The off topic thread 4.0

[Magma]

What media do you read to hear that? The media I read didn’t even report the grooming gangs initially. Are we now supposed to put a blanket ban on any atrocities that occur because it may offend people? This is Orwellian shit

i have no idea what grooming gangs you're talking about.

my point was a general point. trump trying to divide america about mexico. pauline and friends trying to scare us about the muslim population, years after failing to get us to chase out the asian immigrants.

it plays out every day and unfortunately we're just used to it.

 

[SM]

When you mature we’ll talk ok. Can’t be getting involved with this kind of crap

That seems your go to when you run out of things to fall back on.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

I literally began by saying that Muslim terrorist attacks should be labelled as such, as should white terrorist attacks. You really are a muppet. (sorry, *trigger warning* on that).

Cool, so why you getting do abusive at me for? You fly off the handle don’t you? Just pause, read what you post before you click reply. Just avoid posting while you are in such a triggered state

 

[Cruyff14]

You and Cruyff have a weird hard on about the jail system.

The Death Penalty is a weak way out and just gives these people what they want among the eyes of their supporters.

I think our justice system is pathetic.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

i have no idea what grooming gangs you're talking about.

my point was a general point. trump trying to divide america about mexico. pauline and friends trying to scare us about the muslim population, years after failing to get us to chase out the asian immigrants.

it plays out every day and unfortunately we're just used to it.

They are just points of view, and in democracies they are allowed. People don’t prey on fears, because those fears exist in the first place. If people weren’t concerned then those voices wouldn’t exist

 

[Bojan KantKick]

I think our justice system is pathetic.

do you want the death penalty?

 

[Cruyff14]

do you want the death penalty?

In this instance yes. I would deem it justified.

 

[SM]

Cool, so why you getting do abusive at me for? You fly off the handle don’t you? Just pause, read what you post before you click reply. Just avoid posting while you are in such a triggered state

Because you're only now realising what I was actually saying? JFC.

 

[SM]

In this instance yes. I would deem it justified.

You're sending out some real mixed messages here. Why are you so scared that you want to kill criminals?

 

[Fwoy]

i have no idea what grooming gangs you're talking about.

my point was a general point. trump trying to divide america about mexico. pauline and friends trying to scare us about the muslim population, years after failing to get us to chase out the asian immigrants.

it plays out every day and unfortunately we're just used to it.

Problem is, a lot of that is driven more by media interpretation than actual rhetoric. He has stated countless times he welcomes immigration, just opposes illegal (non-vetted) immigration. Democrats want open borders to build a voter base. Mass media is generally left leaning, and completely anti-Trump in all decision making processes.

In the case of this guy today, he has stated his believes in Trump as a white pillar, but does not follow his policies or presidency. One media post tonight: “Shooter a Trump fan”...you can guess how the comments section goes...

 

[WealstoneRaider]

Because you're only now realising what I was actually saying? JFC.

Because you are always spoiling for a fight on here you sometimes don’t make yourself clear.

Anyway I’m glad we agree and sorry for any misunderstanding. All terrorism is abhorrent and it’s reporting should be equal. Thankfully by and large it is and that we can agree on.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

Problem is, a lot of that is driven more by media interpretation than actual rhetoric. He has stated countless times he welcomes immigration, just opposes illegal (non-vetted) immigration. Democrats want open borders to build a voter base. Mass media is generally left leaning, and completely anti-Trump in all decision making processes.

In the case of this guy today, he has stated his believes in Trump as a white pillar, but does not follow his policies or presidency. One media post tonight: “Shooter a Trump fan”...you can guess how the comments section goes...

The narrative today is that if you believe in immigration control than you are an out and out white supremacist. Just look at some of the reactions on here when you even suggest there may be problems there. Society today for you.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

In this instance yes. I would deem it justified.

bit tough to apply it just when you feel it is justified though as the history of capital punishment in the US has shown.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

bit tough to apply it just when you feel it is justified though as the history of capital punishment in the US has shown.

Child killers, mass murderers including terrorists I have no problem with the death penalty. There’s different degrees of murder though and sometimes a death penalty is not warranted.

One thing for sure the legal system in the U.K. is broken although in the US it seems to go too far the other way.

 

[Magma]

Problem is, a lot of that is driven more by media interpretation than actual rhetoric. He has stated countless times he welcomes immigration, just opposes illegal (non-vetted) immigration. Democrats want open borders to build a voter base. Mass media is generally left leaning, and completely anti-Trump in all decision making processes.

