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He had 30 lap fresher tyres against a wounded opponent.
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I’m a massive Lowndes fan but I support Ford more. What pissed me off the most was that Lowndes raced liked a ****ing legend for 5 laps in the last race of the year to deny Scotty a championship. Where was this form for the rest of the year ffs?
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Fresh tyres did the trick, he still would have passed McGlaughlin IMO
I thought he didn’t look as quick as he should of considering how fresh his tyres were. Slade seemed quicker...
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Before he stuffed it. Lowndes caught them just as quick but doesn't have the nerve he used to to throw it up the inside
Sorry. We all didn't want Whincup to win. But that's was McLaughlin's responsibility.
Anyway. Here's a pic of North American Touring car legend, Neil Crompton.
Anyway. Here's a pic of North American Touring car legend, Neil Crompton.
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The Enforcer ( a bloke who knows better than any of us do ) on " The incident "
Now we get to the big one, which was to ultimately be the Championship decider.
After an unbelievable run back through the field – again, a mistake by McLaughlin going too hot into turn one allowed Lowndes to get back up the inside. Look at it any way you want, the fact is that was the mistake that cost the Championship. All Scotty had to do was prop Lowndes up into turn one and I am sure he would have held Lowndes up for the rest of the lap, and Scott would know this himself.
With Lowndes down the inside, there was no option for Scotty but to try and defend as best as possible, which by the rules you can do on the last lap, but obviously not to the point of endangering another car, which again is in the rules. No doubt about it, there wasn’t much real estate left for Lowndes and by the time Lowndes got to where the break in the wall was, he bounced back off Scott into the wall which plucked the left front out and we all saw the outcome after that
“Did the penalty fit the crime?” everyone was screaming.
Well again, by Craig Baird’s statement and the reading of the rules, when there is overlap you can’t continue to push the other car off the circuit and unfortunately at a street race, “off the circuit” is the wall. The only question mark that I have is does the second part of the wall that is open protrude out further, which contributed to the severity of the crash? (as per the attached pictures) So I asked myself this question, if that opening in the wall wasn’t there and Lowndes’ car didn’t get damaged and crash, what would the outcome have been?
Ok, so in that scenario, Lowndes goes down the inside, Scotty moves him over to the wall, which he is entitled to do, Lowndes rubs down the inside of the wall, probably this time without damage, but still has the inside line and no way would he back out of it, runs Scott all the way into turn two, Scott still on the outside, Lowndes has the ideal line into turn two, Lowndes gets in front and Scott loses the Championship anyway.
Second scenario is Scott keeps moving over on Lowndes, Lowndes running down the inside of the wall, Lowndes keeps on the throttle and Scott turns himself around in front of Lowndes, crashes, game over.
This is where it gets interesting about that gap in the wall making Lowndes accident more severe than it might have been otherwise - was that a bearing on the penalty? Personally I think the severity of the crash definitely contributed to the severity of the penalty, but again, this is the crucial aspect of the whole thing, which I believe has been overlooked.
Look at the end of the day, I don’t think the outcome would have been any different, but this is about just clarifying a few things and putting it all into context.
Despite some of the garbage that I read of conspiracy theories and all the rest of it, you have to work on facts.
All these views here are my own personal ones, nothing to do with any individual person or organization and you can either like them, hate them or anywhere in the middle, but I would like to think after knowing motorsport for all these years and knowing the drivers and personalities, I reckon this is a fair debrief.
Later!
Now we get to the big one, which was to ultimately be the Championship decider.
After an unbelievable run back through the field – again, a mistake by McLaughlin going too hot into turn one allowed Lowndes to get back up the inside. Look at it any way you want, the fact is that was the mistake that cost the Championship. All Scotty had to do was prop Lowndes up into turn one and I am sure he would have held Lowndes up for the rest of the lap, and Scott would know this himself.
With Lowndes down the inside, there was no option for Scotty but to try and defend as best as possible, which by the rules you can do on the last lap, but obviously not to the point of endangering another car, which again is in the rules. No doubt about it, there wasn’t much real estate left for Lowndes and by the time Lowndes got to where the break in the wall was, he bounced back off Scott into the wall which plucked the left front out and we all saw the outcome after that
“Did the penalty fit the crime?” everyone was screaming.
