Strategy The "Have a Ping" Set Shot Thread

[Bipolar Bear]

Recently I believe that some of our players have been too unselfish, and often they will pass the ball when they should be having a ping at goal. An example was Waterman passing to Snelling who was in a slightly better position, who eventually missed it.

Who are the players that should always have a ping, and where should they be?

For me
If inside 50: Waterman, Walla, Jones and 2MP.
If inside 60: Waterman

If outside 50 and Redman is free, I would be handing it off to him unless I was Waterman.

 

[JT_the_Man]

Recently I believe that some of our players have been too unselfish, and often they will pass the ball when they should be having a ping at goal. An example was Waterman passing to Snelling who was in a slightly better position, who eventually missed it.

Who are the players that should always have a ping, and where should they be?

For me
If inside 50: Waterman, Walla, Jones and 2MP.
If inside 60: Waterman

If outside 50 and Redman is free, I would be handing it off to him unless I was Waterman.

Add Langford to the inside 50 list.

 

[Bipolar Bear]

Didn't even think of Langford.

There's a lot of blokes in our team who are deadeye set shots, who are not amazing field kicks.
Why are we passing? Are we afraid of the moment?

Another that stands out is Parish. If he is 35M on the right hand boundry, I put the 6 points in the book before he kicks it.

 

[Mr Bultitude]

I'd be OK with Snelling on this list. Also Ham is proving he can be a decent finisher when he finds the confidence.

 

[eth-dog]

Recently I believe that some of our players have been too unselfish, and often they will pass the ball when they should be having a ping at goal. An example was Waterman passing to Snelling who was in a slightly better position, who eventually missed it.

Who are the players that should always have a ping, and where should they be?

For me
If inside 50: Waterman, Walla, Jones and 2MP.
If inside 60: Waterman

If outside 50 and Redman is free, I would be handing it off to him unless I was Waterman.

Snelling goes at like 80% for his career. Happy for him to go for goal within 45

 

[JT_the_Man]

I'd be OK with Snelling on this list. Also Ham is proving he can be a decent finisher when he finds the confidence.

Snelling is probably an inside 40 kinda guy.

 

[Doss]

He almost never has shots these days given he’s now a defender, but Heppell always feels like a good thing for a set shot from inside 50.

 

[Mercurial89]

Reckon it's another example of the players over doing what they are being told.
Coaches would be stressing sharing the ball and being selfless, bring your team mates into it and they are over doing it at times. Notice it's quite often the younger guys, so there may be a bit of oh that experienced player is nearby he can do it.
It's just finding that line between taking the responsibility and being the man vs giving it to the guy in a better position.
That will come with time.

Walla was thrown into knots last year with never taking a shot because the instruction to the group was share, but he probably wasn't coached individually well enough that he has the skill to be that guy who finishes.

Stringer does it a lot too. Passes off when he probably could have a shot.

You take the good with the bad because that selfless attitude that is leading to the misses and mistakes is also leading to the shots in the first place.

My list would be
1. Walla
2. Langford
3. Wright

Breaking the 50 I'd go with Zaharakis still but I'm hoping that Perkins and Ham become those guys.

Outside 50 Wright or Redman.

 

[Inspecta Gadget]

Dev Smith if he's inside the goal square

 

[Zach Package]

I back Smith and Snello if they’re within distance, which is probably only 40 though

 

[Bipolar Bear]

Snelling never misses if he's going around his body, I swear.

 

[faible]

I don't think we have anyone that comes to mind as genuinely shouldn't take a shot, just seems like guys worry too much about being unselfish without recognising when their teammate isn't actually in a better position.

e.g. there was a long handball over the top from Ham during the game yesterday, where the guy receiving the handball was under too much pressure to take a shot, and it was wasted. Meanwhile Ham had a pretty clear line to run in and take a shot from about 40m out, it wasn't a low percentage look.

AMT, Stringer & Snelling seem to have a better idea (now) of when the share and when to go themselves.

If you've got a good option to handball over the top and leave them in the clear, then sure, otherwise if you can't get the ball to them for a mark, you're probably better off taking the shot yourself.

For each player, that will mean their range is a little different, someone like a Smith is probably a 35-40m max guy these days, whereas a Redman or Waterman can go from 60m as a reasonable percentage look I'd say.

 

[Bipolar Bear]

I don't think we have anyone that comes to mind as genuinely shouldn't take a shot

Merrett comes to mind, brilliant field kick (top 5 in the league probably) but I never feel as though he's going to complete a set shot successfully.

 

[faible]

Merrett comes to mind, brilliant field kick (top 5 in the league probably) but I never feel as though he's going to complete a set shot successfully.

I don't think he generally gets too many high percentage looks, probably the one part of his game that isn't really a high standard is his ability to get in dangerous scoring positions i50

 

[11kgm]

Recently I believe that some of our players have been too unselfish, and often they will pass the ball when they should be having a ping at goal. An example was Waterman passing to Snelling who was in a slightly better position, who eventually missed it.

Who are the players that should always have a ping, and where should they be?

For me
If inside 50: Waterman, Walla, Jones and 2MP.
If inside 60: Waterman

If outside 50 and Redman is free, I would be handing it off to him unless I was Waterman.

Wright has kicked at least 3 from outside 50 this year

 

[Ati Tude]

From a Pies vs Eagles game years ago, as Tarkyn Lockyer lines up a set shot:

Brereton (commentating) - "They say at Collingwood if you want someone to kick at goal for your life, you'd pick Tarkyn Lockyer."

Cometti - "Personally I'd choose my mum."

Awkward pause as everyone wonders what he is on about...

Cometti - "Admittedly not a great footballer, but at least she'd care."

 

[fairbump_playon]

Teaching share the ball and weeding out selfishness is not a bad first step.

However, love this thread, as it is key to the next phase of development.

I reckon once you’re unselfish, confidence and killer instinct can be built. Great teams just put you to the sword when they have half a chance. When they don’t have half a chance they share the ball and create something.

At the moment we’re following the rules (which I don’t mind as a starting point) rather than just being single minded about stepping up to take chances to bury the opposition on the scoreboard.

You watch Richmond or Geelong, they are clinical with this stuff.

I feel like Jake gets it. Walla much better this year.

Waterman needs to have a ping much more and he’s not alone.