The inevitable umpire thread

[catempire]

Seriously?
Is this the Hawks board?
Have a fu#@ing whinge.
Point the finger at the players or coach.

Give the players and coach a whistle and they can share the blame.

 

[Partridge]

This. Well said.

It's like we're being made to sing a different tune to everyone else.

I'm probably alone in this, but I don't see that at all.

I see a ton of frustration at losses, and desperate thrashing around for answers. Particularly those that don't involve acknowledging that maybe some of these players aren't as great as we think.

Two weeks in a row Collingwood and now Carlton have worked harder than us, been more desperate, and used the ball better. That's not due to some grand conspiracy, or ludicrous nonsense that the umpires are somehow against us. Instead of the time-honoured tradition of blaming it on what kind of deal with the umpires we get, I'd prefer to focus on things like reminding Motlop that he needs to actually do team things occasionally, Dangerfield that he's not as great as he evidently thinks he is (and he can't kick), Hawkins that he does need to actually lead, and just because everyone wants Blicavs to be a tagger doesn't make him any good at it (based on the last fortnight it's very much in question).

 

[manboob]

Possibly worst decision of the year in a strong field.

Dunno the Blicavs one was pretty bad too. He was standing over the ball the when the Cartlon bloke brought him to ground. Holding the ball was then paid against Blicavs.

 

[BUSTER29]

We're all looking closely at the players and coach, but the adjudication of our games is another facet that is causing angst. That's fair enough.

No-one is laying the blame for our losses at the feet of the umps. All we're looking for is consistency. That should be a given.

Sound like spoiled brats looking for excuses after 2 unacceptable losses to be honest....

 

[Hoooops]

Seriously?
Is this the Hawks board?
Have a fu#@ing whinge.
Point the finger at the players or coach.

We all know how poor the players were today, and bad umpiring or not, they didn't deserve to win.

But the players will lose confidence when the umpires aren't consistent. If nothing changes, we will lose games because of it.

 

[Cataholic]

I'm probably alone in this, but I don't see that at all.

I see a ton of frustration at losses, and desperate thrashing around for answers. Particularly those that don't involve acknowledging that maybe some of these players aren't as great as we think.

Two weeks in a row Collingwood and now Carlton have worked harder than us, been more desperate, and used the ball better. That's not due to some grand conspiracy, or ludicrous nonsense that the umpires are somehow against us. Instead of the time-honoured tradition of blaming it on what kind of deal with the umpires we get, I'd prefer to focus on things like reminding Motlop that he needs to actually do team things occasionally, Dangerfield that he's not as great as he evidently thinks he is (and he can't kick), Hawkins that he does need to actually lead, and just because everyone wants Blicavs to be a tagger doesn't make him any good at it (based on the last fortnight it's very much in question).

Absolutely. Totally agree.

The greater focus needs to be on the players, as you said. But the inconsistency of the umpiring is a facet of our games that is causing some justifiable frustration.

No-one is suggesting we've lost a game because of the umpiring. We just want consistency in their interpretations.

Our opponents just aren't being held to the same accountability by the umps as we are. We want the same rules for both sides is all.

 

[Cataholic]

Sound like spoiled brats looking for excuses after 2 unacceptable losses to be honest....

Again, no-one has offered it up as an excuse.

You see things differently. Fair enough.

Varying opinions are allowed.

 

[BUSTER29]

We all know how poor the players were today, and bad umpiring or not, they didn't deserve to win.

But the players will lose confidence when the umpires aren't consistent. If nothing changes, we will lose games because of it.

We are not losing games because of umpiring,lets make that really clear.
Maybe put the heat on an area we can control.
Players and coaching staff.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

Seriously?
Is this the Hawks board?
Have a fu#@ing whinge.
Point the finger at the players or coach.

Mate read the op and try again. Quote once where I've blamed the umpires for a loss. The stats I've posted are against us. I'm trying to figure out why. What the issue is that the players are doing wrong.

 

[nananana catman]

-22 differential for the season? Probably fair enough. Gee we give away some stupid, lazy free kicks that other teams don't.

If there was a conspiracy against Geelong the free kick count would -50 or -100.

It's not there, move along.

 

[BUSTER29]

Did i quote you sunshine?
Have a look at the posts in the game day thread and even some on here regarding the umpires.
Would you have opened this thread if we had a comfortable win as expected today?

 

[Hoooops]

We are not losing games because of umpiring,lets make that really clear.

I did.

But if our players do turn up next week and actually play well, inconsistent umpiring will lose us the game.

 

[catempire]

Why does this have to be painted as (a) blaming the umpires for the loss or (worse) (b) a conspiracy?

