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Brishawk said:
Why did they pick Voges ahead of Burns? Voges has been incredible at FC last couple of years but at 35 he has about 12 months of cricket left in him if he is actually even good enough (no guarantee as Sheild cricket is a step down) where as Burns is the future and he scored two half centuries in his last test match and a match winning 135* in his last shield match. Why not stick with him?
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Averaging 100+ in the shield season, Voges was picked purely for his run scoring abilities. It's the way it should be, regardless of age. Also Voges is in the Ashes squad, Burns is not. Voges is a proven run scorer in England, and deserves his place
 
TBoyleSuperstar said:
It's a good question. Liked burns. However, why bother having a second tier comp where players play to win a baggy green, and not reward the blokes who makes the most with one?
Plus, he's been good for many years. Voges does deserve his chance
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But it only begs the question as to why Burns was picked in the first place. IT really stinks of an inconsistent selection policy which is not going to give the likes of Burns confidence in where he stands with the selectors. Incredible effort by Voges to notch his maiden test century on debut so he has no doubt justified selection however the dropping of burns and golden pass for Watson really doesn't appear to be the result of a merit-based selection policy or a policy that looks towards the future. Its just plain confusing.
 
Voges knock was undoubtedly one of the all-time great test hundreds - and I'm not talking just on debut. He's basically won us the game off his own bat. An unbelievable effort. With Rogers returning next test, he needs to come in as as straight swap for Watson heading into the Ashes.
 

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Brishawk said:
But it only begs the question as to why Burns was picked in the first place. IT really stinks of an inconsistent selection policy which is not going to give the likes of Burns confidence in where he stands with the selectors. Incredible effort by Voges to notch his maiden test century on debut so he has no doubt justified selection however the dropping of burns and golden pass for Watson really doesn't appear to be the result of a merit-based selection policy or a policy that looks towards the future. Its just plain confusing.
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Hopefully we are handling it better than previously and letting burns know where he stands. That being said, maybe it's a clear message, make runs in the shield and you're a chance.
In regards to Watson, God knows how he just keeps getting picked on the results he produces. One of life mysteries
 
Bedi said:
Voges knock was undoubtedly one of the all-time great test hundreds - and I'm not talking just on debut. He's basically won us the game off his own bat. An unbelievable effort. With Rogers returning next test, he needs to come in as as straight swap for Watson heading into the Ashes.
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Terrific hundred, and yes, significant in the context of the match. All time great's... I don't think so. To qualify for that status, you need to be making the runs against the best in adverse conditions or in epic contests... or simply be the most sublime al la Garry Sobers' 254 for the World XI against Australia in 72.
 
Langford4FBOTC said:
Terrific hundred, and yes, significant in the context of the match. All time great's... I don't think so. To qualify for that status, you need to be making the runs against the best in adverse conditions or in epic contests... or simply be the most sublime al la Garry Sobers' 254 for the World XI against Australia in 72.
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Honestly he single handedly won us that game. I can't remember another test century by an Australian where that's happened. It may not have been the prettiest of innings, but seriously deserves to be remembered as one of the best in recent times. It's a big call i know.
Also i'd contend the conditions were adverse given West Indies were bowled at for 146, and we were struggling at 6/130 with Bishoo turning it a mile.
 
Bedi said:
Honestly he single handedly won us that game. I can't remember another test century by an Australian where that's happened. It may not have been the prettiest of innings, but seriously deserves to be remembered as one of the best in recent times. It's a big call i know.
Also i'd contend the conditions were adverse given West Indies were bowled at for 146, and we were struggling at 6/130 with Bishoo turning it a mile.
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Very easy to be blinded by the immediacy of the moment. Step back and place some historical context and it becomes nothing more than a man of the match performance. Pretty special debut and will be remembered in history for that fact, but one of the greatest test hundreds of all time is guilding the lilly.
A 3 day thumping of the 8th ranked test side sums it up in my mind. Bishoo might be able to spin the ball, but he ain't no master of flight like a Warne or Bedi or Chandrasekhar.
Steve Smith has held the Aussie batting together recently with some innings I'd rate as equal or better than Voges, but even then, I wouldn't be placing them up there with the greatest of all time.
There have been some amazing bowling line ups throughout the history of test cricket. I'd be looking at hundreds made against those attacks in their prime to fill my greatest innings list.
 
It took twelve tests for Steve Smith to score his first century. He now has 9 in the past 17 test matches. Since that time he has score 1849 runs at 77.04. Once he has made 50 runs in an innings he has only gotten out for less than 100 4 times in that period. That is a rate of 2.25 centuries per half century. Incredible!
 
