List Mgmt. The KPP thread

[DudleyDocker]

Far out, the Dawson / Anti-Dawson squads remind me of team Edward/ team Jacob schoolgirl fapping.

Lets keep some perspective here - it's off season and the tendency to over analyse is prevalent...lets save the hyper emotion for actual real world problems !

You're only saying that because you're on team Edward, he is SO not as hot as Jacob.

 

[manpurple]

Just wondering who to upgrade between Ubergang and Smith if Freo gets an injury. Ubergang seems like a good prospect yet might not get a game. Smith is on his last chance. Saw smith play up forward in a pre season game a year ago with mixed results. He looked ok vs Port late last season.

I would think that neither is hugely likely to be upgraded. Collins seems to be the goods in the tall department and with Silvani, A Pearce already there as tall defenders I would expect that an upgrade would go elsewhere. Mora if his hammy recovers otherwise Hurley (You have to defend a buddy)

If Smith was a midfielder, he would of been done already. KPPs usually stay on an AFL list for 3-5 seasons on average as they take way longer to develop. It took a good 3 years for Clarke to develop.

With you there. He really needs to step up this season but I suspect that Collins has made that almost impossible if my friends who go to training are right.

 

[freo84]

You're only saying that because you're on team Edward, he is SO not as hot as Jacob.

Prrft. ...please!! girlfriend i know you know that Edward waaaaaaaaay hotter!

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[Docker82]

For the rookie upgrade at the start of the season, surely we go with Morabito despite his injuries. Let's be honest it's not for round one, it's for the whole year. Just because he perhaps can't play round one doesn't eliminate the fact he's the rookie most likely to play by an absolute mile.

 

[scon]

That's what sentiment and all the training reports say to me.
We don't upgrade 'til they're gonna play but.

 

[DannyTheDoorman]

If he has offensive ability, why hasn't he used.it yet?

Do you ever listen to anybody else's opinion about Dawson other than your own biased view and same goes for the other haters.. You guys carry on about offensive ability well RTB doesnt use those words. If he gets the ball takes two steps and handballs off or kicks it to one of ours isn't that being offensive. Oh that's right in your form of the game Dawson should be running down the field kicking goals.FFS he is the fullback and he isnt the CHF. Get a bit real and look at the facts 69 games for the Dockers so Ross must be very happy with him.

 

[Docker82]

That's what sentiment and all the training reports say to me.
We don't upgrade 'til they're gonna play but.

I may be wrong but this year we have 39 on the senior list. Every year for quite a while we've had 40. Pretty sure we've got to have a nominated rookie to take our list up to 40.

 

[Taylor]

I may be wrong but this year we have 39 on the senior list. Every year for quite a while we've had 40. Pretty sure we've got to have a nominated rookie to take our list up to 40.

I think you may have a point.

I see lots of evidence of nominated rookies upgraded before the season and nothing after it starts, just LTI elevations.

 

[Freomaniac]

With Mora out injured. My money is on Ubergang to be Promoted. At 194 cms, Perfect height to play both ends. Hope he does well in pre season.

 

[Docker82]

I think you may have a point.

I see lots of evidence of nominated rookies upgraded before the season and nothing after it starts, just LTI elevations.

This and to add to that why would you use it if you weren't required to, unless of course you have a bloke of your rookie list that'll start round 1 or be best 22 most of the season. For example if Dawson, MJ, Pearce and Silvagni all had short term injuries/suspensions we'd only have Collins left and may want to play Smith. Why would we upgrade a rookie now and leave ourselves open to something like that, as unlikely as it is. If we are looking at the whole season though I just can't see how they overlook Morabito. Worth remembering too how many long term injuries there are in the AFL. It'd be the best injury run in AFL history if we didn't get the opportunity to upgrade another rookie for a LTI, not to mention the mid year rookie upgrade as well.

 

[DannyTheDoorman]

This and to add to that why would you use it if you weren't required to, unless of course you have a bloke of your rookie list that'll start round 1 or be best 22 most of the season. For example if Dawson, MJ, Pearce and Silvagni all had short term injuries/suspensions we'd only have Collins left and may want to play Smith. Why would we upgrade a rookie now and leave ourselves open to something like that, as unlikely as it is. If we are looking at the whole season though I just can't see how they overlook Morabito. Worth remembering too how many long term injuries there are in the AFL. It'd be the best injury run in AFL history if we didn't get the opportunity to upgrade another rookie for a LTI, not to mention the mid year rookie upgrade as well.

Smith is a Rookie Listed Player and Collins is on the Primary list.

 

[meima]

This and to add to that why would you use it if you weren't required to, unless of course you have a bloke of your rookie list that'll start round 1 or be best 22 most of the season. For example if Dawson, MJ, Pearce and Silvagni all had short term injuries/suspensions we'd only have Collins left and may want to play Smith. Why would we upgrade a rookie now and leave ourselves open to something like that, as unlikely as it is. If we are looking at the whole season though I just can't see how they overlook Morabito. Worth remembering too how many long term injuries there are in the AFL. It'd be the best injury run in AFL history if we didn't get the opportunity to upgrade another rookie for a LTI, not to mention the mid year rookie upgrade as well.

