Sport The Hangar Cricket Thread IV

[BrunoV]

It isn't psychologists who'll make the changes here. It is cricket dogma that needs to change.

I'd want to address standards of professionalism before getting into players' heads. Sacking Pietersen for the reasons Boycott identified would be a start. Damien Martyn got sacked for playing an irresponsible shot in a run chase we thought we should win. The difference is the expectations.

Expect you players to be professionals and chase anything they have the time to chase. If Pietersen could have exercised some patience there was every chance he and Bell could have been together at stumps last night and then all they need is 250 in a day with seven in hand. What he and Bell did was unforgivable and they are the senior bastmen in the side.

 

[Old Campaigner]

Didn't Martyn quit? You do expect some professionalism, but that is affected by the situation the players are faced with and all that crap. No cricketer is perfect, Steve Waugh would get out to dumb shots when it wasn't required. It just seems more obvious with England because they have so few players capable of standing up should someone else fail.

 

[Andronicus]

Didn't Martyn quit? You do expect some professionalism, but that is affected by the situation the players are faced with and all that crap. No cricketer is perfect, Steve Waugh would get out to dumb shots when it wasn't required. It just seems more obvious with England because they have so few players capable of standing up should someone else fail.

I think the Martyn reference was to the time he was dropped after the SCG test vs Sth Africa when we were bundled out chasing around 110 in the mid 90's.

He did play a stupid shot, but when the whole team folds like that, it hardly rests on 1 player, but he was the one that was chosen to make an example out of.

 

[Old Campaigner]

Ah. Well it worked, he came to be a pretty decent number 5 when they let him back in the side.

 

[Howard Moon]

think ive got a plan... it would be a waste to use the 2 dead rubbers on the same side.... if we think things are fixed we are kidding ourselves, lets not get lulled into a false sense of security. Should play the future in the dead rubbers... but how to do it without total upheaval?

How about Bailey out, Watson drops to 6, and Hughes/Marsh comes back in at 3 for another crack?

for all the Watson hate, and im first in line, he probaly still has something to give at 6 in a more free wheeling role? and his bowling does have its bonuses.

Then we can see what Hughes has again in a non pressure time, After that we can work on the Rogers omission.

 

[Howard Moon]

remember when 50 over cricket meant something???

would hang on every ball sitting infront of the tv... a run a ball.. this is tense! what a run chase, iconic moments like Bevans last ball 4...

now its been reduced to a fancy dress party....

20/20 ruined it because 15 runs an over is normal now... will we even be able to fill stadiums for the world cup? this could be embarassing. When you need to advertise dress up parties becasue the game means nothing you have issues

 

[Whispering_Jack]

Watson should not be batting at 3, it is that simple...

 

[Old Campaigner]

remember when 50 over cricket meant something???

would hang on every ball sitting infront of the tv... a run a ball.. this is tense! what a run chase, iconic moments like Bevans last ball 4...

now its been reduced to a fancy dress party....

20/20 ruined it because 15 runs an over is normal now... will we even be able to fill stadiums for the world cup? this could be embarassing. When you need to advertise dress up parties becasue the game means nothing you have issues

Yeah it used to be good. I'm not sure if T20 is the sole culprit for it's demise though. I reckon the pitches have changed so they just turn into slog fests where the role of the bowler is simply to serve up ball after ball to get smashed for Hero Honda Maximums(TM) or whatever. I quite enjoyed it when scoring 300 was the exception, not the rule and a bowler was just as likely to change a game as some flat track bully hitting 50 off 20 balls.

The domestic T20 comp died off in the UK really fast because people got sick of it, I suspect the same thing will happen with the Big Bash. Last year the ratings were way down on previous years and there are only so many things you can put flashing red lights in to liven things up. The franchises were a dumb idea, instead of getting a bit of hometown loyalty happening you end up with the Melbourne Whatsits playing the Melbourne Thingies and nobody gives a **** who wins.

 

[Howard Moon]

Yeah it used to be good. I'm not sure if T20 is the sole culprit for it's demise though. I reckon the pitches have changed so they just turn into slog fests where the role of the bowler is simply to serve up ball after ball to get smashed for Hero Honda Maximums(TM) or whatever. I quite enjoyed it when scoring 300 was the exception, not the rule and a bowler was just as likely to change a game as some flat track bully hitting 50 off 20 balls.

The domestic T20 comp died off in the UK really fast because people got sick of it, I suspect the same thing will happen with the Big Bash. Last year the ratings were way down on previous years and there are only so many things you can put flashing red lights in to liven things up. The franchises were a dumb idea, instead of getting a bit of hometown loyalty happening you end up with the Melbourne Whatsits playing the Melbourne Thingies and nobody gives a **** who wins.

ha! honda maximums. Par shits me too .. its not golf.

i remember a one dayer in Sydney when they left the covers off for some reason and it was green as jelly...

