Mega Thread The Flat Earth Mega thread.

[cannot]

I disagree with you, that explaining that the Earth isn't flat, comes from radical extremist Jesuits.
I also disagree that I made anything up.

I definitely don't think that, and I don't believe I stated that.

In fact, I think the only time I've ever mentioned jesuits is in reply to your posts.

you do understand the conversation was in regards to china and the chinese world view (pre jesuit missionaries)

the last few mins

 

[Watchyourwaite]

you do understand the conversation was in regards to china and the chinese world view (pre jesuit missionaries)

the last few mins

I definitely do. I'll quote all of the posts about it, so you don't have to read it again.

It's possible that some Chinese once thought (as did many others) that the world was flat. But as knowledge/science advanced, and tests, research, and experiments were conducted, people learned that the Earth was not flat. Much like people learned that there were islands across the ocean, that they didn't know existed before they traveled.

no, what happened was the radical, extremist, mass murdering Jesuits rocked up and told them otherwise

dont make things up please

and yet you are strongly confident the Chinese ... did not think earth was flat

I definitely don't think that, and I don't believe I stated that.

In fact, I think the only time I've ever mentioned jesuits is in reply to your posts.

 

[kane249]

why did the chinese think the earth was flat (prior to jesuit propaganda)

are they just dumb people ?

People used to think smoking was good for your health once upon a time too.

Just because something was once believed to be true, doesn't make it so.

Or is smoking causing cancer/emphysema etc also Jesuit propaganda?

 

[darthbards]

Just because something was once believed to be true, doesn't make it so.

This is true. If or when mankind can reach a respectable level of intelligence we will no longer have the need to follow faiths such as science or religion through closed and blinded eyes.
If we enter a phase of true inteiiigence we will be able to confidently believe in what we know and understand rather than basing our knowledge on unproven theories and stories, as is the current situation we still find ourselves in,in far to many regards.

 

[little graham]

This is true. If or when mankind can reach a respectable level of intelligence we will no longer have the need to follow faiths such as science or religion through closed and blinded eyes.
If we enter a phase of true inteiiigence we will be able to confidently believe in what we know and understand rather than basing our knowledge on unproven theories and stories, as is the current situation we still find ourselves in,in far to many regards.

You're on the right track. You're not far away from recognizing religion is the application of science.

 

[Watchyourwaite]

The idea that science is religion is an interesting topic, and I think you should make an individual thread for the robust discussion.

It would be interesting to find out if religion is being used as an insult, or if it's something you really believe, and have reasoning for.

 

[darthbards]

You're on the right track. You're not far away from recognizing religion is the application of science.

I believe we could be entering an era where science,or more precisely pure science,will no longer be needed and will therefor no longer have a place.
Our transformation into a far more advanced and intelligent being could come very quickly from this point making the world we live in today an ancient society in a very short period of time.
When reflecting back on our ancient society science will be looked upon as an important part of our transformation but it will have no part to play in the modern world.
Will religion have a part to play in our modern world? Perhaps,but it should be acknowledged that the survival of religion is far greater than that of science in a modern universe.
As stated previously,I'm not a religious person,I just haven't closed off my mind to the existence of a creator,who or what that might be I have no idea at this point in time.

 

[little graham]

I believe we could be entering an era where science,or more precisely pure science,will no longer be needed and will therefor no longer have a place.

Astrology is pure science. it is also religion. It's measurements precise. The indigenous here were astrologists thousands of years ago, their measurements precise. They obviously has access to technology.

Remember, their measurements precise and they also said the earth was round.

 

[darthbards]

Astrology is pure science. it is also religion. It's measurements precise. The indigenous here were astrologists thousands of years ago, their measurements precise. They obviously has access to technology.

Remember, their measurements precise and they also said the earth was round.

