The Leg Spin Thread

[PTizzle]

I roll a few leggies down.

I've got the skidder that goes straight on.

Then I've got the leg break, that also goes straight on.

And if it bounces twice that's the wrong un.

I do wonder as I tire in the nets at what point I go from "leg-spin" to "right-arm slow", just hurling down 60km/h thunderbolts that don't move at all.

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

I roll a few leggies down.

I've got the skidder that goes straight on.

Then I've got the leg break, that also goes straight on.

And if it bounces twice that's the wrong un.

The flipper is the one that doesn't bounce at all then?

 

[fishardansin]

Hey guys. I have a young fella who is very raw 13 year old. Leftie who turns the ball a ridiculous amount. Has zero control .... and I'm not much use to him as an ex quickey.

What do you guys recommend regards a mentor? I live close to both Essendon and Carlton, would any of you recommend one of those clubs regards having a leggy who'd happily take a kid under his wing .... if he showed enough potential?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I'm going to sound like an absolute dick here but I'd recommend he gives the wrist spinners away and try left arm orthodox.

Left arm wrist spin is just such a tough gig. The penetration of an off spinner with the control of a leggie... worst of both worlds. There have been so few left arm wrist spinners reach a high level.

 

[Zach Package]

I'm going to sound like an absolute dick here but I'd recommend he gives the wrist spinners away and try left arm orthodox.

Left arm wrist spin is just such a tough gig. The penetration of an off spinner with the control of a leggie... worst of both worlds. There have been so few left arm wrist spinners reach a high level.

don't necessarily agree with this, the thing about left arm chinaman is there's absolutely none out there, so if the kid persists with it batsmen will struggle with it just because they come across it so rarely. Even half decent leg spinners at club level put batsmen in a tizzy just because they're not used to facing anyone more than a part time net roller.

good left arm wristies are just as good as right armers imo, we just haven't seen a really elite level left arm wrist spinner since hoggy.

 

[Torz]

Hey guys. I have a young fella who is very raw 13 year old. Leftie who turns the ball a ridiculous amount. Has zero control .... and I'm not much use to him as an ex quickey.

What do you guys recommend regards a mentor? I live close to both Essendon and Carlton, would any of you recommend one of those clubs regards having a leggy who'd happily take a kid under his wing .... if he showed enough potential?

Is he trying different types of deliveries every ball? Do you notice discernible differences in his run-up or action delivery to delivery?

 

[fishardansin]

I'm going to sound like an absolute dick here but I'd recommend he gives the wrist spinners away and try left arm orthodox.

Left arm wrist spin is just such a tough gig. The penetration of an off spinner with the control of a leggie... worst of both worlds. There have been so few left arm wrist spinners reach a high level.

I know what you're saying. However, I think it is worth a crack. Done properly it will drift away and rip back, much more than a finger spinner will. I think there's not been many left handed leggies because not many have had a crack at it. Bevan and Hogg were batsmen who bowled it and could be really challenging.

Last year my boy was bowling quick but he has never played before and was quite nervous ... hence all over the place. But he is a strongly built kid and can generate some decent pace.

However, I was having a bowl with him out in the middle before the last game last year and he showed me his leg spin. It was landing 2 meters short of the batting crease and in line ... and off the pitch before it traveled the remaining 3 meters to me behind the stumps.

I told him to focus on that. I reckon he can push them through a bit more and have a toppy and an Afridi type faster ball for the next season or two and do a lot of damage. Then down the track he can work on his leggie because it seems people struggle to pick lefties.

 

[fishardansin]

 

[Doodlesweaver]

don't necessarily agree with this, the thing about left arm chinaman is there's absolutely none out there, so if the kid persists with it batsmen will struggle with it just because they come across it so rarely. Even half decent leg spinners at club level put batsmen in a tizzy just because they're not used to facing anyone more than a part time net roller.

good left arm wristies are just as good as right armers imo, we just haven't seen a really elite level left arm wrist spinner since hoggy.

Simon Katich never bowled enough. He could give it a real tweak.

 

[Torz]

Bevan got a 10 wicket haul? Never knew that. I need to somehow get the wrong-un working, such a good delivery if you can land it.

 

[Wallaby]

Just on work on the basic leg break (lefty version). You have to have that down pat first before you start worrying too much about variation..........................

 

[The Speaker]

Just on work on the basic leg break (lefty version). You have to have that down pat first before you start worrying too much about variation..........................

Cannot emphasise this enough. Variations can come later.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Disagree... not for the first time in this thread!

I reckon if you're going to bowl left arm wrist spin you MUST have a wrong un in the arsenal, right from the start.