Think Paul Reiffel skittled them for 160s moving it miles off the seam then made a 40 odd to bat us home...

Dont mind a bowler dominated game! Like those times Phil Simmons got 5/not many... equal green tops and roads would be nice

 

[Ben the Gooner]

I'm inclined to agree with Bruno here. 500 runs seems a lot, but it's 5 sessions, on a pitch with more gremlins for the keeper than the batsmen. How many wickets have fallen because of the pitch? The cracks are too big for taking wickets, all they can do is beat the keeper. Ticking along at 85-90 runs a session shouldn't be too taxing for a team who really wants it, then having a big crack in the final session, but England seem happy to concede the series as an overwhelming favourite without even a fight.

I reckon Michael Clarke is the sort of captain who might say "hang on, we're a ****ing chance here" in a similar situation, then put his head down and make 150.

 

[Howard Moon]

I'm inclined to agree with Bruno here. 500 runs seems a lot, but it's 5 sessions, on a pitch with more gremlins for the keeper than the batsmen. How many wickets have fallen because of the pitch? The cracks are too big for taking wickets, all they can do is beat the keeper. Ticking along at 85-90 runs a session shouldn't be too taxing for a team who really wants it, then having a big crack in the final session, but England seem happy to concede the series as an overwhelming favourite without even a fight.

I reckon Michael Clarke is the sort of captain who might say "hang on, we're a ******* chance here" in a similar situation, then put his head down and make 150.

maybe Cook going first ball haulted any plans?

 

[brisbane13]

remember when 50 over cricket meant something???

would hang on every ball sitting infront of the tv... a run a ball.. this is tense! what a run chase, iconic moments like Bevans last ball 4...

now its been reduced to a fancy dress party....

20/20 ruined it because 15 runs an over is normal now... will we even be able to fill stadiums for the world cup? this could be embarassing. When you need to advertise dress up parties becasue the game means nothing you have issues

there is just to much cricket now days, meaningless tournaments, isn't the t20 world cup held every 2 years.

 

[Howard Moon]

there is just to much cricket now days, meaningless tournaments, isn't the t20 world cup held every 2 years.

also think it was better when the one dayers in the tri series were scattered across the whole summer, rather than all in a bunch at the end

 

[Andronicus]

T20 should be reserved foe young up and coming players, retired players that still want to make some coin, or 1 trick ponies that have no real aspiration for playing test cricket.

 

[Old Campaigner]

there is just to much cricket now days, meaningless tournaments, isn't the t20 world cup held every 2 years.

Geez it pissed me off when we ended up in India playing for some meaningless ODI tournament designed solely to make money for the BCCI while the poms were over here doing tour matches and getting a feel for the conditions. Not that it did them much good, but that is the attitude I'd like to see Cricket Australia bring into an important series. And don't get me started on the times we've gone overseas to play 3 tests and 12 ODIs or something stupid like that

 

[Ben the Gooner]

maybe Cook going first ball haulted any plans?

There's still plenty of batting in that team, but Pietersen and Bell threw it away. Those two could easily put on a 200-run stand if they put their minds to it.

 

[Old Campaigner]

Some poor **** is going to fall into that

 

[Whispering_Jack]

That giant crack at the centre running through the crease is only an issue psychologically, its far to full to mean anything. Does look scary as **** though!

 

[Howard Moon]

Some poor **** is going to fall into that

Might finally get that key back

 

[Howard Moon]

Gotta say I hated Vaughn when he played but I like him now, balanced comments

 

[Whispering_Jack]

Gotta say I hated Vaughn when he played but I like him now, balanced comments

Yeah, it must be hard for a former English captain to be as balanced as he is. I guess he can't hide from the fact that Enlgand have been deplorable though.

 

[brisbane13]

T20 should be reserved foe young up and coming players, retired players that still want to make some coin, or 1 trick ponies that have no real aspiration for playing test cricket.

The problem a lot of kids would prefer the easy money of t20 than test cricket. Glen maxwell earnt more at the ipl auction than most of the top line English players did for playing for their country

 

[Andronicus]

The problem a lot of kids would prefer the easy money of t20 than test cricket. Glen maxwell earnt more at the ipl auction than most of the top line English players did for playing for their country

Might mean a better test team for it though.

Keeping the 2 separate might see a return to your wicket being valued by the top order of the test team.

 

[Phone]

T20 should be reserved foe young up and coming players, retired players that still want to make some coin, or 1 trick ponies that have no real aspiration for playing test cricket.

 

[Howard Moon]

harris asking the right questions here... great accuracy