Conspiracy Theory The Moon landing - 40 years on

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If the Russians thought faking a moon landing was possible, they would have accused the Americans of it. I've read some of the (mostly very stupid) hoax conspiracy theory sites and some of the debunker sites, and I'm 100% sure that the best way to convince people you've been to the moon is to actually go there. There is no doubt at all that the Apollo landings happened, and nothing in the conspiracy theories that doesn't evaporate when exposed to a little high-school science.
 
One of the reasons the moon landings stopped was they thought they were chancing their arm a little much. Saw a show outling how one of the last ascents from the moon required some lucky improvisations.
 
One of the reasons the moon landings stopped was they thought they were chancing their arm a little much. Saw a show outling how one of the last ascents from the moon required some lucky improvisations.

I saw one that had that when Apollo 11 was getting ready to leave the moon, the switch for the engine to blast them off broke and they almost were stuck there until Armstrong shoved a pen into it and managed to get it going.
 

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I saw one that had that when Apollo 11 was getting ready to leave the moon, the switch for the engine to blast them off broke and they almost were stuck there until Armstrong shoved a pen into it and managed to get it going.
Puts a fairly new perspective on flight delay.
 
i wasnt born for this so-called "historic event"

but reading anonymous rubbish on the web leads me to believe that my opinion is far superior to that of anyone alive at the time

Is this what you meant to say, dude? :confused:
 
Should be fun to see all those w***er skeptics (that includes probably about 3/4 of my friends) going on about how its fake with thier 'blah blah lighting and blah blah flag' rubbish. All you need to respond with is:
'Topography distorting shadows, Reflective surface (regolith) causing high lighting , no dust clouding due to no air as its a vaccum, so thier is no friction which is why the flag takes a while to become still again. Idiots.:thumbsu:

As my son said, if it did happen then how come they haven't bothered doing it again in 40 years?
 
As my son said, if it did happen then how come they haven't bothered doing it again in 40 years?

They have. They've been to the moon six times.

What is that meant to prove exactly anyway? So what even if they didn't go back, it doesn't make it a hoax. What do you want them to go there for again anyway? Anything on the moon that you think requires our immediate attention or research?
 
Unscientific America, Part 1: From the moon-landing deniers to WattsUpWithThat

July 20, 2009 How desperate is WattsUpWithThat to mislead the public about climate science? On Saturday, former TV meteorologist Watts ran a post “Flashback: Snow in Buenos Aires – first time in 89 years.”

Presumably he was doing denier pushback about the fact that NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center had reported this was the second hottest June on record globally, and easily the hottest June on record for the oceans, with further records likely to be set if the new El Niño continues. But what is so laughable typical about the post is what follows:

Flashback: More from the “weather is not climate” department.
NOTE: These are news stories about unusual July weather in Argentina from 2007 which I thought might interest readers. Please note these stories are not from 2009.
That’s right, his response to the whole friggin’ planet approaching a temperature record is a post on the weather 2 years ago over a teeny land area.

And that brought to mind an amazingly apt quote I had just read in an excellent new book by fellow science blogger, Chris Mooney, Unscientific America: How Scientific Illiteracy Threatens our Future, who has teamed up with scientist Sheril Kirshenbaum for a sequel to the bestselling. The Republican War on Science:

Anthony Watts is an extremely popular blogger…. Yet his blog contains highly questionable information — presented very “scientifically” of course, replete with charts and graphs — but all directed toward the end of making the scientific consensus on human-caused global warming seem faulty (in fact it’s extremely robust). A particular delight of the blog: hyping individual winter-weather events as if they have something to do with refuting global warming trends, a basic error of statistical reasoning.
Seriously.

And that brought to mind this recent NYT story, “Vocal Minority Insists It Was All Smoke and Mirrors“:
Forty years after men first touched the lifeless dirt of the Moon — and they did. Really. Honest. — polling consistently suggests that some 6 percent of Americans believe the landings were faked and could not have happened. The series of landings, one of the greatest gambles of the human race, was an elaborate hoax….They examine photos from the missions for signs of studio fakery, and claim to be able to tell that the American flag was waving in what was supposed to be the vacuum of space. They overstate the health risks of traveling through the radiation belts that girdle our planet; they understate the technological prowess of the American space program; and they cry murder behind every death in the program, linking them to an overall conspiracy.

Sound familiar?
Watts also has an entire effort devoted to people who “examine photos” — but these are far more boring pictures of temperature stations, although still part of a broader conspiracy to deceive the public (see Must-read NOAA paper smacks down the deniers: Q: “Is there any question that surface temperatures in the United States have been rising rapidly during the last 50 years?” A: “None at all.”).
And while there is no credible evidence to support such views, and the sheer unlikelihood of being able to pull off such an immense plot and keep it secret for four decades staggers the imagination, the deniers continue to amass accusations to this day.

