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I get (and share) the frustrations about the sentencing for his prior convictions. But, somehow, I think that no matter what sentence he served for his prior/s, we'd have been outraged at the fact that (a) he was released and (b) he re-offended in such a heinous way. If he'd been locked up for 10 years and then committed the Morcombe offence, we'd be outraged at the fact he got out after 10 years. Given he returns to society and commits an even worse offence, there is probably nothing the previous court could have done (short of locking him up permanently) that would have prevented the current community anger about the judicial system.

What we don't hear about is the group of sex offenders (75% IIRC) who don't reoffend. Is it something that a progessive and humane society can do - to lock someone up for the duration of their lives, even though they may be rehabilitated and won't re-offend? What is it were someone who was badly abused as a child? Should we deny them the opportunity to return to society?

I don't have answers on these questions. For me, all of the outrage and anger is perfectly understandable. As I said, this case makes me sick, particularly given I have two boys of my own who, rightly or wrongly, I make sure are never out of sight of an adult.

But we have a system that is prepared to believe in people's capacity to change. I'm not sure I want the alternative, even if it gives freedom to unrepentent predators like Cowan.

Having said that, I do support indefinite sentencing with period review for the occasional offender for whom proper re-intergration with society is unlikely. I support restrictions on parole orders for violent or serious offenders. I agree that, based on what we know, the NT sentence for Cowan was grossly insufficient given the nature of his crimes.
 
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talking about Cowan, not dlanod

Yeah, I think we all can agree that the latter should never see the light of day again under any circumstances.
 
What we don't hear about is the group of sex offenders (75% IIRC) who don't reoffend.

That's an interesting one. All I've ever heard (from memory and without looking anything up) is that sex offenders have one of the greater rates of recidivism compared with other crimes/criminals. I may be confused with a jurisdiction other than Australia though.

But we have a system that is prepared to believe in people's capacity to change.

Unfortunately it doesn't cultivate or promote that ability. It merely operates on that basis.
 

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Unfortunately it doesn't cultivate or promote that ability. It merely operates on that basis.

Unfortunately frontline services that handle rehabilitation are one of the first things to go as soon as any conservative government gets in.
 
Unfortunately frontline services that handle rehabilitation are one of the first things to go as soon as any conservative government gets in.

You don't win votes by looking like you're focused on rehabilitation. You've got to have a tough on crime stance that punishes. Look at Reagan, he started off by treating the drug 'crisis' in America as a health issue. His approval ratings slipped and in order to garner votes for re-election back-flipped and focused solely on being tough on crime and turned it into a legal issue (which it still is today).
 
You don't win votes by looking like you're focused on rehabilitation. You've got to have a tough on crime stance that punishes. Look at Reagan, he started off by treating the drug 'crisis' in America as a health issue. His approval ratings slipped and in order to garner votes for re-election back-flipped and focused solely on being tough on crime and turned it into a legal issue (which it still is today).

Yeah, the revolving door prison thing absolutely killed Dukakis as well.

 
IMO 2 distinct, escalating violent sexual assaults on children, after one stint in prison, years apart, should be sufficient to lock someone away from society for a very, very long time. It has nothing to do with a punitive knee-jerk. I think they lose their right to roam freely in society.

I feel similarly about attacks on women, which is why I was glad the Bayley/Meagher case prompted a review of the Victorian parole/judicial system which resulted in a shift towards less benefit of the doubt.

IMO repeat violent offenders who haven't learned their lesson just don't deserve benefit of the doubt.

I would love for prison to be about rehab. I know that it currently falls well short. I know people who've made a stupid mistake, spent time in prison and understandably come out worse off. I also know a couple in similar circumstances who came out bloody committed to never being locked up again. But using insufficient rehab programs as an excuse to not lock people up for longer doesn't hold water for me. If it was an aggressive dog with a history of biting people, you wouldn't just let it roam out of its yard after a pre-defined period, would you?

