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The Lesson Learned

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ThirdLegUp

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I am writing this to try and help people bring everything into perspective, and help those who haven't fully recovered from this latest bulldog ripsnorter. Let us not focus on the infinite details, the bullets and the bombs as we huddle together in this trench. I post this for some acceptable clarity so that we can try and muster enough understanding and willpower to all leap out f the trench together. Not in dribs and drabs, none of us will make the next trench like that.

I feel the recent events are a lesson that we all must recognise and write down in stone. For we as supporters are not without guilt. I have done my soul searching and have found my blood lust again. Through the clarity of the all seeing red haze a lesson is there loud and clear.

Take out the board and the players and the supporters and the AFL if you need, but at the center, at the burning core you will see one error, two people, that caused all others to manifest in a domino effect which came to an end exactly where it began. The Road To Hell Is Paved With Good Intentions. The First Brick and the Last Brick was Captain Ryan Griffen

I will not go into the behind the scenes details which some have been told or informed with more or less clarity then others. What's done is done, going into it will only make things worse. But all our problems revolve around Griffen being made Captain.

Ryan Griffen is not a weak man, he is both couragous and brave, on the field, graceful and skilled too. We as bulldog supporters have seen this closer then all others over the years. and from what i hear he is a very likeable chap off field too. However he is aloof, not considered an intellectual by any stretch of the imagination and cannot be considered to take his football as seriously as Matty Boyd for example. None of these things are a problem of course, for Ryan Griffen is a soldier, a grunt, and he excels at this. But he was never born to be a man of Rank. We as supporters (yes many if not most cheered at his captaincy) as well as the club the players and the coach are guilty of taking Ryan's worst attribute, his quiet, timid nature, and placing it in the firing line to be abused at every opportunity.

All of the problems that have unfolded are quiet simply due to this, well intentioned, but disastrous move. With Ryan unable to be even a passable off field leader, who could speak, who could order or give a clip and who could be a figure others would be confident in approaching should anything arise requiring a leader to handle for them, the personalities that we have at our club were always going to become a problem.

Some could rightly argue that our last team to make a premiership run had more and greater personalities then this group can lay claim too. Yet Brad Johnson was at the Helm, and more then capable of bringing order to the court of the bulldog, not even the great AFL Loki " Acker" could bring about the clubs downfall, only his own ass being kicked out the door. When the smarmy, smart mouth, cocky natures of Minson, Cooney, higgins, Jones and so on (remnants of this time) are unleashed against our enemies it is a benefit to our football club and our team. The problem becomes apparent, when those very same assets become liabilites, as they are not truned off or curbed by fear of repurcussion should it be brought home to roost and fester. When the internal problems arose, the young had no where to go, their Captian stuck fat with his mates never taking a moment to assess how this would effect his duties as Captin.

Any communication between Coach and Captian was destined to go no further then betwen them, communication break down at the very first cup with a piece of string to it. This requires the couch to go to each player himself, which is not possible in todays climate. If a group go to the coach themselves, this is not little issue, it is a CRISIS! The Captain is vital.

Had something as simple as Matty Boyd remaining at the Helm,(something i and many others would have argued against) i am almost dead certain none of the drama which unfolded would have gotten off the ground. Boyd is a no bullshit type, all professional, no joing during business hours type. Any player young or old would have had their heads knocked back in at the moment their neck got a little long. And fued would have been mediated by Boyd and if need both would have been discaplined. Any player who felt they needed to speak would have had no reservation or hesitation to approach Boyd with Confidence he would do his part for them. The Coach, assisstant coaches, line managers, department heads all the way to PG himself would have had open communication lines. But with Grifffen, you have a deaf dumb and blind mute as the open line between players and everyone else... he just wants to play, not worry about all this other crap.

Macca's First mistake was even allowing Griffen to be an option for Boyd to approach. It was his first and last nail. Regardless of what people think of his ability, it is irrelevent. None of his genius or useless would have meant a thing had he not made that fatal error of allowing Griffen to be Captain, instead of Boyd, for one more year.

And in this, we here are all just as guilty. So you can hate on Griffen, for his faults and his inherant weakness of leadership which ultimately lead him to run from disputes, run form criticism, run from anything other then playing on the weekend and piss farting around in his spare time and keep running from anything outside that. The only thing that keeps Ryan Griffen from being one of those surfie bums who lives of the government is his football ability.He runs from anything remotely requiring work he doesn't enjoy, as weak leaders do by nature. Or you can accept macca sealed his own fate with 1 error, greater then all others. This was a tiny domino that appeared very unassuming, but when it fell, there was no stopping the effect as each one fell after it, gaining speed until they came back around to where they started.

