The last game of Razor Ray's career

[giantsully]

Unquestionably the most one-sided umpiring performance I've ever seen in 30+ years of watching football. So blatant you'd be forced to think it was corrupt.

 

[volcboy]

I didn't see the game today, but despite the inference that the umpires were against Sydney all day, I'm fairly sure that Adam Goodes will still get the 3 Brownlow votes

 

[tb_fanboy]

Absolute w***er! Ted got rid of the ball and Freo player dragged it back him pinged!

Oh wow! that's new i've never heard of that!

 

[GordonGecko]

Anyone want to point out some of these poor decisons?

 

[BIGBEZ]

Anyone want to point out some of these poor decisons?

obviously you havent watched the game or are new to the game

 

[Riders of Rohan]

Anyone want to point out some of these poor decisons?

Care to explain the Grundy/Malceski holding the ball decisions in your forward 50 compared to the Ballentyne non-decision? How about Ballantynes first goal? Or when Lower got tackled standing up made no effort whatsoever to get rid of it and the umpire blew for a ball up? Or when Lower punched Parker in the face (which started the brawl) after a great tackle and no free kick? Or when McPhee punched McGlynn in the face 3 times directly in front of the emergency umpire with no free kick, and then 10 seconds later a free kick to Ballantyne from a tiny jumper punch?

Is consistency too much too ask for?

I hate myself for blaming the umpires, I hate people who do it and I know I'm a hypocrite but I was laughing at the end of the game and the way it finished.

 

[legend166]

Anyone want to point out some of these poor decisons?

50m penalty against Jesse White (explained earlier).

Initial free kick against Kennelly which led to the 50m (50m was probably fair enough)

Holding the ball against Nick Malceski for Mayne (absolutely zero prior opportunity)

Non-holding the ball when Ballantyne got crunched (this was comical. I mean when you explain to someone who doesn't follow the game what HTB is, you'd show them that passage of play. Except the umpire didn't blow the whistle).

Free kick against Grundy for his 'jumper punch' (after seeing the replay on TV, even calling it a punch is generous) after seeing McPhee throw haymakers with no repercussions.

Deciding to pay the first throw of the game with 2 minutes to go directly in front of Fremantle's goal (techically, it was probably a free, but you can't not call that for 119 minutes and then pay it in the 120th).

That ruck 'infringement' against LRT leading to Clarke kicking his first goal.

 

[Riders of Rohan]

50m penalty against Jesse White (explained earlier).

Initial free kick against Kennelly which led to the 50m (50m was probably fair enough)

Holding the ball against Nick Malceski for Mayne (absolutely zero prior opportunity)

Non-holding the ball when Ballantyne got crunched (this was comical. I mean when you explain to someone who doesn't follow the game, you'd show them that passage of play. Except the umpire didn't blow the whistle).

Free kick against Grundy for his 'jumper punch' (after seeing the replay on TV, even calling it a punch is generous) after seeing McPhee throw haymakers with no repercussions.

Deciding to pay the first throw of the game with 2 minutes to go directly in front of Fremantle's goal (techically, it was probably a free, but you can't not call that for 119 minutes and then pay it in the 120th).

That ruck 'infringement' against LRT leading to Clarke kicking his first goal.

Bahaha forgot about that howler, it just gets worse.

 

[legend166]

Bahaha forgot about that howler, it just gets worse.

There was one earlier against LRT where he got pinged for 'shepherding' out the other ruckman. Even though LRT won the tap. So he basically said "you basically made the perfect ruck contest by not allowing the other ruckman to tap it, and then tapping it to your teammate. I am going to pay a free kick against you for that good piece of play!"

 

[liam_13]

Hang on, so one of the free kicks Swans fans are annoyed about is the free against Grundy where he threw it, late in the game? Because it wasn't paid earlier...

Seems to me your gripe should be with the umps not paying earlier throws, not when they actually made the correct decision.

My point is, a rule is a rule, no matter the time and no matter if they haven't paid it earlier. It is still a free.

 

[Mister B]

50m penalty against Jesse White (explained earlier).

Initial free kick against Kennelly which led to the 50m (50m was probably fair enough)

Holding the ball against Nick Malceski for Mayne (absolutely zero prior opportunity)

Non-holding the ball when Ballantyne got crunched (this was comical. I mean when you explain to someone who doesn't follow the game what HTB is, you'd show them that passage of play. Except the umpire didn't blow the whistle).

Free kick against Grundy for his 'jumper punch' (after seeing the replay on TV, even calling it a punch is generous) after seeing McPhee throw haymakers with no repercussions.

Deciding to pay the first throw of the game with 2 minutes to go directly in front of Fremantle's goal (techically, it was probably a free, but you can't not call that for 119 minutes and then pay it in the 120th).

That ruck 'infringement' against LRT leading to Clarke kicking his first goal.

Over to you Gecko.

 

[BIGBEZ]

forget trying to pinpoint the shit decisions or the non decisions or the timing of either of those types, but you dont need to be Einstein to see he was biased.. I just dont get why?