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While I am in the mood for stats, Watson's average peaked at 40 after scoring 95 against England back in 2010. With his average sitting around 35 he doesn't appear to have fallen far from his peak however there is more to the story. Watson's average was hovering in the low 20s up until the summer season 09/10. Beginning from This summer (opening the season with a duck) Watson's average was at or above 50 (peaking at 79 in the 4th test of that summer) for almost the entire period from the beginning of the 09/10 summer to the end of the 10/11 summer (an ashes year). From there his average (beginning with the summer of 09/10) declines on virtually an innings by innings basis a full 12.6 runs. Focusing just on the period following the summer of 10/11 Watson's average was under 30 for the majority of the next two years and despite some improved form since his 176 against England (he has averaged 36 since that innings), he has not been able to lift his average in the past 3.5 years above 31. So essentially one good 12 month period (plus the all important ability to bowl) has provided Watson with a 58 test career to date in which he averaged 29.22 across all tests outside of that golden 12 months. Surely a good batsman who can throw down a few pies would have been better!
 
So Brishawk, your team for the 1st test at Cardiff - Rogers for Marsh or Rogers for Watson & have Marsh at 4, Clarke at 5 (or vice versa) & Voges at 6?

I think Hazelwood is our trump card this tour, though the Starc inswinging yorker will take some beating.
 
Brishawk said:
It took twelve tests for Steve Smith to score his first century. He now has 9 in the past 17 test matches. Since that time he has score 1849 runs at 77.04. Once he has made 50 runs in an innings he has only gotten out for less than 100 4 times in that period. That is a rate of 2.25 centuries per half century. Incredible!
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Starting to wonder how long he can keep up this form. Is it just a hot streak, or is this the level we should become accustomed to with him? If he keeps this up . . . .
 
Lethality said:
Starting to wonder how long he can keep up this form. Is it just a hot streak, or is this the level we should become accustomed to with him? If he keeps this up . . . .
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I've had this discussion with a couple of mates & we're of the opinion that Smith sees the ball very early, knows his own game inside out & has very clean footwork. His scores over the past tests, on a variety of surfaces, shows to me that this is the level we can be confident with him.

To do it in the Poms own backyard will just elevate him higher. He's no Doug Walters (though I was a huge Dougie fan).
 

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moginie said:
I've had this discussion with a couple of mates & we're of the opinion that Smith sees the ball very early, knows his own game inside out & has very clean footwork. His scores over the past tests, on a variety of surfaces, shows to me that this is the level we can be confident with him.

To do it in the Poms own backyard will just elevate him higher. He's no Doug Walters (though I was a huge Dougie fan).
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He performed in England in the 2013 series, though maybe not at the levels he is at now, still very good.
 
Lethality said:
He performed in England in the 2013 series, though maybe not at the levels he is at now, still very good.
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Given his form since that series, he's now set himself a new benchmark to reach. I think he'll do it.
 
Brishawk said:
While I am in the mood for stats, Watson's average peaked at 40 after scoring 95 against England back in 2010. With his average sitting around 35 he doesn't appear to have fallen far from his peak however there is more to the story. Watson's average was hovering in the low 20s up until the summer season 09/10. Beginning from This summer (opening the season with a duck) Watson's average was at or above 50 (peaking at 79 in the 4th test of that summer) for almost the entire period from the beginning of the 09/10 summer to the end of the 10/11 summer (an ashes year). From there his average (beginning with the summer of 09/10) declines on virtually an innings by innings basis a full 12.6 runs. Focusing just on the period following the summer of 10/11 Watson's average was under 30 for the majority of the next two years and despite some improved form since his 176 against England (he has averaged 36 since that innings), he has not been able to lift his average in the past 3.5 years above 31. So essentially one good 12 month period (plus the all important ability to bowl) has provided Watson with a 58 test career to date in which he averaged 29.22 across all tests outside of that golden 12 months. Surely a good batsman who can throw down a few pies would have been better!
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Surprised he didn't go on to score 100. He normally does when all heat's been taken out of the game. With Rogers to come back and Voges' proven form in England, let's hope there's no room for Watson come the Ashes. And if they did insist on playing an 'allrounder' hopefully Mitch Marsh can step up to take that spot.
 

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I remember watching Matty Elliot when he got the 199. It's a harsh thing to happen.
 
Windies 2/16 at stumps Day 3, chasing 392. Even though they're screwed, I still reckon it was a generous declaration with 2 days to go. Could've gone on to 450-500 lead i reckon. Unless there's rain forecast, that is.
 
Bedi said:
Windies 2/16 at stumps Day 3, chasing 392. Even though they're screwed, I still reckon it was a generous declaration with 2 days to go. Could've gone on to 450-500 lead i reckon. Unless there's rain forecast, that is.
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They'd be eyeing a day of leisure Jamaican style on Monday.
 
Langford4FBOTC said:
They'd be eyeing a day of leisure Jamaican style on Monday.
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Or in this age, a day of rehab then straight on the plane home
Bravo and Dowrich are no slouches, so hopefully they can put together a decent partnership to make a game of this. No doubt they'll be driven by 2003 when they successfully chased 400 odd to beat us. I bet they're regretting not playing Chanderpaul now.
 
never in doubt.

The Windies are putrid
 

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