I post this as a lesson learned. We cannot ever choose a Captain that is a weak leader of men off the field, for it is clearly displayed just how brutal that story ends, It stirs up problems everywhere, cuts them of from lines of communications and they reach critical mass. Not just the coach going, but the players divided, the board divided and the fans divided, the club looking foolish. When discussing the order of a crime, you follow the money they say, but when looking for the problem at a football club, you look for the face that is present in every situation. At the end of the day, Griffens presence and absence when he should have been present in most if not ALL the events both hidden and aired since are clearly there.

Many of us supported Macca, and some did not, and a lot didn't know one way or the other, this is fine, and probably as it should be. But all parties need to accept that whether he could coach, build or develop is irrelevent now. He made a mistake and it travelled the world coming back to kill him. End of story. Finished.

We cannot afford to ever have another Ryan Griffen as Captain, they not only destroy the club through their inaction and inability to lead men of many walks, but their own reputations too.

In summery, Macca allowed Griffen to be Captain = Macca pays the price, everything on the sides and in between is no longer relevent. If the next Captain is a true Leader = Any spot fires that remain will be stamped out very quickly, or they will be following Griffen and Macca.

Thank ye muchly

I hope this simplification, back to basics of all the info i have, some of which i haven't told and never will, as an approach can give you some peace if you are still anguishing. it is time to pick ourselves of the mat, and put the fists up, because the AFL and the new modern way is going to need a l lot of punches before we conquer it. Sure we still might lose, and vanish, but i'll be ****ed if i go down without a fight.

@BeMoreBulldog
 
If your thesis* is right, surely we would be better placed with a leadership group and/or co-captains? That provides the players and club with multiple channels of communication in case one fails or is incapable of executing the leadership duties.

So wasn't scrapping the practice of having a leadership group another cause of this disaster?

* I use the word advisedly!
 
If your thesis* is right, surely we would be better placed with a leadership group and/or co-captains? That provides the players and club with multiple channels of communication in case one fails or is incapable of executing the leadership duties.

So wasn't scrapping the practice of having a leadership group another cause of this disaster?

* I use the word advisedly!
Indeed, a leadership group can work, but a Captain is a must. A figured head is always required for all to recognise, in my opinion and experience. two captains doesn't work for the same reason a democracy of 2 doesn't work. |
In theory you have compromise, in reality you have two animals with opposable thumbs and fancy growls. nothing more.
But having a leadership group of mates for example doesn't help. The problem many clubs have had was simply declaring those of 200 games or those over a certain age are leadership... doesn't work so well, just becomes the old boys club. Not saying this is what you're implying, just stating the negatives.
But in professional team environments the leaders will rise on their own, no one needs to declare them a leadership group. everyone will know who has sway and everyone will thus have an avenue to the Captiain through another party if they themselves cannot approach him. However the Captain must be a leader, and this leader, must then take what has been said, and carry it to the authority required, fullfilling his duty, but then go to who has said it and ask why they could not approach him. Because there is a line break there. No one should be scared to go to the team captain.
 

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I agree that the selection of Captain was a key poor decision from Macca, with serious ramifications.

Perhaps the result of GWS taking our future Captain in Callan ward was them having access to our best player as well.

That's a sobering thought, but I'm not dwelling. I still reckon as long as we make the right decisions over the next 2-3 weeks we are looking very good for the near future. Fingers crossed!
 
Thank you ThirdLegUp, great post. It is good to have everyone here to talk and listen to at times like this. Only thing I would say is, how were supporters supposed to know appointing Griff as captain would be such a bad move, and even if we had, I can't see it would have made any difference unless we went down and had a mass protest at WO. May be a few other lessons to be learned from it all too.

Good on you.
 
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I agree that the selection of Captain was a key poor decision from Macca, with serious ramifications.
who else is responsible for the appointment of the captain? In this modern era we have football dept managers over the coach, football directors on the board, doesn't the board have to approve an appointment, the president?

Further, I wish the club would come out and say that macca isn't coach because he couldn't coach. This comms breakdown isn't cutting it given the fact that a large part of the breakdown was caused by the captain.
 
Ripping post mate.

I wonder if anyone did speak up with reservations when the appointment was mooted? Clearly people/Macca thought Ryan would grow in to the role but boy did they get that wrong.
 
