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The Downward Spiral

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And the worst thing is ... it is not all that unexpected, either by the many skeptics of the Richmond Football Club, or indeed by many of us that have seen it all before.

You know, promising start to the year, including some good wins - and they were good wins, no matter what anyone says of the lack of quality of the opposition! - a handful of well-placed injuries, followed by a couple of months of sub-standard performances and subsequent heartbreak, before we get it together in the last month and have two or three good wins, allowing us to ponder again what could have been as we watch eight other teams enjoying September action.

Forget the "Subiaco hangover".

Forget the injury toll - we had 18 guys on the field at all times last night (and the Swans went in without O'Loughlin and Saddington).

Basically, they just wanted it more, and made more correct decisions in achieving it.

Strangely, it was after Round 8 last year that we also imploded, going from 4-4 to a disastrous 4-13 a couple of months later.

And, like last year, we are going into a make or break, 'season-game' on a Friday at Telstra against the Roos. It's the sort of game which will decide whether we'll play finals in 2003. Which is indicative of where we're really at - an average team who, with an ounce of luck, will finish Top 8, or without this same luck will finish Bottom 8.

Last night's loss was the first really bad loss of the season - Collingwood were coming off appearances in both the day-2002 and pre-season-2003 grand finals; Port at Port was a respectable loss; and West Coast over there have also proved to be quite insurmountable, so each of those losses, while not entirely acceptable, were quite understandable. The Swans loss was simply a terrible loss - they will not be a final four team, and they were a long way from home with a history of losing such matches.

So when was the last time we had a really big win? You know, beating a top team on their terms or turf. The Essendon win in Round 22, 2001 was very good, but they may have been looking further forward during that game. Carlton in the Semi of the same year was another very good win, but we had been above them on the ladder all year, so it was one we should have won. So when was our last really big win then? Certainly not in the past 18 months. We MUST now start to have big wins, or be resigned to once again finishing mid-table.

Even if it's just to silence those cynics who are EXPECTING us to implode, even though we can't really blame them for thinking so.
 
We had to win last night.

In the next two weeks we have the Roos and the Blues. Two hungry teams that want wins especially the roos. I think its Adelaide and Brisbane after that and both away. We could be looking at 6 losses in a row. Its a bit harsh but the Tigers, well, they should have won last night.
 
Well said Ghost, I agree with most of what you said.

Perhaps I'm being a bit harsh here but I'm quite disappointed with how Johnson played last night. Maybe he was injured, I don't know but we really needed a good game from him and he didn't deliver. While serviceable, Coughlan was also beaten by his opponent last night and the game was tailor made for in-and-under type players. And I may as well include Richo in that group as well. Wasted his opportunites and should have provided more leadership.

We are never going to be a contender if our top players cannot perform against quality opposition, something they haven't done for as long as I can remember.
 
Johnson and Coughlan were both clearly beaten last night by Kirk and J.Bolton.

Johnson's been great this year but its got to be remebered this his first season of being tagged by the oppostion's best stopper week in week out, so IMO its got to be expected that he is going to beaten on a few occasions like he was last night. The challenge for Johnson is to be able to be like a Buckley or Voss and still get the 20+ touches week in week out despite being tagged.
 

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Originally posted by TigerFurious

Perhaps I'm being a bit harsh here but I'm quite disappointed with how Johnson played last night. Maybe he was injured, I don't know but we really needed a good game from him and he didn't deliver. While serviceable, Coughlan was also beaten by his opponent last night and the game was tailor made for in-and-under type players.
and what both cougs and johnson havnt done nothing all year?:rolleyes: one game they havnt performed and your jumping down their throats.
if your going to be harsh on these two then why are the likes of bowden get off scott free?

cheers!
 
Originally posted by tiger of old
and what both cougs and johnson havnt done nothing all year?:rolleyes: one game they havnt performed and your jumping down their throats.
if your going to be harsh on these two then why are the likes of bowden get off scott free?

cheers!
You can't rely on two midfielders to do the job everyweek.

I thought Bowden was a little better last night. Although I believe he was Nicks' man when was about 20 metres clear and kicked the goal early in the third.
 
Dont you worry Tiger Of Old im sure alot of Richmond supporters dislike Bowden and put blame on him. Fiora is maturing a bit, he should be getting a few more possessions then what he does.

Fleming should have a lot more game time. When he did get the ball he was fantastic. Hes hard and has a beautiful kick.
 
Originally posted by rfctigerarmy
Dont you worry Tiger Of Old im sure alot of Richmond supporters dislike Bowden and put blame on him. Fiora is maturing a bit, he should be getting a few more possessions then what he does.