I will upgrade Mora, uebergang and NyHuis need to play WAFL first. But only RTB know best. I will be pretty mad if smith get upgrade in place of the above three , since everybody (hater) said how bad Dawson is. You can had Zacy C but I love Zacy D more

 

[freo84]

I will upgrade Mora, uebergang and NyHuis need to play WAFL first. But only RTB know best.

Ross the boss knows if you have been naughty or nice.

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[Docker82]

Smith is a Rookie Listed Player and Collins is on the Primary list.

Where did I say otherwise? I was implying Collins was our only KPD in the scenario, on the senior list and we'd want another one and used Smith as an example. Just trying to show why I wouldn't upgrade a player if we didn't need to. Point is that unless we receive mass injuries and/or other rookies massively improve/surprise Morabito would be the only one who'd be a realistic chance of playing outside of another annual Ross Lyon pre-finals tank game.

 

[meima]

Ross the boss knows if you have been naughty or nice.

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He just need to stare at me.

 

[Taylor]

He just need to stare at me.

Just smile back, he is a big softie

 

[DannyTheDoorman]

Where did I say otherwise? I was implying Collins was our only KPD in the scenario, on the senior list and we'd want another one and used Smith as an example.

I was clarifying not implying that Collins isn't the only one left and that Smith was a Rookie as you only mentioned Smith by name but he may not be available should Mora get the only spot on the Primary list before that scenario arises.You also didn't consider Ubergang who is a defender.

 

[meima]

Just smile back, he is a big softie

I think RTB a good bloke but not perfect or ideal sometime, just media like to potrait him differently and he play along with them. he should go for family holiday trip every season to freshen up.

 

[freo84]

I think RTB a good bloke but not perfect or ideal sometime, just media like to potrait him differently and he play along with them. he should go for family holiday trip every season to freshen up.

You're quite brilliant meima. [emoji14] [emoji14] [emoji6] [emoji6]

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[meima]

You're quite brilliant meima. [emoji14] [emoji14] [emoji6] [emoji6]

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You are equal , if not better with your hat-trick buddy quote

 

[manpurple]

If you don't have to upgrade a rookie don't. You are better off IMHO waiting till a need dictates. Nothing worst than promoting a mid for no reason and next week needing a KPF.

 

[freo84]

If you don't have to upgrade a rookie don't. You are better off IMHO waiting till a need dictates. Nothing worst than promoting a mid for no reason and next week needing a KPF.

Upgrade Mora so then we have both [emoji106] [emoji2]

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[Freomaniac]

If you don't have to upgrade a rookie don't. You are better off IMHO waiting till a need dictates. Nothing worst than promoting a mid for no reason and next week needing a KPF.

Freo have enough mids and flankers as it is. We don't even have any 190cm forward flankers. Again, were more likely to upgrade a tall.

 

[meima]

Freo have enough mids and flankers as it is. We don't even have any 190cm forward flankers. Again, were more likely to upgrade a tall.

I had no problem with upgrading tall, the problem currently freo face is two of our potential Kpp went down injured. Would't it be better after Nab cup we get to assess player performance and their health ( injuries) then decide who to upgrade.

 

[Docker82]

I had no problem with upgrading tall, the problem currently freo face is two of our potential Kpp went down injured. Would't it be better after Nab cup we get to assess player performance and their health ( injuries) then decide who to upgrade.

Pavlich, Taberner, Apeness, Hannath, Mayne
Johnson, Dawson, Silvagni, Pearce, Collins, Ibbotson

This is a list of players that would be ahead of our rookie KPPs for a spot. Some might not quite be talls but they'd play as a tall if those I've listed ahead were injured/underperforming. It'd take more than two injuries to make it worth upgrading a KPP. Not to mention if it was a defender, I wouldn't be surprised to see Morabito upgraded to play as a third tall. I just can't see the rookie KPPs playing. Smith aside they need more meat on them to play AFL. None of the players above do to the extent they'd be significantly disadvantaged. Smith due to his disposal would have to play as a genuine KPP not third tall. I just can't see that happening tbh. Taberner, Apeness and Pearce are very highly rated by the club and will get opportunities before the rookies.

FWIW last year's AFL Record says this - Clubs without 40 primary-listed players can nominate a rookie before round one. Now nothing there saying you can't after round one but the way I read it and history (can't remember anyone elevating a rookie after round one) it's before round one only and by not doing it we are effectively going one short for the season. So we are looking for the whole year, not just round one. Now Morabito is clearly the rookie most likely to play games throughout the campaign. The chances of us needing one of our KPP rookies without receiving a LTI are just so ridiculously low. You are looking at 4-5 injuries all under 8 weeks durations and no LTIs elsewhere either. If we are in this situation or very close to this situation then maybe but otherwise Morabito every single time.