It's possible just to be critical of the umpiring without either claim.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

I'm probably alone in this, but I don't see that at all.

I see a ton of frustration at losses, and desperate thrashing around for answers. Particularly those that don't involve acknowledging that maybe some of these players aren't as great as we think.

Two weeks in a row Collingwood and now Carlton have worked harder than us, been more desperate, and used the ball better. That's not due to some grand conspiracy, or ludicrous nonsense that the umpires are somehow against us. Instead of the time-honoured tradition of blaming it on what kind of deal with the umpires we get, I'd prefer to focus on things like reminding Motlop that he needs to actually do team things occasionally, Dangerfield that he's not as great as he evidently thinks he is (and he can't kick), Hawkins that he does need to actually lead, and just because everyone wants Blicavs to be a tagger doesn't make him any good at it (based on the last fortnight it's very much in question).

What you say is correct. But what I'm concern about is the momentum that some decisions create. If we understand what it is we are doing wrong, we could fix it to help us and not give away stupid frees. The stats don't lie and the differential is alarming. There's a pattern so clearly the players are doing something incorrect. If the coaching staff could get clarity on WHAT IT IS WE ARE DOING WRONG they could coach them to attack a contest a little differently. We have had a plus in the free kick count twice this year. That's incliding our wins. So of course it's not to blame for losing. This is not an umpire bashing thread, it's trying to get answers.

 

[Goggin Our Best]

Why does this have to be painted as (a) blaming the umpires for the loss or (worse) (b) a conspiracy?

It's possible just to be critical of the umpiring without either claim.

Yeah but youve got to be fair mate and not a hypocrite- and im a supporter and obviously id much prefer us to win - but to be perfectly honest with you ( and there are probably some supporters in the same boat as me ) that after the 3 flag success and the win and loss ratio and all the rest of it - when we lose i hardly get pissed off at all - or should i say nowhere near to the extent i did during the premiership drought era

The umpire whingers should put up the stats ( frees for and against ) for the previous 4 seasons - at a guess i reckon Geelong would have had a great run - for example we beat Carlton one year twice by about a goal - and there were some controversial decisions that went our way both times

 

[catempire]

Yeah but youve got to be fair mate and not a hypocrite- and im a supporter and obviously id much prefer us to win - but to be perfectly honest with you ( and there are probably some supporters in the same boat as me ) that after the 3 flag success and the win and loss ratio and all the rest of it - when we lose i hardly get pissed off at all - or should i say nowhere near to the extent i did during the premiership drought era

The umpire whingers should put up the stats ( frees for and against ) for the previous 4 seasons - at a guess i reckon Geelong would have had a great run - for example we beat Carlton one year twice by about a goal - and there were some controversial decisions that went our way both times

I don't have the stats handy but I'm pretty sure we've had a shitty run with the umpires for at least 2015 and possibly a year or two prior. We are actually playing better this year but there's more concern about the umpiring. I don't think it's about how we are going on the field.

 

[Hoooops]

Yeah but youve got to be fair mate and not a hypocrite- and im a supporter and obviously id much prefer us to win - but to be perfectly honest with you ( and there are probably some supporters in the same boat as me ) that after the 3 flag success and the win and loss ratio and all the rest of it - when we lose i hardly get pissed off at all - or should i say nowhere near to the extent i did during the premiership drought era

The umpire whingers should put up the stats ( frees for and against ) for the previous 4 seasons - at a guess i reckon Geelong would have had a great run - for example we beat Carlton one year twice by about a goal - and there were some controversial decisions that went our way both times

Nothing we can do about free kicks of the past, better to focus on what we'll do to make sure we're not crucified by the umpires again next week.

 

[FredLeDeux]

I don't have the stats handy but I'm pretty sure we've had a shitty run with the umpires for at least 2015 and possibly a year or two prior. We are actually playing better this year but there's more concern about the umpiring. I don't think it's about how we are going on the field.

We were dudded last year and this year, broke even 2014 and had a good ratio in 2013.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

I really don't understand why some people cannot get it through their heads. THE UMPIRES ARE NOT TO BLAME FOR OUR LOSSES NO ONE IS SAYING THAT. What I want to know is why the differential is so marginal, get clarification on the reasons and fix it. Some of you just want to argue. For ****s sake what's even the point of having a discussion on here. Mods please close the thread **** this.

 

[FredLeDeux]

I really don't understand why some people cannot get it through their heads. THE UMPIRES ARE NOT TO BLAME FOR OUR LOSSES NO ONE IS SAYING THAT. What I want to know is why the differential is so marginal, get clarification on the reasons and fix it. Some of you just want to argue. For ****s sake what's even the point of having a discussion on here. Mods please close the thread **** this.