Fleming should have a lot more game time. When he did get the ball he was fantastic. Hes hard and has a beautiful kick.
bowden is the new daffy as far as tiger supportes go with good reason but totally opposite to daffy.daffy got the ball but couldnt dispose of it properly if his life depended on it where bowden has all the skill in the world but goes into goofy mode to often.
as for fiora he,s been dissapointing considering how high he went in the draft.

cheers!
 
THE BOYS WERE buggered

it was obvious the week before affected them.

They were getting beaten to contests...they were stuffed.

I've got no doubt that the style of game we played against ess/melb/hawthorn will be back against north.

Don't anyone panic.

:cool:
 
Originally posted by tiger of old
bowden is the new daffy as far as tiger supportes go with good reason but totally opposite to daffy.daffy got the ball but couldnt dispose of it properly if his life depended on it where bowden has all the skill in the world but goes into goofy mode to often.

...


Also, in fairness to Daffy, his last few seasons were wracked due to injury.
 
A few weeks into this season, I commented that I would be happy if we turned at the halfway mark with a 50/50 win-loss record. At this stage it will probably be 7 - 4 and can be no worse than 6 - 5 so that is as good as could be hoped for.

That said, there is no doubt that there was a form slump on Saturday.

There were 2 things that we did wrong:

  1. Our workrate was shocking.
  2. There was also a lack of any leadership out there.

Too often, Sydney had more numbers around the ball - a good sign of a team running harder - while we were going half paced. Our efforts in tackling were deplorable, being at best a token effort to grab the jumper and not work hard.

Richo would have to be the main culprit in the leadership void. OK, giving Maxfield that shove was stupid but that wasn't really the problem. What was a bigger concern was that he looked like he had spat the dummy after being dragged. He got a kick on 50 not long after coming back on and instead of going through the routine of measuring his kick, he just tried to hoof it off 3 steps, spraying it badly and missing the lot.

What kind of message did this send to the rest of the team? (IMV, this is why he should never be captain)

Also, after he ****ed this up, someone should have gone to him and told him to stop being suck a *****head - Leon Cameron would've seemed the most likely.

The other aspect of leadership that was lacking was the absence of anyone willing to be a midfield General. As a result, a lot of the decision making was terrible. Having an open field to play to then handball back to someone in a poor position, often resulting in turnovers.

This is sadly where me miss Campbell. I've no doubt if he was out there, he would be telling players what they should be doing. In his absence, I would have expected the likes of Cameron or Johnson to step up. Sadly, didn't seem to happen.

At this stage, the situation is far from desperate but they better bloody pull their fingers out!
 

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I just cant understand some of you ferals. Do you actually believe that we, or any other side (except Brisbane) can go through a whole season without a slump? Wouldnt you rather a few losses now, rather than the business end of the year. Remember we are 6/4, not 4/6.
 
As a Kangaroos supporter I believe Richmond has a 60% chance of winning this weekend and should go in as favourites despite the last two losses.

I was at the Richmond vs Sydney game and their clearance from the middle and run was really ordinary.

I do believe teams do not run well after coming back from Perth, particularly early in the season when it is alot warmer there and the surface is hard and sandy. When we played Fremantle it was 30 degrees and we came up the following week and played Carlton and made the slowest team in the AFL look fast.

If any team wanted to win a game, it was us against both Carlton and Adelaide the following week. I think the Perth games take alot out of those playing, especially on the older guys.

Richmond also suffers like us in that we both have 5 interstate games this year, we both play Fremantle, West Coast, Adelaide, Port Adelaide and Brisbane away.

It is going to be hard to get the 12 wins plus good percentage with so many near unwinable away games.

We are both dropping games to teams that we should be beating and that will most likely make it hard to be in the action come September.

That is not a huge issue for us, most 'experts' expected us to finish dead last so being around the eight would be a good achievement with our list.

I still think Richmond is capable of playing alot better, they have a good list. If Richmond stays close to the eight and gets the key players back into the team and playing well before the end of the year then they could do very well.

Unfortunately, the tigers are a team much like Richo, the whole team runs on confidence. When it is high they play like champions, but when they lack the confidence they really look like they can't beat a VFL team.

I hope we get over Richmond, but I do wish your team the best of luck this year. They need to shake the many years of underperformance and get into the habbit of establishing a high standard for themselves.

