The LOSS Response Thread

[Marlin01]

I think the umpiring wasn't great but far from the reason we lost.

Free kicks:
Carlton 23
West Coast 13

Nah, probably wasn't the reason you lost.

 

[Obeanie1]

Lynch offered one week. Fair enough too ..

I heartily disagree. Was that for the Murphy bump in the last? Should have gone for the high shepherd in the second as well, much worse incident

Just found out he got 45 points for the high shepherd. RIDICULOUS. Should of been 2 weeks.

From how I read it he was offered 3 weeks for one offence downgraded to 1 + carry over points due to a good record and an early plea, this got him a 50% reduction.

He copped 45 points from the other incident.

I think the hip on head was more dangerous and got the 3 weeks, the sheppard that slipped high got the 45 points.

Which is fair IMO. Deserved weeks + points but Murphy played on and no blood / cuts / concussion resulted.

Now just remember people last season Juddy threw back an elbow lying on the ground and split Pavlich's cheek open and got nothing, not even 45 points.

 

[ESKIE]

From how I read it he was offered 3 weeks for one offence downgraded to 1 + carry over points due to a good record and an early plea, this got him a 50% reduction.

He copped 45 points from the other incident.

I think the hip on head was more dangerous and got the 3 weeks, the sheppard that slipped high got the 45 points.

Which is fair IMO. Deserved weeks + points but Murphy played on and no blood / cuts / concussion resulted.

Now just remember people last season Juddy threw back an elbow lying on the ground and split Pavlich's cheek open and got nothing, not even 45 points.

Tell someone who cares you moron, you can leave now either that or give this clown a card

 

[Blue and Silver]

From how I read it he was offered 3 weeks for one offence downgraded to 1 + carry over points due to a good record and an early plea, this got him a 50% reduction.

He copped 45 points from the other incident.

I think the hip on head was more dangerous and got the 3 weeks, the sheppard that slipped high got the 45 points.

Which is fair IMO. Deserved weeks + points but Murphy played on and no blood / cuts / concussion resulted.

Now just remember people last season Juddy threw back an elbow lying on the ground and split Pavlich's cheek open and got nothing, not even 45 points.

If you care to read my other posts you might find my argument for why I believe Lynch got off lightly. Given this discussion has already been had, and you have contributed nothing but a shot at a champion I'd say you should take Bluesque's advice

 

[kranky al]

You can't call the first two accidents, they were shepherds, poorly executed which could of been very dangerous to the players he hit. The last Murphy was perhaps negligent, but the contact was much more flush.

You are entitled to your opinion, but Lynch was involved in 4 incidents where smaller players were on the receiving end of high bumps. Calling him a sniper based on this evidence seems fair to me

lynch is more an oaf than a sniper. has not been near an mrp for 5 years. constantly bagged on our board for not making his strength count. in the last few weeks he has and this week he overdid it a bit. doesnt help that he turns and reacts like a nuclear powered aircraft carrier.

 

[berisha]

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Tell someone who cares you moron, you can leave now either that or give this clown a card

But he is 100% right. Accident? Yes. Reckless? Yes. Lucky? Yes.

 

[ESKIE]

From how I read it he was offered 3 weeks for one offence downgraded to 1 + carry over points due to a good record and an early plea, this got him a 50% reduction.

He copped 45 points from the other incident.

I think the hip on head was more dangerous and got the 3 weeks, the sheppard that slipped high got the 45 points.

Which is fair IMO. Deserved weeks + points but Murphy played on and no blood / cuts / concussion resulted.

Now just remember people last season Juddy threw back an elbow lying on the ground and split Pavlich's cheek open and got nothing, not even 45 points.

Pretty gutless sending me snipey PM...I would appreciate if you didn;t do it again, I didn;t like the content it was sub standard like your posting, you can leave now, by the way do not call me mate got it?

 

[ESKIE]

But he is 100% right. Accident? Yes. Reckless? Yes. Lucky? Yes.