 

[Riders of Rohan]

There was one earlier against LRT where he got pinged for 'shepherding' out the other ruckman. Even though LRT won the tap. So he basically said "you basically made the perfect ruck contest by not allowing the other ruckman to tap it, and then tapping it to your teammate. I am going to pay a free kick against you for that good piece of play!"

That's the one I was talking about, exactly like Will Minson's "shephard" in a marking contest on O'brien against Collingwood except it was in a ruck contest.

 

[Mister B]

Hang on, so one of the free kicks Swans fans are annoyed about is the free against Grundy where he threw it, late in the game? Because it wasn't paid earlier...

Seems to me your gripe should be with the umps not paying earlier throws, not when they actually made the correct decision.

My point is, a rule is a rule, no matter the time and no matter if they haven't paid it earlier. It is still a free.

Except the ball was knocked free in the tackle and was then slapped on which by the rules is not a throw. Also was not paid by an umpire with direct line of sight 15 metres away but was paid by one over 70 metres away with sight obscured.

Sad thing is, the only people arguing against the notion the umpiring today was horrendous are people who haven't actually watched it or can contribute little more than we got the rough deal against you x many rounds / years ago so you deserved it.

 

[legend166]

Hang on, so one of the free kicks Swans fans are annoyed about is the free against Grundy where he threw it, late in the game? Because it wasn't paid earlier...

Seems to me your gripe should be with the umps not paying earlier throws, not when they actually made the correct decision.

My point is, a rule is a rule, no matter the time and no matter if they haven't paid it earlier. It is still a free.

You don't see the frustration when the umpires decide to ignore a rule for the entire match (heck, with this rule it's more like the entire season. They barely ping anyone for throws these days), only to pick one out with a minute to go, directly in front of one teams goal, when the teams are separated by 6 points? (yes Essendon fans, I see the resemblance).

I bet if you asked most footy fans, they'd rather the umpires be consistent than technically correct.

 

[GordonGecko]

Initial free kick against Kennelly which led to the 50m (50m was probably fair enough)

Clearly chopped the arms.

Holding the ball against Nick Malceski for Mayne (absolutely zero prior opportunity)

There is a difference between having no prior opportunity and not making an attempt. Malceski went limp, that is holding the ball.

Non-holding the ball when Ballantyne got crunched (this was comical. I mean when you explain to someone who doesn't follow the game what HTB is, you'd show them that passage of play. Except the umpire didn't blow the whistle).

Firstly, that was lucky not to be in the back to Ballantyne, secondly unlike Malceski Ballantyne made an effort to move the ball on by hand.

Play on was the right call.

Free kick against Grundy for his 'jumper punch' (after seeing the replay on TV, even calling it a punch is generous) after seeing McPhee throw haymakers with no repercussions.

The actions of others prior to any kick do not dictate the outcome of any free kicks to come. It was dumb by Grundy, he was sucked in and paid the price.

That's no fault of the umpire, it lays squarely at Grundy's feet.

Deciding to pay the first throw of the game with 2 minutes to go directly in front of Fremantle's goal (techically, it was probably a free, but you can't not call that for 119 minutes and then pay it in the 120th).

That was clearly a throw. How you can argue against it is bemusing.

The fact that it was 20 metres out from Fremantles goal should make no difference in whether it is paid or not.

The commentators applauded the umpires for the decison.

I think you might just be a sore loser.

 

[Defacto]

50m penalty against Jesse White (explained earlier).

Initial free kick against Kennelly which led to the 50m (50m was probably fair enough)

Holding the ball against Nick Malceski for Mayne (absolutely zero prior opportunity)

Non-holding the ball when Ballantyne got crunched (this was comical. I mean when you explain to someone who doesn't follow the game what HTB is, you'd show them that passage of play. Except the umpire didn't blow the whistle).

Free kick against Grundy for his 'jumper punch' (after seeing the replay on TV, even calling it a punch is generous) after seeing McPhee throw haymakers with no repercussions.

Deciding to pay the first throw of the game with 2 minutes to go directly in front of Fremantle's goal (techically, it was probably a free, but you can't not call that for 119 minutes and then pay it in the 120th).

That ruck 'infringement' against LRT leading to Clarke kicking his first goal.

absolutely spot on mate!!!

mcphee instigated that whole melee and started throwing haymakers. when the whistle went i though it'd be a swans free. was absolutely gob smacked when it went freo's way.

 

[Defacto]

Clearly chopped the arms.



There is a difference between having no prior opportunity and not making an attempt. Malceski went limp, that is holding the ball.



Firstly, that was lucky not to be in the back to Ballantyne, secondly unlike Malceski Ballantyne made an effort to move the ball on by hand.

Play on was the right call.



The actions of others prior to any kick do not dictate the outcome of any free kicks to come. It was dumb by Grundy, he was sucked in and paid the price.

That's no fault of the umpire, it lays squarely at Grundy's feet.



That was clearly a throw. How you can argue against it is bemusing.

The fact that it was 20 metres out from Fremantles goal should make no difference in whether it is paid or not.

The commentators applauded the umpires for the decison.

I think you might just be a sore loser.

so you can ignore mcphee instigating a melee and throwing haymakers. one actually connected i believe. but immediately after this you can pay a free against sydney for something that happened in the melee? rrriggghhhttt

you're being very selective in your defence

 

[.Shotties.]