There are many, many factors contributing to winning and/or losing a footy match. Among these can be disequal treatment by umpires when it comes to free kicks. People who deny this are just burying their heads in the sand. Umpiring decisions can and do affect results.

 

[Goggin Our Best]

There are many, many factors contributing to winning and/or losing a footy match. Among these can be disequal treatment by umpires when it comes to free kicks. People who deny this are just burying their heads in the sand. Umpiring decisions can and do affect results.

Yes - but Geelong have primarly lost the last 2 weeks - through a lack of effort/ and they havent been good enough

What about the Bartel free and 50 metre penalty on the siren to beat North ( who had led all day ) - what about the 2 Carlton games - what about the 2013 PF - the non mark to Rioli - the out on the full not paid - Murdoch goaled - when all of those happened i thought beauty( i couldnt care less about the opposition) because they all helped Geelong . When Joel gets a free - im rapped - i hope he gets 10 a game

Carlton lost Murphy and someone else - they deserved to win

 

[FredLeDeux]

Yes - but Geelong have primarly lost the last 2 weeks - through a lack of effort/ and they havent been good enough

What about the Bartel free and 50 metre penalty on the siren to beat North ( who had led all day ) - what about the 2 Carlton games - what about the 2013 PF - the non mark to Rioli - the out on the full not paid - Murdoch goaled - when all of those happened i thought beauty( i couldnt care less about the opposition) because they all helped Geelong . When Joel gets a free - im rapped - i hope he gets 10 a game

Carlton lost Murphy and someone else - they deserved to win

My comment was general, I didn't see today's game. But the sheer incredulity with with the ABC radio commentators greeted 4 or 5 pro-Carlton decisions was telling.

 

[Mahlepi]

We have lost the last two weeks because of the application of the senior team. In particular the mids.

The umpiring for the last three weeks has been atrocious, and biased.

1. My pet hate, is when a player is down why is a player able to stand over them, or push them into the ground time and time again. Selwood has punished for attending to a player who tried to take him out during a wce game. This tactic is of a weak player.
2. Second week in a row a geelong player has been subjected to attention of the ball. Attention which is allowed to continue to the point where the player strikes out. It is an enigma on the game. Motlop is a ball player. When a player can niggle away, and a commentator like dunstall and dermott think its fair is a joke. They would have simply decked the opposition player.
3. Amazing how few free kicks Joel gets because dermott mentions him any time any other player ducks.
4. inconsistency can cause momentum swings and get in the players head
5. hawkins gets the fewest free kicks of any forward
6. there were 4-5 50/50 free kicks that went against us, we werent paid another 4-5, and there were 4-5 other inconsistent calls, and thats a momentum killer

it is interesting that we started favourites the last two weeks, played like shite, and lost to bottom teams without a real fight

 

[Turkey Tom]

Yeah the umpires are baffling....but also us being so undisciplined is baffling. Mackie, Caddy, Motlop are examples of brain fade frees given away today.

 

[Lana]

Hi everyone. I want to start out by saying I no way at all think the umpiring is to blame for the last 2 weeks. It's actually the least of our problems.
However I want to raise a few things.

Round 1 frees
Cats 24 Hawks 28

Round 2
Cats 10 gws 23

Round 3
Cats 32 lions 30

Round 4
Cats 16 bombers 24

Round 5 Cats 25 port 23

Round 6 cats 16 suns 22

Round 7 cats 27 eagles 21

Round 8 cats 14 crows 26

Rounds 9 cats 23 pies 26

Round 10 cats 10 blues 22

So that equals to be 197 free kicks for and 219 frees against. A differential of -22 which is ranked 18th in the league. There's something seriously wrong here. Whether it's the way we attack the ball, do stuff off the ball or a just undisciplined. I think the club needs to contact the AFL for some clarity. I'm very confused about what we are doing wrong. Today there was 1 instance where I was truly baffled. The deliberate out of bounds against Taylor. I'm not sure what he was supposed to do in that instance. But that's fine but the one against casbolt 5 minutes later, then directly after that a Carlton player kicked it forward directly to the line and it wasn't paid. I'm not saying the calls are wrong I just need to understand exactly what the difference is and how we can't fix it.
I'm confused as to why the coaching staff haven't rang the AFL for some clarity. Even get an umpire down there during the week during training. I'm sure the AFL would be happy to send someone down. I think us fans have the right to understand the interpretations of some of the rules a bit better.

Thanks

You've got your numbers wrong
we are
For 197
Against 245
A total differential of -48
An average differential of -4.8