The Mistake

[shuveradda]

Thsi is The Mistake i beleive has cost us The Last Two Premierships. Forget about all our mistakes in both games, just listen.

The Mistake: Gettinga Priority Pick, 1 ( Fraser) and 4.

We had These Two Picks, and We Swapped the Number 4 for Steve Mckee and we got Richmonds no.7 Pick.

Guess who went at Four.. One of teh Most versatile and the man who i beleive will be the best in the leauge someday, Matthew Pavlich. We Have away Matty Pavlich and Got Steve Mckee, and Danny Roach. We we got rid of in 02'.

Look at this trade, Fremantle Got a Gun and we ended up with a Reserves Player.. OUCH!

Matt Pavlich i beleive would've been the Key, a Man who can Play anywhere, we could've had him playing as the third tall which we are desperately missing. In The Midfield,, somebody who is Not Soft, or where we would definately be using him at the Moment, CHB!

This Mistake is The Mistake of The Century!

How Can we Have so Much Incompetence?

Also Can sombody please tell Me Details on Danny Roach, why he was let Go, how good he was and where he is now.. Thanks..

 

[Magpira]

Taking Rick Olerenshaw and off Essendon and giving them the pick with which they snagged Ramanuskus was something you'd call a mistake also.....

Gehrig wanted to come to Collingwood but he has this P***K of a manager who detests us and will not deal appropriately. We have missed out on a few more under the same P***K manager.

 

[FIGJAM]

Whilst it isn't exactly comforting, it is my understanding that had we have kept pick 3, Fremantle would have selected Pavlich at number 2, given that they knew our need for talls (which is why we gambled on Baynes and Stone late in the draft). Freo did the reverse for Richmond who needed midfielders (hence picking Haselby first).

Thus, at pick three, we would have probably chosen between Haselby, Fiora or Leigh Brown...maybe even a Cupido. You'd like to think we'd have picked Haselby, but that's not a given by any stretch of the imagination.

I personally don't think even Haselby would have meant the difference between a flag or not. Did Woewodin prove to be the difference between 2002 and 2003?

The fact is, that draft was light on for quality talls. Jon Brown was reserved; Fraser and Pavlich were also coveted, but after that there was tantamount to **** all! Do a Google search for it, it was horrible!!

McPharlin's good, but he would have merely McPharked off on us when it suited him.

The only time we had a chance at Pavlich was at Pick 1. Fraser at the time was clearly the best kid in the country.

Yes we dudded a first round pick, but we're definitely not the only ones! If you look at the history books, pick 7 is decidedly unlucky.

That Roach turned out to be a dud was sad. He copped many injuries and in general wasn't tough enough for AFL footy, but did have some obvious talent. Judkins thought he had another Hird. Unfortunately, and ironically, he had something closer to a Fiora!!

 

[shuveradda]

Its a Kick in The Pants all these Mistakes and Bad things.

We all have to live with em though.

Yeah taht Ramanauskas Thing that hurts also!

 

[guess_who]

how can you say that, so many players develop late, 15 other clubs made the mistake of not picking up James Hird or Scott Burns who where selected at pick 90 and 79...

 

[E.Z. Money]

The draft is like a lucky dip, sometimes you score a great player. Other times you snag a dud. We could of gotten a few good players, we also could of gotten a few duds. Just because we could of, doesn't mean we would've.

Looks better now

 

[Pedro]

Originally posted by E.Z. Money
Just because we could of, doesn't mean we could of. [/QUOTE

or would've

 

[E.Z. Money]

Originally posted by Pedro

Originally posted by E.Z. Money
Just because we could of, doesn't mean we could of. [/QUOTE

or would've

I knew something looked strange about my post ....should've noticed that..

 

[Murray]

Originally posted by guess_who
how can you say that, so many players develop late, 15 other clubs made the mistake of not picking up James Hird or Scott Burns who where selected at pick 90 and 79...

No matter how late they develop Roach and Olerenshaw would never have made it

 

[MarkT]

Originally posted by FIGJAM
Whilst it isn't exactly comforting, it is my understanding that had we have kept pick 3, Fremantle would have selected Pavlich at number 2, given that they knew our need for talls (which is why we gambled on Baynes and Stone late in the draft). Freo did the reverse for Richmond who needed midfielders (hence picking Haselby first).

It is all supposition but being certain to draft Fraser it wouldn't have been hard to put the word out we wanted a midfielder to replace Buckley since Burns was pretty much an injured half back and Licuria was not rated at all. All we would have had to do was make the same noises Richmond did and also interview Haselby and make him an offer. The worst case scenario is we end up with Haselby and are forced to get a ruckman which we should have damn well known McKee wasn't. The Roach deal hurt in that we didn't get Pavlich (or Haselby) plus we didn't have to get a ruckman so we have since muddled along with sub standard rucks which IMO cost us the 2002 premiership and at least made our 2003 chances beyond reach if not actually cost us the flag.