I think the biggest problem at Richmond is there are few players that have had any long-term period of success, there is too much pressure on too few to carry the load when the pressure is on and thats something Frawley needs to work on for the Tigers to be a real force.
 
guys guys guys

Now some would have us believe that the end is nigh, and the team ... coach and all ! deserve to be given the firing squad,
so we can all go an barrack for another side

I DONT THINK SO !!!

Richmond fc is the side i barrack for and i feel bad for the guys when they lose cos i know they tried and maybe the loss might cost them a place in senior footy. but in the same breath i feel great when they win. in the end how useless they are doesnt interest me coz they are not useless they are a team that play in comp that in my life has seen fairer days
 
Originally posted by CJH


That said, there is no doubt that there was a form slump on Saturday.

There were 2 things that we did wrong:

  1. Our workrate was shocking.
  2. There was also a lack of any leadership out there.


The workrate was a big concern especially from our midfield. We were relying on the likes of Chaffey and Tivendale to provide from the half-back line that was sorely lacking from the midfield.

And the problem only got worse as the game wore on. I knew we were gone early in the last quarter because our workrate had disintergrated. Whenever Richmond disposed of the ball into the midfield, it came straight back because every time the Swans had more numbers to the ball (often 3 to 1). This was due to a combination of the midfielders not running hard enough and the forwards not leading far enough up the ground.
 
Originally posted by diggler
I just cant understand some of you ferals. Do you actually believe that we, or any other side (except Brisbane) can go through a whole season without a slump? Wouldnt you rather a few losses now, rather than the business end of the year. Remember we are 6/4, not 4/6.

Digby is right on all accounts... some of you guys believe we should be playing like Brisbane. we lose 2 games and you pull out the knife. Short memories..we had a slump in 2001...but maybe you forget that. We still made the finals.

Stop expecting to win every game and just support the team. FFS..we are 6 - 4 and only 1 win off second.

As for the game on Saturday night..they looked flat, and not hard..their skills were ok..but they did not get the ball due to effort. But it was one game..what about 2 weeks ago..everyone was jumping up and down how good the team was against Melbourne.

LC_15
 
Eggsakterliee!!!

Originally posted by LC_15 Short memories..we had a slump in 2001...but maybe you forget that. We still made the finals.

Stop expecting to win every game and just support the team. FFS..

LC_15 [/B]
its good this way ... we win its so much better. not like boring brisso who are good, but are starting to make the afl look a little foolish
:mad: :cool: :) go tigers tfft
 

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The downward spiral continues ...

Can't bring myself to watch the second half on the teev now that I'm aware we've been beaten from the radio coverage.

We are now officially back with the pack, and have wasted the good wins of earlier in the year ...

A very disappointing loss. Probably the season killer, to be honest.
 
Season?

6/5 would have been OK at the start of the season. However, losing 3 in a row makes the team ordinary.

Whether it's the season killer depends on what the expectations for the season were.
 
Well I worked up the courage to watch the last quarter after all ... the game that got away.

And now we've lost Gas for the season as well !!

Interesting to see the umps had a sense of occasion for Jason McCartney in those last five minutes ... never really complain about them usually, but there was a series of distastrous decisions and especially non-decisions in the final three minutes ... the rule of multiple players of the same team diving on the ball simultaneously had obviously been altered for the occasion.

Oh well, there was worse games to lose, when you see the look on Jason McCartney's face after the game.
 
What's wrong with A.K playing in front of McCartney? Is there some rule down at Punt Rd that says as a backman you can't play in front and back yourself in?

Where did Wells come from with that tackle on Rodan? Hard lesson to learn for him but I hope is learns from it.
 
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its all over for the tiges in '03, the gas is gone full knee reco, fiora has damaged an ankle, johnson couldnt run with the achiles.......and of course we couldnt get over the line in a do or die game, although truth be told how can i begrudge mcCartney his nite in the spotlight especially considering it was his last game...........wot goes round comes round, we certainly deserve our turn of the wheel at some stage!!!!!


on a positive note bowden played prob the best game iv seen him play for many a game.......richo did well pulled in abt 10-11 marks

that tackle by wells on rodan, spud should be ashamed of himself for pulling the rat off the ground,,,, to use his words he likes his players to back themselves in and ofcourse they r going to get caught at times........pulling roden off after that is playing with fire & can stifle his confidence....next time he may hesitate, we dont want that, ok he got caught but he took a risk and id much rather that, than a side full of fairies..........


we miss cambo bigtime
 
Originally posted by tigerT
pulling roden off after that is playing with fire & can stifle his confidence....

He'll get ample opportunties to "unstifle his confidence" up at Coburg next week.

Such a transgression of the team rules will almost certainly see Rodan dumped for the first time.
 

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