Clearly chopped the arms.



There is a difference between having no prior opportunity and not making an attempt. Malceski went limp, that is holding the ball.

His arms were wrapped up in the tackle. how could he make an attempt?

The actions of others prior to any kick do not dictate the outcome of any free kicks to come. It was dumb by Grundy, he was sucked in and paid the price.

I think it comes into play when discussing consistent application of the rules. A number of punches from Freo players that landed were not paid and a jumper punch.by Grundy, after Balla had a few air swipes I might add, was given a free.

Tell me what you thought of the first free of the day, given to Balla.

 

[No1SwansFan]

NO one complaining about the ridiculous free in front of goal where a swans player lowered his head, headbutted Fyfe in the chest and then kicked a goal from the free?

Ok that free kick was actually LRT and it was absolutely there. He was bent over picking the ball up off the ground when Fyfe came into tackle. Had he ducked into the tackle fair game but he didnt he was picking the ball up and was tackled as he was standing.

 

[Defacto]

this thread is reminding me why i avoid freo supporters.

 

[BIGBEZ]

Tell me what you thought of the first free of the day, given to Balla.

that one really set the tone for the rest of the game, Ballantyne initiated the contact and threw himself to the ground it was blatant cheating, however I didnt blame the ump for it at the time coz I just thought he got stooged by a cheat.. that one anyway.. I actually thought at the time that Razor would have been alerted to the cheating act and the umpiring might have swung our way because of it, but it didnt.

 

[legend166]

Clearly chopped the arms.

Disagree.

There is a difference between having no prior opportunity and not making an attempt. Malceski went limp, that is holding the ball.

He did make an effort. He got tackled over the line within about two seconds. Not holding the ball.

Firstly, that was lucky not to be in the back to Ballantyne, secondly unlike Malceski Ballantyne made an effort to move the ball on by hand.

Play on was the right call.

That makes no sense at all. The 'effort' only applies when there is dubious prior opportunity. If a player picks the ball up and runs for 5m it doesn't matter whether he makes an effort. If he doesn't dispose of it, that's holding the ball.

The actions of others prior to any kick do not dictate the outcome of any free kicks to come. It was dumb by Grundy, he was sucked in and paid the price.

That's no fault of the umpire, it lays squarely at Grundy's feet.

See previous posts on consistency.

That was clearly a throw. How you can argue against it is bemusing.

The fact that it was 20 metres out from Fremantles goal should make no difference in whether it is paid or not.

The commentators applauded the umpires for the decison.

I think you might just be a sore loser.

But Grundy was just making an effort to get rid of the ball! Play on!

 

[No1SwansFan]

The actions of others prior to any kick do not dictate the outcome of any free kicks to come. It was dumb by Grundy, he was sucked in and paid the price.

That's no fault of the umpire, it lays squarely at Grundy's feet.

Forgetting all other decisions for a second this one bugs me. Grundy is holding the moron at arms length with an open hand while he has grundy by the shirt front trying to lay jumper punches and Grundy gets a free against???? WTF.

I would have no objection to the umpiring today if the same decisions had been paid in the same situations and they werent. 1 minute it was holding the ball the next was play on it just depended on what colour you were wearing. 2 of the umpires today were atrocious and the other was barely passable. Ray Chamberlain is obviously a paid up member of many clubs and I am so glad the swans rejected him.

 

[Mister B]

Clearly chopped the arms.
Clearly? The player himself thought he had given the free kick away for holding the man, starting to argue before realising it was his.


There is a difference between having no prior opportunity and not making an attempt. Malceski went limp, that is holding the ball.
Malceski had no prior opportunity and quite clearly made two solid punches at the ball before being taken out of play. Let's be honest you're speaking out your arse.



Firstly, that was lucky not to be in the back to Ballantyne, secondly unlike Malceski Ballantyne made an effort to move the ball on by hand.
Can't see how in the back is paid when you tackle someone to the side. Ballantyn made little effort, if not less effort than Malceski with more opportunity.




The actions of others prior to any kick do not dictate the outcome of any free kicks to come. It was dumb by Grundy, he was sucked in and paid the price.

When the same umpire has just watched two players punch the opposition in the face multiple times and called a throw in instead of paying a free kick and then pays a free for a jumper punch despite watching Ballantyn lay three himself and still be swinging when he copped his own I'd say prior interpretations of actions certainly come into play. If punching a bloke in the face three times is deemed legal I can't see how the interpretation changes not even 30 seconds later?



That was clearly a throw. How you can argue against it is bemusing.

The fact that it was 20 metres out from Fremantles goal should make no difference in whether it is paid or not.

The commentators applauded the umpires for the decison.


One commentator applauded the decision. The same commentator that seems to think that the umpire who paid the free kick is a more valuable contributor to the game than the players out there. The same commentator that managed to give Leon Davis three votes in a match where he hardly touched the ball and his own supporters were calling for his dropping from the senior side. Please.

Just wondering. Did you actually watch the game or did you make your own mental image of the game based on radio coverage or what people were reporting on threads?