Cheap shot yes....moronic yes,

 

[Blue and Silver]

I've had this discussion before. I will not have it again. Lynch got off cheap IMO. I won't change my mind, if you want to know why inspect my posts in this thread. Goodnight

 

[kranky al]

at the risk of firing you guys up - and i dont want to - i supported the blues before the eagles came along - i like reading this forum and enjoy your success - but - lynch isnt a sniper.

if beau waters was in the same place and got done for 6 - id whinge a bit - but at the end of the day i know beau is an enforcer and to another team thats a sniper. lynch isnt - and if you had watched him over his career you would know that he doesnt have a mean streak in him.

 

[The Coach]

the loss we had to have. WC did to us what we do to other teams, out pressured. well played wc.

I have to admit to taking the 5.25 about WC and my major worry turned out to be the 39.5 in the end. I do not usually bet on football esp. against us but it was a value bet. We know we are not quite at Geelong or Collingwood's level and able to sustain a long run w/o a loss when heavily hit by injury. It was 4th v 5th and Woosha would have built it up to be a final. They were playing for their season because everyone knows that you don't go far if you cannot win in Melbourne and you don't finish top 4. The Kreuze factor nearly talked me out of the gamble, he added so much last week but then I worried that he was like the racehorse who puts in an incredible performance first or second up and it flattens them for their next start. I cannot say I was totally happy with Ratts putting some big wraps on the Sydney performance either - the one (AND ONLY) thing I like about Malthouse is his unwavering 'we have a long way to go' attitude.

We will be much better when we get Waite, Robbo, Doogs and hopefully Bower back in the team. Rotten timing for Hammo as he was coming good and of course Jammo, who has been inspirational this year. Taking marks in the forward 50 is essential and at full strength we have the option to throw Thorton forward for a lift (even if Ratts rarely does it) If we can get a fit Ed and Carlos knocking on the door too, we are probably a bit better than WC but they are a fairly balanced team. Blubear was so right about the holding on Juddy - seemed to have Kerr permanently attached to his wrist and he may have been crook enough to miss if there weren't already so many out. The biggest loss on current form was Robbo - he has literally been dynamite. Don't judge me too harshly for the wager, it was too good a consolation prize to pass up.

So - if you line someone up but miss, you should get suspended? That would be interesting on appeal ..

Yep, if the AFL was in government you would get nothing for attempted murder. Last week, Joel Corey's was the biggest sling tackle of the 3 but he got nothing because the guy bounced.

 

[BlueTongue]

Really dissapointed with today.

Allowed them to spread way too quickly, way to many uncontested marks to Eagles players all day long.

Yeah losing Jamo hurt, and not having Waite and Duigan was a blow, that reduced us to a pack of dwarves and Robinson, Curnow and Hampson would have been handy inclusions.

Still, they beat us on the rebound.

Lynch will get three weeks. At least. He's gone twice (both for cleaning up Murphy).

Cannot believe he only got 2 weeks, MRP are a joke these days, Buddy shoulda got more than a week too!

 

[Malifice]

Completely outplayed yesterday.
Our entries into the F50 were shamefull, and the way West Coast waltzed the ball out was embarassing.

Watching it on the Laptop, every time they rebounded from our F50, it was up the wing, to unmarked players.

Not a Blue on screen most of the time.

They just moved the ball out of D50 with contemptuous ease.

We just looked flatfooted and unprepared to contest for 3/4 of that match.

And there was not the usual tackling aggression and pressure either, something that we've been so good at for the rest of the year. Thank God we werent playing the Pies or it would have been embarrasing.

Structural problems aside (and they were all over the park) thats simply not good enough for a side that considers itself top 4.

 

[Wickzki]

Free kicks:
Carlton 23
West Coast 13

Nah, probably wasn't the reason you lost.

When you play the body as much as you play the ball you get free kicks paid against you.

You won that as much on thuggery as on skill.

West Coast Overhyped Eagles.

 

[Kades_Dad]

This will be the first and last time I ever post a cat picture on the internet....but it's so appropriate for this thread.....

 

[blueblooded]

Watching it on the Laptop, every time they rebounded from our F50, it was up the wing, to unmarked players.