Well again, by Craig Baird’s statement and the reading of the rules, when there is overlap you can’t continue to push the other car off the circuit and unfortunately at a street race, “off the circuit” is the wall. The only question mark that I have is does the second part of the wall that is open protrude out further, which contributed to the severity of the crash? (as per the attached pictures) So I asked myself this question, if that opening in the wall wasn’t there and Lowndes’ car didn’t get damaged and crash, what would the outcome have been?
Ok, so in that scenario, Lowndes goes down the inside, Scotty moves him over to the wall, which he is entitled to do, Lowndes rubs down the inside of the wall, probably this time without damage, but still has the inside line and no way would he back out of it, runs Scott all the way into turn two, Scott still on the outside, Lowndes has the ideal line into turn two, Lowndes gets in front and Scott loses the Championship anyway.
Second scenario is Scott keeps moving over on Lowndes, Lowndes running down the inside of the wall, Lowndes keeps on the throttle and Scott turns himself around in front of Lowndes, crashes, game over.
This is where it gets interesting about that gap in the wall making Lowndes accident more severe than it might have been otherwise - was that a bearing on the penalty? Personally I think the severity of the crash definitely contributed to the severity of the penalty, but again, this is the crucial aspect of the whole thing, which I believe has been overlooked.
Look at the end of the day, I don’t think the outcome would have been any different, but this is about just clarifying a few things and putting it all into context.
Despite some of the garbage that I read of conspiracy theories and all the rest of it, you have to work on facts.
All these views here are my own personal ones, nothing to do with any individual person or organization and you can either like them, hate them or anywhere in the middle, but I would like to think after knowing motorsport for all these years and knowing the drivers and personalities, I reckon this is a fair debrief.
Later!
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I haven't sussed it much this week lol
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According to the team’s analysis of multiple different data/video feeds, Scott didn’t exceed the 40 km/h speed limit at any point in pitlane.
“Members of Supercars technical staff have agreed to attend a meeting at the DJR Team Penske workshop on Monday, 11 December to review the incident with the team’s technical staff.
“Data retrieved from the car aligned to television footage of the car entering pitlane and the footage from the MoTeC VCS Judicial Camera (note: Judicial Camera footage cannot be publicly released without Supercars permission) has been analysed.
“Each analysis demonstrates McLaughlin’s car never exceeded the speed limit. In fact, when McLaughlin released the brake pedal prior to the pit entry line, the car was travelling at 33.5 km/h.
“Following entry, the car’s pit speed limiter brought the vehicle speed up to a steady 38.2 km/h without ever exceeding the prescribed 40 km/h limit.
“The data reviewed includes both front and rear wheel speed (as supplied by Supercars), throttle position, brake pressure, GPS speed and longitudinal G-force (note: see below illustrations).
http://www.supercars.com/news/champ...-review-mclaughlin-pit-penalty/?sf175289068=1
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I knew they stuffed this championship with their flawed timing device. Of course the car is going to go over the 5m sensors quicker if he is increasing his speed by 4km/h but never go over the 40km/h limit.
So what happens if DJR is found to be correct. Awkies.
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They won't be for that reason
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If DJR are correct, this is race fixing at its finest! I am gutted all over again. I always thought it was strange that Scotty would make a mistake like this when he's leading in a race he only has to finish 11th at worst.
It makes sense that he was going so slow. SVG caught right up to him. This is a problem. Supercars wont let it get into the public
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Given his teammate got done a lap earlier you'd think he would have been well under.
It changes nothing but they are right to clarify it.
It changes nothing but they are right to clarify it.
I can see nothing good coming from this. DJR/Penskie would have their data and wouldn't go public if it was wrong. If it is true then they have cost McLaughlin the championship.
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Stanaway will take some time to settle in but he will be super quick
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Any news on this or has Supercars paid DJR/Team Penske a shitload of cash to be quiet?
There was an article out today with Supercars sticking to their guns about the sensor lines. DJR have data and all supercars have is, "it's never wrong"
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As I predicted.
They didn't argue against DJRPs data in any way shape or form, but better not delve into it because it cost a bloke a championship
They didn't argue against DJRPs data in any way shape or form, but better not delve into it because it cost a bloke a championship
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Watch the video in the link and even Skaife thinks it was bogus. The speed limiter was engaged when Scotty hit pit lane and he didn’t slow down as he crossed the line. I call ****ing bullshit and Supercars can gagf.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/motors...y/news-story/01dadb4934290dccea3608a683effd48