Random thought: I find privatised prisons absolutely unbelievable - where's the incentive to rehab your revenue source?

Random thought #2: I saw an interesting interview on, of all things, breakfast tv a couple of months ago with a Canadian paedophilia (as distinct from sex offender) researcher. It is an area I deliberately know very little about (because who wants to?), but he talked quite a bit about 'gold star paedophiles' - those who have sexual proclivities towards children, but know it is wrong and thus spend their entire lives successfully fighting their 'natural' urges. As creepy as it was, it was a perspective I had not previously considered.
 
Unfortunately it doesn't cultivate or promote that ability. It merely operates on that basis.

I'm involved in this discussion in a few different places so not sure if I have said this but rehab programs and services in prisons are significantly under-resourced. So I would agree with that comment.

It doesn't change the fact that I still support a society that believes people can be changed. Just that I want to devote the right resource levels to that commitment.
 
It doesn't change the fact that I still support a society that believes people can be changed. Just that I want to devote the right resource levels to that commitment.

I believe given the right support (in terms of education) AND opportunity this is possible.
 
Random thought: I find privatised prisons absolutely unbelievable - where's the incentive to rehab your revenue source?

Most of the places that have them have an inexhaustible supply of convicts. Which is...good?

Random thought #2: I saw an interesting interview on, of all things, breakfast tv a couple of months ago with a Canadian paedophilia (as distinct from sex offender) researcher. It is an area I deliberately know very little about (because who wants to?), but he talked quite a bit about 'gold star paedophiles' - those who have sexual proclivities towards children, but know it is wrong and thus spend their entire lives successfully fighting their 'natural' urges. As creepy as it was, it was a perspective I had not previously considered.

Louis Theroux: A Place for Paedophiles is worth a look, in terms of that perspective.

I suspect paedophilic tendencies are far, far more common than we like to acknowledge. Those whose tendencies are actualised probably represent a fraction of those who have such urges.

This is an extremely uneducated opinion, but I don't believe it's appropriate to call these people 'gold star' paedophiles, although possibly there's a tinge of dark, dark humour in that description. Just about every individual on the planet feels some kind of frustrated sexual urge at some point, and most of them don't go out and rape somebody.

None of that is intended to contradict your point, to avoid confusion.
 
They gave him 20 years non parole with a recommendation of never being released. All we can ask, seeing we can't hang the f#$%er.
 
Random thought: I find privatised prisons absolutely unbelievable - where's the incentive to rehab your revenue source?

Yeah have been reading about the US prison industry recently and it is disturbing to say the least. They are one of the biggest lobbyists against the repeal of third strike/mandatory minimum sentencing laws - and why wouldn't they, those draconian laws are their lifeblood. Huge privately owned mega-penitentiaries chock full of (mostly African American) inmates imprisoned for their third count of marijuana possession. Ka-ching!

Some things just shouldn't be entirely subjected to the whims and manipulations of the free market. Education, health and justice are the big ones.
 

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Louis Theroux: A Place for Paedophiles is worth a look, in terms of that perspective.
Ta. I like his stuff, but I think I'll give this one a miss. Just not an area to which I want to devote time.

This is an extremely uneducated opinion, but I don't believe it's appropriate to call these people 'gold star' paedophiles...
I found it confronting...but what made it sit even more uncomfortably was that it was said with a breakfast tv smile.
 
I found it confronting...but what made it sit even more uncomfortably was that it was said with a breakfast tv smile.

Yeah, the whole light morning infotainment shows giving voice to "Gold Star Pedophiles" thing ignited quite a bit of debate and clearly inspired this pisstake by The Onion.

Warning: Extremely dark satire and offensive if you don't have the context that you already outlined. In any case, not safe for work.

 
Is there anyway to watch the Melbourne footy shows when you live in Brisbane?


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Yes, take every Friday off and sit up until 45 minutes past the foxtel guide start time to watch.
 

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Did I not see we should have $130 left in the sponsorship budget

Should get it done!
I think you're thinking of channel ten:

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