Otherwise you'll just get pogoed over midwicket the entire time and even your good balls will disappear. Need something in the repertoire to make the batters uncertain and to stop them hitting with the spin.

Right arm leggie I can understand, but keep in mind that they turn away from the bat. Their stock ball is the dangerous one.

You know how leggies hate bowling to left handers? That's what it's like for a left arm wrist spinner the entire time. Unless they've got a good wrong un.

 

[SJ]

There is no difference between left and right arm wrist spin, you can have more than half a batting card as left handers anyway.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

There is no difference between left and right arm wrist spin, you can have more than half a batting card as left handers anyway.

Check some percentages

 

[The Speaker]

Disagree... not for the first time in this thread!

I reckon if you're going to bowl left arm wrist spin you MUST have a wrong un in the arsenal, right from the start.

Otherwise you'll just get pogoed over midwicket the entire time and even your good balls will disappear. Need something in the repertoire to make the batters uncertain and to stop them hitting with the spin.

Right arm leggie I can understand, but keep in mind that they turn away from the bat. Their stock ball is the dangerous one.

You know how leggies hate bowling to left handers? That's what it's like for a left arm wrist spinner the entire time. Unless they've got a good wrong un.

Why? What advantage will be gained as a thirteen year old by trying to do everything at once?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Why? What advantage will be gained as a thirteen year old by trying to do everything at once?

Two things at once.

Do young batters learn to play front foot shots AND back foot shots? Or concentrate on one until they are late teens before branching out?

If he bowls stock standard wrist spin with no variation his loose balls will get punished (as is the case for all young spinners) and so will his good balls. What captain is going to throw him the ball? If they are worried he'll leak runs then they won't bowl him.

He needs some way of surviving in the game, of enjoying it and of having some success.

Bamboozling the batters is the one thing spinners have in their favour. That's why you'd bowl spin in the first place. That's where the fun is.

 

[fishardansin]

Before everyone carries on about getting him to bowl everything I think a leggie and a toppy is heaps for a young kid. The fact that he's strongly built means that he should be able to slip a quick seam up yorker against other juniors should get him a few wickets too.

 

[Zach Package]

Simon Katich never bowled enough. He could give it a real tweak.

had really solid mechanics, could have taken it a lot further should he have chosen to do so

 

[PTizzle]

Before everyone carries on about getting him to bowl everything I think a leggie and a toppy is heaps for a young kid. The fact that he's strongly built means that he should be able to slip a quick seam up yorker against other juniors should get him a few wickets too.

We were just talking about the quick one in the arsenal before, definitely a handy thing at the lower levels I think (well, I hope at least!).

I'd applaud him and tell him to stick with it, it's such a unique style. will confuse the crap out of junior blokes if he can get some flight/dip.

 

[nick1408]

I might wade into this debate.

As a kid up until I was 17 I bowled left arm leggies. My main issue was control. Could spin it miles but could never land it. I did switch to offies but because I was seen as someone with no control I couldn't shift the idea in the captains minds that I couldn't bowl.

As I moved around with work other people with no preconceptions saw me bowl and I started to take a few wickets as a left arm orthodox bowler.

I moved back to my original club and again I was seen as someone who couldn't bowl, just this time as an adult.

My suggestion is if he cannot get control soon he may not become a bowler.

Is he landing say 3 out of 6? If so, persist with it. If not, I would be concerned about developing to land enough without being dispatched. This isn't just for left armers either, it really goes for any spinner in my opinion. It's great if you can bowl them but as per anyone control is the main issue. Line and length first, then add in the other ammunition to create the arsenal

 

[Dipper]

Took a double hattrick on debut. Huge thrill. Never matched it again.

You should speak to Narendra Hirwani about never living up to your debut.

 

[fishardansin]

We were just talking about the quick one in the arsenal before, definitely a handy thing at the lower levels I think (well, I hope at least!).

I'd applaud him and tell him to stick with it, it's such a unique style. will confuse the crap out of junior blokes if he can get some flight/dip.

As I said earlier he does rip it a long way and gets plenty of bounce too. I haven't noticed a lot of drift or dip though.

He is a kid who responds well to a mentor, as long as it ain't dad, so I posted here to see if anyone recommends a club like Essendon or Carlton as one with a top leggy. I think they'd be interested in a kid who can turn it that far without training. Just as they would if a kid could bowl over 130 as a 13 year old.

I read about Agar training with Richmond when he was 14 or 15 and thought a club would love to have such a rough diamond on their books.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

You can contact those clubs by searching on MyCricket

Should have contact details and be able to point you in the right direction.

Also might be worth looking on the cricket Victoria website to see who the cricket development officer is for your area. They've usually got an idea of what's on offer

 

[fishardansin]

Thanks mate I'll take those up.