - 30-year old shield journeyman with a good county record.

The selectors have always taken a few risks - when they don't come off they get ridiculed, when they do they are geniuses. Tough gig.
 
This one is interesting. Yes, the selectors took some risks - Waugh in 85 - and he didn't become good until 89. Healy in 88 - didn't really become good until about 92. Warne in 92 - came good in 93.

But the recent selectors also took some risks - Steve Smith - hasn't worked. Krezja, Beer - haven't worked. Cummins/Pattinson - working so far (but Cummins has only played one test). Mike Hussey was a risk - 30-year old shield journeyman with a good county record.

The selectors have always taken a few risks - when they don't come off they get ridiculed, when they do they are geniuses. Tough gig.

It is.

I would have persisted with Khawaja though.

To me he just seems to have all the pieces of being a great batsman.

I'd also throw the ball at O'Keefe.

Mike Hussey had a great County record, he also had a pretty damn good state shield record as well. IMO should have been in the side a couple years earlier.

There was another reason from dropping kreja after such a truncated career I suspect. Beer didn't look threatening, his selection was bizarre.

also in the era of building a team, their were a lot of players in the shield competition who were just not doing anything, averaging in the mid 30s and getting called up.

The talent pool seems richer now compared to what was available then.

The problem many folks have is that selection seems whimsical rather than based on team needs or talent.

I think this is changing.

I remember Border too put his foot down and stuck by players like Jones, marsh, s.waugh, healy and warne. I guess clarke is putting his foot down and sticking by Haddin.

That said Haddin is 34 and not 24 which is an issue.
 
Hussey had scored over 7,000 runs at Shield level (albeit at 41) to go with his excellent County record and ODI peformances. Should've been in contention during the 2005 Ashes.

I think the selectors will persist with Khawaja and Marsh, the problem is that they want to keep Ponting and Hussey around who are 37 and 36 respectively.

I reckon Haddin would be goneski if Paine were fit. He has been earmarked as the successor for some time so the timing of his injury has been very unlucky. Surely Wade will come into contention soon given Paine is likely to be out at least a few more months.
 
Hussey had scored over 7,000 runs at Shield level (albeit at 41) to go with his excellent County record and ODI peformances. Should've been in contention during the 2005 Ashes.


Hussey was a risk - and the selectors giot it right when they picked him. Good. But he was a long shot. his averages in the 5 previous seasons in Australia were 30, 34, 38, 41 and 60, Ok, he's improving, and he was smashing them in County cricket, but there's no way he was bashing ther door down. Brad Hodge (sorry) has a far better Shield record and just as good a county record. Marcus North looked every bit as good as Hussey and was several years younger. There were other young batsmen who were possibly worth a punt.

No problems - the selectors have their job because they are supposed to know how to recognise talent. Shane Warne was about as threatening as your granny for his first few games, but they stuck with him.

With what we know now - Hussey would have been great in the 2005 ashes. But he was not really in the frame for selection at the time.
 
The Indian bowling attack has the makings of a good one. Yadav is their Siddle, Zaheer is the second best bowler in the world and Ashwin troubled us in the first game. Sharma is the weak link atm. Apart from the Sydney game they have performed well enough and they have induced a number of collapses in our batting.

We have to give some of the backup batsmen more experience as if everything falls to pieces with Ponting and Hussey come the away Ashes series, there is no room to try a replacement as we'll be into the home Ashes series.
 

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