Global warming would require a similarly large conspiracy. But Watts approvingly reprints denier manifestos that claim global warming “is the biggest whopper ever sold to the public in the history of humankind” — see here.

As I’ve written, such a statement is anti-scientific and anti-science in the most extreme sense. It accuses the scientific community broadly defined of conspiring in deliberate fraud – and not just the community of climate scientists, but the leading National Academies of Science around the world (including ours) and the American Geophysical Union, an organization of geophysicists that consists of more than 45,000 members and the American Meteorological Association and the American Association for the Advancement of Science (see “Yet more scientists call for deep GHG cuts“).

Such a statement accuses all of the member governments of the IPCC, including ours, of participating in that conspiracy, since they all sign off on the Assessment Reports word for word (see “Absolute MUST Read IPCC Report: Debate over, further delay fatal, action not costly“). And, of course, Ambler’s statement accuses all of the leading scientific journals of being in on this fraud, since the IPCC reports are primarily a review and synthesis of the published scientific literature.

Adam Savage, the co-star of the television show “MythBusters,” spent an episode last year taking apart Moon hoax theories bit by bit, entertainingly and convincingly. The theorists, he noted, never give up. “They’ll say you have to keep an open mind,” he said, “but they reject every single piece of evidence that doesn’t adhere to their thesis.”
For those who actually went — and have I mentioned that we did land astronauts on the Moon? Six times? — the conspiracy theories are simply galling.

Harrison Schmitt, the pilot of the lunar lander during the last Apollo mission and later a United States senator, said in an interview that the poor state of the nation’s schools has had predictable results. “If people decide they’re going to deny the facts of history and the facts of science and technology, there’s not much you can do with them,” he said.
“For most of them, I just feel sorry that we failed in their education.”
Precisely.

Of course, denying the moon landing doesn’t hurt anybody. But denying our scientific understanding of climate science — and actively misleading the public — imperils the health and well-being of billions of people and generations yet to come.

This post is not my book review of Unscientific America, which will be Part 2, or even my one (small) area of disagreement with Mooney, which will be Part 3.
No, I’m just drawing the painfully straight line from the moon hoax people to the climate hoax people.

http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/...mooney-deniers-anthony-watts-wattsupwiththat/
 
Home-schooled?

Only until he was four & started school, but he could read & write before he started, same as my daughter. Children absorb more in the years between one & four, than anytime in their lives, so the more you teach them, only serves them well & gives them an advantage. :thumbsu:
 

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Obviously, but I wasn't given that advantage, so I believe everything the Yanks say.

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If they actually landed & walked on the moon, they would have been hell bent in taking the place over, if not to try & colonise it, just to dump all the rubbish, that's left after the litterbugs throw away their mc donalds wrappers & other assorted litter.
 
He is more successful than you will ever be, but carry on, hope you get a job when you finish school. :thumbsu:
Sure he is, if his view that the moon landing was a hoax because the Yanks said it was true and his mummy told him that everything the Yanks says is a lie, is anything to go by...
 
Sure he is, if his view that the moon landing was a hoax because the Yanks said it was true and his mummy told him that everything the Yanks says is a lie, is anything to go by...

Surprisingly enough I didn't give a damn one way or the other, never even bothered about the moon landing. Just when I had lunch with my son last weekend, he told me his views & quite frankly it made more sense, than some of the crap written here.
 
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If they actually landed & walked on the moon, they would have been hell bent in taking the place over, if not to try & colonise it, just to dump all the rubbish, that's left after the litterbugs throw away their mc donalds wrappers & other assorted litter.


Why dump it on the moon? Why not just launch it and let it go beyond the solar system?

So your theory is Buzz, Neil and Michael have been playing out a charade for forty years. lol.
 
Why dump it on the moon? Why not just launch it and let it go beyond the solar system?

So your theory is Buzz, Neil and Michael have been playing out a charade for forty years. lol.

Why not, if they made a heap of money out of it. Like the British packpacker who pretended he got lost in the bush & just got paid $200,000 for his story. lol.
 
Surprisingly enough I didn't give a damn one way or the other, never even bothered about the moon landing. Just when I had lunch with my son last weekend, he told me his views & quite frankly it made more sense, than some of the crap written here.
This factually incorrect statement - "if it did happen then how come they haven't bothered doing it again" - made sense. Riiight...
 
This factually incorrect statement - "if it did happen then how come they haven't bothered doing it again" - made sense. Riiight...

How is it factually incorrect, were you there? Has anyone walked on the moon since then? Yes they said they have flown there many times, how come no one has got out & walked there again?
 

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