I believe it is the advancement of technology that will take our existence into the modern era and make this one we are currently living an ancient world.
What that means we discover I have no idea.
What do you believe happened to the technology created by our ancient ancestors? Why don't we have access to it ourselves today?
Do you believe our ancient ancestors could have created a simulated type universe that we live in today?

 

[Watchyourwaite]

that will take our existence into the modern era

Take us into now?

I'm trying so hard to hold my tongue and respect this forum. But you must be trolling.
There is no way you wrote that sentence, without deliberately wanting to bait.

 

[little graham]

What do you believe happened to the technology created by our ancient ancestors? Why don't we have access to it ourselves today?

There's only one account written on paper, thats in the bible. it seems to be very reliable with the current state of society today and the problems it faces.

Do you believe our ancient ancestors could have created a simulated type universe that we live in today?

If you've researched the pyramids, then you're aware that they had access to cutting tools not yet invented.

The Egyptians believed the earth to be round.

 

[darthbards]

Take us into now?

I'm trying so hard to hold my tongue and respect this forum. But you must be trolling.
There is no way you wrote that sentence, without deliberately wanting to bait.

I find the way you constantly direct the terms troll,ignorant and moron over your keyboard at others similar to how cavemen used to use their clubs.
You use these terms as a means to bully and make yourself appear far more intelligent and worthy,while putting down others and offering very little that could be considered worthwhile yourself. You even have a tendency to share your self appointed intelligence levels over your keyboard while communicating in a rather negative manner.
Any advancement in technology that would give the ability to something like a computer to think and learn for itself, and pass that information onto ourselves would see us learning in the matter of hours or days that would otherwise take us thousands and thousands of years.
I'm unsure how anyone can think we are currently living in a truly modern era when we are still living in an era based around theory,as opposed to one based around knowledge and understanding of actual facts.

 

[Watchyourwaite]

I find the way you constantly direct the terms troll,ignorant and moron over your keyboard at others similar to how cavemen used to use their clubs.
You use these terms as a means to bully and make yourself appear far more intelligent and worthy,while putting down others and offering very little that could be considered worthwhile yourself. You even have a tendency to share your self appointed intelligence levels over your keyboard while communicating in a rather negative manner.
Any advancement in technology that would give the ability to something like a computer to think and learn for itself, and pass that information onto ourselves would see us learning in the matter of hours or days that would otherwise take us thousands and thousands of years.
I'm unsure how anyone can think we are currently living in a truly modern era when we are still living in an era based around theory,as opposed to one based around knowledge and understanding of actual facts.

This must mean a lot to you. How did cavemen use their clubs?

My point was, as you clearly understand due to your response, that saying we will advance to the modern age, is baiting.

You've shown you understand it, but you've used it again in this post. I honestly believe you are doing this to troll.

The modern era is the current era.

In the Iron Age, the Iron age was the modern era. The modern era is only what the current era is. Talking about the future becoming the modern era is so illogical that you must be baiting.

 

[little graham]

How did cavemen use their clubs?
.

To build mass pokie machine empires and afford chemists better than ASADA's chemists.

 

[Watchyourwaite]

To build mass pokie machine empires and afford chemists beater than ASADA's chemists.

I've actually just been reading about poker machines. Its insane how much power they must have over our government and the world in general.

They dont even need to build machines now, they roll out ap after ap that just gets people to pour money into their phone.

How is it not illegal?

We complain about nigerian scams, but we endorse this???

 

[darthbards]

There's only one account written on paper, thats in the bible. it seems to be very reliable with the current state of society today and the problems it faces.



If you've researched the pyramids, then you're aware that they had access to cutting tools not yet invented.

The Egyptians believed the earth to be round.

I have done some research on ancient Egypt,like most people I guess. It was their knowledge and use of energy that probably interested me the greatest.
You wouldn't be able to direct me to this passage in the bible you were referring to would you?

 

[little graham]

You wouldn't be able to direct me to this passage in the bible you were referring to would you?