Ummm ... so is that a Yes or a No?
Would a leadership group have pre-empted the problem?
i would like to think it would have to be honest Dogwatch.. is that wrong? a poor leadership group is still better then 1 inefectual leader, i cannot escape this idea to argue against the leadership group.
 
I'm no fan of Luke Hodge on-field, but I think he's the sort of player, or personality, who thrives on the Captaincy - as did Mitchell before him.

As you say, 3NP, Griff's personality is the opposite of that. He thrives on being away from the spotlight.

What the club needs now is a Hodge. We may not have one, but we might have a couple of players in a mould similar to him.

Looking at Jake Stringer, Roughy, Koby Stevens after what's been said last week, maybe Hrovat or Smith in time. Perhaps the Dahl?

In hindsight (20/20 of course) the last bloke we needed as captain was Griff. It has damaged us, and no doubt damaged him.

Terrible result.
 

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Can I just pop in with another point of view here?

We at Port Adelaide were in a similar position of crisis a couple of years ago, when we appointed Travis Boak as captain. Now it's well known that this has turned out very well for us, and maybe you could say that Boak proves the importance of getting the captaincy right just as much as the Griffen case does.

But anyway, we had a bit of a function around Mothers Day this year (I think it was Mum's Day but can't remember) and all the families of the players had a dinner before the game and Travis Boak's mum was interviewed and she said "Oh I didn't know he had these leadership abilities in him." before he was made captain.

So you know, if even Mum doesn't know if he's going to be any good or not, so the problem is appointing a captain is always a bit of a crapshoot. You just don't know what you're going to get.

Anyway good luck getting things back on track. From what I can see you got a ripping litter of kids there so as long as you get a good captain and coach you'll be back up the ladder in 2016 for sure.
 
Can I just pop in with another point of view here?

We at Port Adelaide were in a similar position of crisis a couple of years ago, when we appointed Travis Boak as captain. Now it's well known that this has turned out very well for us, and maybe you could say that Boak proves the importance of getting the captaincy right just as much as the Griffen case does.

But anyway, we had a bit of a function around Mothers Day this year (I think it was Mum's Day but can't remember) and all the families of the players had a dinner before the game and Travis Boak's mum was interviewed and she said "Oh I didn't know he had these leadership abilities in him." before he was made captain.

So you know, if even Mum doesn't know if he's going to be any good or not, so the problem is appointing a captain is always a bit of a crapshoot. You just don't know what you're going to get.

Anyway good luck getting things back on track. From what I can see you got a ripping litter of kids there so as long as you get a good captain and coach you'll be back up the ladder in 2016 for sure.
Regardless of how Ryan Griffen was perceived as a captain you cannot fault his loyalty and commitment to the Bulldogs. I am sure that he would still be at the Bulldogs if the Club had shown him the same loyalty. Similarly Cooney has shown similar loyal qualities to the Club. Many approaches have been made to these 2 to return to South Australia but they wanted to remain 1 club players. I heard that Griffen was very disappointed to be told that Cooney and he were offered to the Crows in the faint hope that they could get Dangerfield. If this was true do not suddenly turn your vitriol on 2 great servants of the Bulldogs who were not shown the same respect and loyalty as they gave over many many games for the Club. Who can blame them for wanting out!
 
Regardless of how Ryan Griffen was perceived as a captain you cannot fault his loyalty and commitment to the Bulldogs. I am sure that he would still be at the Bulldogs if the Club had shown him the same loyalty. Similarly Cooney has shown similar loyal qualities to the Club. Many approaches have been made to these 2 to return to South Australia but they wanted to remain 1 club players. I heard that Griffen was very disappointed to be told that Cooney and he were offered to the Crows in the faint hope that they could get Dangerfield. If this was true do not suddenly turn your vitriol on 2 great servants of the Bulldogs who were not shown the same respect and loyalty as they gave over many many games for the Club. Who can blame them for wanting out!

Hi Ryan's mum.
 

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Regardless of how Ryan Griffen was perceived as a captain you cannot fault his loyalty and commitment to the Bulldogs. I am sure that he would still be at the Bulldogs if the Club had shown him the same loyalty. Similarly Cooney has shown similar loyal qualities to the Club. Many approaches have been made to these 2 to return to South Australia but they wanted to remain 1 club players. I heard that Griffen was very disappointed to be told that Cooney and he were offered to the Crows in the faint hope that they could get Dangerfield. If this was true do not suddenly turn your vitriol on 2 great servants of the Bulldogs who were not shown the same respect and loyalty as they gave over many many games for the Club. Who can blame them for wanting out!

Utter crap!
 

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