Not a Blue on screen most of the time.

They just moved the ball out of D50 with contemptuous ease.

We just looked flatfooted and unprepared to contest for 3/4 of that match.

And there was not the usual tackling aggression and pressure either, something that we've been so good at for the rest of the year. Thank God we werent playing the Pies or it would have been embarrasing.

Structural problems aside (and they were all over the park) thats simply not good enough for a side that considers itself top 4.

Very true

however what hurt us also was the eagles seemed to be at the fall of every drop or in the right position for a spill every time, this has alot to do with good positioning but alot to do with luck as well, off hands they were getting everything!!! I remember commenting during the second quarter that we were not getting any spills or favorable bounces at all, maybe this was due to a lack of intensity but some of the bounces and lucky positioning off hands really cost us on the rebound at times..

however in saying that Eagles deserved the win they were better on the day, wasn't our day and it felt that way with some of the easy spills that landed exactly where loose eagles players were.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

I have to admit to taking the 5.25 about WC and my major worry turned out to be the 39.5 in the end. I do not usually bet on football esp. against us but it was a value bet. We know we are not quite at Geelong or Collingwood's level and able to sustain a long run w/o a loss when heavily hit by injury. It was 4th v 5th and Woosha would have built it up to be a final. They were playing for their season because everyone knows that you don't go far if you cannot win in Melbourne and you don't finish top 4. The Kreuze factor nearly talked me out of the gamble, he added so much last week but then I worried that he was like the racehorse who puts in an incredible performance first or second up and it flattens them for their next start. I cannot say I was totally happy with Ratts putting some big wraps on the Sydney performance either - the one (AND ONLY) thing I like about Malthouse is his unwavering 'we have a long way to go' attitude.

We will be much better when we get Waite, Robbo, Doogs and hopefully Bower back in the team. Rotten timing for Hammo as he was coming good and of course Jammo, who has been inspirational this year. Taking marks in the forward 50 is essential and at full strength we have the option to throw Thorton forward for a lift (even if Ratts rarely does it) If we can get a fit Ed and Carlos knocking on the door too, we are probably a bit better than WC but they are a fairly balanced team. Blubear was so right about the holding on Juddy - seemed to have Kerr permanently attached to his wrist and he may have been crook enough to miss if there weren't already so many out. The biggest loss on current form was Robbo - he has literally been dynamite. Don't judge me too harshly for the wager, it was too good a consolation prize to pass up.



Yep, if the AFL was in government you would get nothing for attempted murder. Last week, Joel Corey's was the biggest sling tackle of the 3 but he got nothing because the guy bounced.

I agree with your comments about Sydney game, it was a game we should of won by 10 to 12 goals and won by under 6 in the end, they always say you tend to start the game the following week as you finished off the previous week and I wasn't happy the Swans kicked the last 5 goals of that match.

No doubt Woosha built this up like a final as they couldn't afford to fall 10 points behind 4th place and we eased off before the gas with selection and gameday attitude/intensity.

 

[Krooooze]

I agree with your comments about Sydney game, it was a game we should of won by 10 to 12 goals and won by under 6 in the end, they always say you tend to start the game the following week as you finished off the previous week and I wasn't happy the Swans kicked the last 5 goals of that match.

No doubt Woosha built this up like a final as they couldn't afford to fall 10 points behind 4th place and we eased off before the gas with selection and gameday attitude/intensity.

Couldn't agree more.

Ratts seemed too satisfied with our performance against Syd. After the game he said from memory "I'm prob going to get the tape out during the week and show them the 3rd qtr and let them know that this is how we should approach it". It was as if say "don't worry about the last qtr where Syd kicked 6 goals and we took the foot off the pedal, it was an aberration"

I was actually really pissed off that our effort tailed off in that last quarter. It just smacked of a bit of complacency to me, that the game was won and we had nothing to worry about. It's not a good attitude.

A coach like Malthouse on the other hand would have gone on about how disappointing the finish to the game was and that they can't afford to take the foot off the pedal like that against the top teams.