When they use the word Jehovah they are talking about the general consciousness of society. There is many passages that refer to what happens when there is mass sin. They talk about fire, floods, general unlawfulness.

 

[darthbards]

When they use the word Jehovah they are talking about the general consciousness of society. There is many passages that refer to what happens when there is mass sin. They talk about fire, floods, general unlawfulness.

Is there any mention of keyboard warriors and their negativity and insults in the bible?

 

[little graham]

Is there any mention of keyboard warriors and their negativity and insults in the bible?

Many many references.

 

[cannot]

People used to think smoking was good for your health once upon a time too.

Just because something was once believed to be true, doesn't make it so.

Or is smoking causing cancer/emphysema etc also Jesuit propaganda?

smoking tabbaco is not that bad. thats why humans did it for a long time. like how chewing a coca leaf while you work is sometimes acceptable in some time periods

its more the modern worlds mega companies putting rat poison and pesticides on the shit that is more likely the primary issue

bad example kayne

I definitely do. I'll quote all of the posts about it, so you don't have to read it again.

ok ill go back one step, the jesuits priests specifically that influenced china , might not have been them-self genocidal types people - yet the self admitted "military arm" of the catholic church is what their allegiance is to.

The are a shady organisation, im not sure how you look at history and honestly think otherwise. They have been at it for a long time and have fingers in many pies

that they are 'powerful' or cunning enough to change chinese culture in terms of the earth and heavens then they might be worth considering at least (assuming that chinese bits true of course)

'd say that the Chinese definitely aren't dumb people, and that your language is fairly offensive. It's not even a conspiracy, it seems purely rhetorical and for instigation.

It's possible that some Chinese once thought (as did many others) that the world was flat. But as knowledge/science advanced, and tests, research, and experiments were conducted, people learned that the Earth was not flat. Much like people learned that there were islands across the ocean, that they didn't know existed before they traveled.

i was not intending to be disrespectful, i was alluding to the chinese as a people are very smart. the modern day and history proves this/

so why did they allegedly think the world was flat for 8000 years or something

i know the chinese thought china was the center of the earth - so itd make sense they thought it was flat 'eh (gotcha!)

 

[cannot]

Astrology is pure science. it is also religion. It's measurements precise. The indigenous here were astrologists thousands of years ago, their measurements precise. They obviously has access to technology.

Remember, their measurements precise and they also said the earth was round.

is it fair to say the australian aborginals are the exception to the rule then?

i have not looked much into the theories, or historic cosmology over varying cultures and time periods unfortunately yet - but from a brief glance there seems to be many saying thing most the world from the time of ' the flood' up reckon it was flat and that

i have trouble believing most of europe was learning about Eratosthenes theories in the dark and early middle ages, before books ...

There's only one account written on paper, thats in the bible. it seems to be very reliable with the current state of society today and the problems it faces. If you've researched the pyramids, then you're aware that they had access to cutting tools not yet invented.

The Egyptians believed the earth to be round.

you sure mate?

In early Egyptian[7] and Mesopotamian thought the world was portrayed as a flat disk floating in the ocean. A similar model is found in the Homeric account from the 8th century BC in which "Okeanos, the personified body of water surrounding the circular surface of the Earth, is the begetter of all life and possibly of all gods."[8] The Israelites had a similar cosmology, with the earth as a flat disc floating on water beneath an arced firmament separating it from the heavens.[9]

some sources claiming the reckoned flat for a good 3000 years

 

[little graham]

you sure mate?

Very.

They sailed around the world, in both directions.

 

[The_Duck]

Very.

They sailed around the world, in both directions.

/ thread

 

[darthbards]

/Re open thread :
Could still be a round illusion inside a simulation.

 

[little graham]

/Re open thread :
Could still be a round illusion inside a simulation.

Well, astrology could be used to make that argument. The Australian indigenous have recorded for over a hundred thousand years us making the same revolution. and all the other planets doing so simultaneously.