 

[Jabso]

The trade for McKee was in hindsight stupid.
However the club thought that 3 places in the draft doesn't really hurt.
We wouldn't have been recalling this if we picked up a good solid player instead of Roach.
We could of drafted someone like a Joel Corey, Robert Murphy, Luke McPharlin in that area.

 

[MarkT]

Originally posted by jabso
However the club thought that 3 places in the draft doesn't really hurt.

But this is precisely the issue. It is a matter of competency. I distincly recall the talk of Fraser as the certain number 1 and Haselby and Pavlich as the clear next 2 picks. that is why Freo drafted haselby before Pavlich and why peiople say if we had the 3rd pick they could/would have drafted Pavlich at 2. I never watch junior footy and I only know of draftees from media reports or net junkies reports but even I knew Haslby and Pavlich were the Freo targets. We knew exactly what we passed up.

 

[Lockyer24]

If Steve McKee is worth more than Clinton King by 3 places in the Top 5 of a draft I will eat my hat.

Worst trade ever.

 

[Ripper]

Good Draft that one

2: Haze
4: Pavlich
10: Macpharlap

 

[cwood_rules]

yeah we should of got pavlich, but no they always gota go with older players eg: mckee...i told ya there recruiting is ****...i'd like to have a few words to our recruiting manager
what im most ****ed of about is they gave away Mal Michael for jarrod molloy...WTF already??? Mal michael is now a premiership star an molloy is a retired horse..why the hell would u ever trade mal michael 4 molloy? somethings wrong there.....

 

[MarkT]

Mal walked out and Brisbane offered a hell of a lot more than we had to spend. mal also had a bad back from memory but that's probably acedemic. He left for money and we did a deal that was helpful to us at the time. Molloy was what we needed at the time but fast became a broken down hack.

 

[Moo]

Haselby was taken first as his publically stated that his best case scenario was to be taken by Freo ....Pavlich had stated that his worst case scenario was being taken by Freo. We knew we had difficult times ahead at Fremantle and couldnt risk a walker ...Hase was a must.

Mark T you are right talent wise it was clearly touted
1 Fraser
2 Pavlich
3 Haselby

However most pundits knew that with Freo at 2 it would go
1 Fraser
2 Haselby
3 Pavlich

Then good old Richmond enter and take Fiora ....That draft day the worm officially turned.

See you on Sunday.

 

[MarkT]

That's how I recall it Moo and what Richmond were thinking we'll never know or understand. Nothing new in that though.

Oh, and see you Sunday. Should be a good one. I'm pretty worried with the side we will put on the park.

 

[FIGJAM]

Originally posted by jabso
We could of drafted someone like a Joel Corey, Robert Murphy, Luke McPharlin in that area.

We also might have drafted Caydn Beetham (Pick9) instead of Roach!

We may have duffed the pick even if we didn't go for Roach, or the trade in question. There's no guarantee that Judkins wasn't sucked into the excellent form showed by Fiora for our sister club in Adelaide (his stats at the time would have read like the next James Hird!).

Eitherway, milk was spilt and crying over it is futile.

 

[MarkT]

Originally posted by FIGJAM
We also might have drafted Caydn Beetham (Pick9) instead of Roach!

We may have duffed the pick even if we didn't go for Roach, or the trade in question. There's no guarantee that Judkins wasn't sucked into the excellent form showed by Fiora for our sister club in Adelaide (his stats at the time would have read like the next James Hird!).

Eitherway, milk was spilt and crying over it is futile.

Just on Fiora, not an MM fat arsed midfielder so probably not on the radar.

 

[FIGJAM]

Originally posted by MarkT
Just on Fiora, not an MM fat arsed midfielder so probably not on the radar.

Fiora ain't much different to Roach. Only had less injuries.

I maintain Roach was actually quite talented. Had he have had the fortitude to continue on (his toughness was a problem on and off the field), I think he might have been as good as Fiora is today.

At the time, the fat-arsed midfielder wasn't MMs main target, but he was also after the tall rangey utility type. We ended up with Lonie just 12 months later; and of course, we did draft Roach!!

 

[itsintheblood]

FWIW pie fans, we too could have snagged pavlich but instead took fiora.

Fiora has the skills but decision making is poor and is taking a long time to develop physically.

Don't feel too bad about picking up McKee. You gave us Clinton King in return so both clubs did badly out of that. Worst trade in living memory. At least McKee has played a few extra games. Our wonderful coach thought the world of king.