Ratts has done a great job so far this year but I think he needs to cut back on praising the team so much and being a bit more realistic and talk about areas which need to be fixed

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Couldn't agree more.

Ratts seemed too satisfied with our performance against Syd. After the game he said from memory "I'm prob going to get the tape out during the week and show them the 3rd qtr and let them know that this is how we should approach it". It was as if say "don't worry about the last qtr where Syd kicked 6 goals and we took the foot off the pedal, it was an aberration"

I was actually really pissed off that our effort tailed off in that last quarter. It just smacked of a bit of complacency to me, that the game was won and we had nothing to worry about. It's not a good attitude.

A coach like Malthouse on the other hand would have gone on about how disappointing the finish to the game was and that they can't afford to take the foot off the pedal like that against the top teams.

Ratts has done a great job so far this year but I think he needs to cut back on praising the team so much and being a bit more realistic and talk about areas which need to be fixed

Think Ratts is doing a fine job but I agree that Malthouse would of shown his side the last quarter instead and this is the major difference from the elite to the rest, they demand and expect perfection and thats why they get closer to it then most.

I have even heard Chris Scott in the past couple of weeks talk about how in the box they weren't happy with a few aspects of their game despite winning comfortably.

 

[The Toad]

****, I hate this place when we lose.

 

[Beloved]

****, I hate this place when we lose.

We're obviously not going to play well in finals. Sack Ratten and drop budding players because they're not elite.

You know the drill.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

****, I hate this place when we lose.

No different after a win or a draw, just people talking shit about footy and the club they love.

 

[Claypigeon]

Think Ratts is doing a fine job but I agree that Malthouse would of shown his side the last quarter instead and this is the major difference from the elite to the rest, they demand and expect perfection and thats why they get closer to it then most.

I have even heard Chris Scott in the past couple of weeks talk about how in the box they weren't happy with a few aspects of their game despite winning comfortably.

While I understand the sentiment. .. We're not Collingwood nor are we Geelong. .. We're not aiming to be them we are aiming to beat them. .. Ratts will reflect on the week but to nit pick on what ifs and what could have been will get us no where. .. Especially as it might not have made a difference. ..

I believe Ratts was trying to go the positive route and the as the boys were obviously flat after (possibly during) the Sydney game we took a positive rejuvenation approach to the week. .. We will never know if it hurt us or not on the weekend. .. Edit: Possibly it hurt us in the short term and will help us in the long term. ..

Lets move on and smash the Tigers. ..

 

[Just Kreuzing]

While I understand the sentiment. .. We're not Collingwood nor are we Geelong. .. We're not aiming to be them we are aiming to beat them. .. Ratts will reflect on the week but to nit pick on what ifs and what could have been will get us no where. .. Especially as it might not have made a difference. ..

I believe Ratts was trying to go the positive route and the as the boys were obviously flat after (possibly during) the Sydney game we took a positive rejuvenation approach to the week. .. We will never know if it hurt us or not on the weekend. .. Edit: Possibly it hurt us in the short term and will help us in the long term. ..

Lets move on and smash the Tigers. ..

Make no mistake we are trying to be like Collingwood in the way they play and approach the game, thats why they got Greg Swann in and Gavin Brown.

We have adopted defensive philosophie's and principle's from the Pies because of Brown and off field we have adopted important startegies also like improving our coaching department and the finances we have put into it because of Swann.

No doubt Ratts had decided to go down the positive approach after the Swans game and is trying his utmost to have a closer/more positive relationship with his players as he has stated. Perhaps we wont know conclusively either way but 1 thing we can be assured of is we will be much more professional in our approach against Richmond this weekend and display far more intensity and hunger and will give them a hiding!!

 

[Lukesta63]

****, I hate this place when we lose.

So what should our response be Toad? "Oh,we had an off day.It doesn't matter,we were bound to lose one sooner or later"
Even Ratten said we didn't have the same appetite for the contest!
I dont think thats acceptable! WCE came to play and we didn't.No one is disowning the club they still have my full support,but performances like that are crap,considering how good we've been.
Fcuk mate we could've been 2 points behind the Filth if we'd won!!