In the case of this guy today, he has stated his believes in Trump as a white pillar, but does not follow his policies or presidency. One media post tonight: “Shooter a Trump fan”...you can guess how the comments section goes...

he constantly refers to illegal immigrants as criminals. they bring drugs, crime and rape i believe is a quote from his campaign. statistically speaking it has been shown to be false. like a of things he says.

his ban on nationals from 8 muslim countries has to be adjusted several times legally.

called syrian refugees as potentially the 'ultimate trojan horse'

he constantly changed his stance on visas. just like who is paying for the wall. designed to keep out the non existent drug kingpins, criminals and rapists. if you can get a grip on what this pathological liar and stance changer actually thinks, more power to you.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

he constantly refers to illegal immigrants as criminals. they bring drugs, crime and rape i believe is a quote from his campaign. statistically speaking it has been shown to be false. like a of things he says.

his ban on nationals from 8 muslim countries has to be adjusted several times legally.

called syrian refugees as potentially the 'ultimate trojan horse'

he constantly changed his stance on visas. just like who is paying for the wall. designed to keep out the non existent drug kingpins, criminals and rapists. if you can get a grip on what this pathological liar and stance changer actually thinks, more power to you.

Illegal immigration is still illegal. Why should a country have unfettered numbers entering their borders? Go through the proper channels if you want to live and work in another country so you can be vetted and cleared. If you’re not here legally then you are not paying taxes and more than likely you won’t find employment, then how else do you expect to survive? They may not all be criminals but statistically speaking they are more likely to be involved in crime than a legal citizen. You are sugar-coating

 

[Magma]

Illegal immigration is still illegal. Why should a country have unfettered numbers entering their countries? Go through the proper channels if you want to live and work in another country so you can be vetted and cleared. If you’re not here legally then you are not paying taxes and more than likely you won’t find employment, then how else do you expect to survive? They may not all be criminals but statistically speaking they are more likely to be involved in crime than a legal citizen. You are sugar-coating

http://insight.kellogg.northwestern.edu/article/does_immigration_increase_crime

hope that isnt too coated in sugar to read

 

[WealstoneRaider]

http://insight.kellogg.northwestern.edu/article/does_immigration_increase_crime

hope that isnt too coated in sugar to read

We were talking about illegal immigration though, that report is on legal immigration.

 

[Fwoy]

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/31/health/fentanyl-customs-bn/index.html

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/28/us/undocumented-immigrant-nevada-four-murders/index.html

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/03/14/bambi-larson-murder-suspect-carranza-san-jose/

I’m not going to go hunting too much, but a few recent stories re: illegals

 

[Magma]

there isnt any definitive statistics on illegal immigrants being more likely to commit crimes than legal citizens. but it seems incredibly unlikely based on immigrant numbers.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/31/health/fentanyl-customs-bn/index.html

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/28/us/undocumented-immigrant-nevada-four-murders/index.html

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/03/14/bambi-larson-murder-suspect-carranza-san-jose/

I’m not going to go hunting too much, but a few recent stories re: illegals

im sure there are plenty similar done by legal citizens too.

 

[Fwoy]

there isnt any definitive statistics on illegal immigrants being more likely to commit crimes than legal citizens. but it seems incredibly unlikely based on immigrant numbers.

im sure there are plenty similar done by legal citizens too.

So what you’re saying is they have enough on their plate without taking on more?

 

[glenferry23]

There are people who constantly besmirch Islamic people and Islamic culture and make people here (not sure about the UK) actually fear them and want to prevent them entering the country. People in power, people with influence. People who WANT to heighten the divide.

There should be NO divide. Are there people on both sides who add fuel to the fire? Of course. But only one side ACTIVELY puts down another culture and makes people fear it.

I'm sure you know that and you're just being a dickhead here but 49 people are dead because of a ****head who listened and believed what some of these campaigners were saying. 49 people who don't go home tonight, who won't see their family again. All because some ******* moron thought "I need to stop these people from taking over my country" so the best thing to do is go and slaughter them.

Absolutely ridiculous that we're even having this discussion.

Well said buddy. Thanks for this.

Couldn’t ask for a better example of your message than this. Mind boggling:

https://au.news.yahoo.com/racist-au...wing-new-zealand-terror-attack-111210033.html

 

[Magma]

So what you’re saying is they have enough on their plate without taking on more?

i dont think they, or anyone should just let anyone into a country. but they could at least be treated like people, and not like every single one is a murderer at the door.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

there isnt any definitive statistics on illegal immigrants being more likely to commit crimes than legal citizens. but it seems incredibly unlikely based on immigrant numbers.

im sure there are plenty similar done by legal citizens too.

Nah I can’t see that, because of the simple fact they have employment issues plus you have to ask why they aren’t coming legally in the first place.

By the way that report is 20 years out of date. Immigration in the 80’s and to less degree the 90’s was pretty stringent even in the US. It’s changed massively in the years since on where they take immigrants from. I know when I read a report of a serious crime locally you’ll ioften find it’s committed by an immigrant. Of course they’re not all bad but no use you burying your head in the sand about it either

 

[Magma]

Nah I can’t see that, because of the simple fact they have employment issues plus you have to ask why they aren’t coming legally in the first place.

By the way that report is 20 years out of date. Immigration in the 80’s and to less degree the 90’s was pretty stringent even in the US. It’s changed massively in the years since on where they take immigrants from. I know when I read a report of a serious crime locally you’ll ioften find it’s committed by an immigrant. Of course they’re not all bad but no use you burying your head in the sand about it either

i dont see how saying not every illegal immigrant is a criminal is burying my head in the sand.