The off topic thread 4.0

[Fwoy]

We’ve gone way off original topic here and it’s weird, coz I’m not even a Trump supporter per se (definitely not a Clinton fan though...nor any of their new DNC leaders), but spending a month there recently, I’ve seen a lot and heard a lot...

 

[WealstoneRaider]

i dont see how saying not every illegal immigrant is a criminal is burying my head in the sand.

It comes across that way though, but good for you if not. No sane individual would ever say all legal or even illegal immigrants are criminals.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

We’ve gone way off original topic here and it’s weird, coz I’m not even a Trump supporter per se (definitely not a Clinton fan tho), but spending a month there recently, I’ve seen a lot and heard a lot...

I know how you feel, you suffer because you probably don’t have the white guilt complex that the millennials on here are inflicted with. I can’t stand all this hatred in the world either, I would love it if we all could get along in harmony. Unfortunately the world don’t work like that and just because I refuse to take all the collective blame of my race I’m viewed by snotty-nosed millennial libs as some kind of ogre. You have to stand strong and thankfully most people in the real world are not that way and have somewhat more balanced views.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Child killers, mass murderers including terrorists I have no problem with the death penalty. There’s different degrees of murder though and sometimes a death penalty is not warranted.

One thing for sure the legal system in the U.K. is broken although in the US it seems to go too far the other way.

Fair call mate. Just have seen numerous instances of people who have either been imprisoned or been killed via capital punishment retrospectively found to have been innocent.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

Fair call mate. Just have seen numerous instances of people who have either been imprisoned or been killed via capital punishment retrospectively found to have been innocent.

Not anymore Boj, not with forensics and all the cctv and mobile phone tracking that’s around.

To be honest it’s not an issue I have a deep opinion on, but if it was brought in for those examples I wouldn’t complain. I’m happy enough for it not to come back though, but we definitely need harsher sentencing in this country.

 

[SM]

Not anymore Boj, not with forensics and all the cctv and mobile phone tracking that’s around.

To be honest it’s not an issue I have a deep opinion on, but if it was brought in for those examples I wouldn’t complain. I’m happy enough for it not to come back though, but we definitely need harsher sentencing in this country.

It absolutely still happens.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

It absolutely still happens.

Give me the example

 

[SM]

Give me the example

I'm not your Google.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

I'm not your Google.

Obviously you are just spewing crap again then

 

[jd2010]

Madeleine McCann doco is out on Netflix today. Talking of wasted taxpayer resources, £12m pounds to date has been spent 'investigating' and 'searching' for the poor girl for the last 12 years.

Everyone knows the parents killed her / had her abducted. This whole charade is a bloody joke.

Two episodes into it tonight. Going into it wth the same view as you but after two eps it looks like anyone but them. I’m sure it takes a turn in the coming few episodes

 

[jd2010]

Fair call mate. Just have seen numerous instances of people who have either been imprisoned or been killed via capital punishment retrospectively found to have been innocent.

When someone films themselves live killing a group like today or there’s countless footage of someone driving at innocent people like Bourke St it really shouldn’t be that hard for a govt to bring it in on the odd occasion. Less than a handful of instances in my lifetime where the punishment fits the crime so why not wheel it out from there time to time

 

[SM]

When someone films themselves live killing a group like today or there’s countless footage of someone driving at innocent people like Bourke St it really shouldn’t be that hard for a govt to bring it in on the odd occasion. Less than a handful of instances in my lifetime where the punishment fits the crime so why not wheel it out from there time to time

Sure, but where do you draw the line? That's the issue.

 

[jd2010]

Sure, but where do you draw the line? That's the issue.

Footage of mass murder can be the starting and possibly end point of where the line is drawn

 

[SM]

Footage of mass murder can be the starting and possibly end point of where the line is drawn

And then you get issues of doctored footage, mistaken identity, etc.

It's too complex.

 

[jd2010]

And then you get issues of doctored footage, mistaken identity, etc.

It's too complex.

Obviously not to be used in isolation. But there’s always cases where it’s 100% clear cut like these where it can and should be applied imo

 

[SM]

Obviously not to be used in isolation. But there’s always cases where it’s 100% clear cut like these where it can and should be applied imo

I think you're taking way too simplistic a view on things.

What then happens if someone did do those things but IS found to have a mental illness? There's a reason there's a legal system in place.

 

[jd2010]

I think you're taking way too simplistic a view on things.

What then happens if someone did do those things but IS found to have a mental illness? There's a reason there's a legal system in place.

Couldn’t care less if he did. Pretty sure he must to do something like that. Kill 49 people you’re bound to be deranged enough to fail a sanity test. No need for a legal system when it’s as clear cut as cases like this. Waste of the courts time and waste of jail space

 

[WealstoneRaider]

The reason why capital punishment was stopped was in the main a moral one. Miscarriages of justice were extremely rare (even before the massive leaps in crime detection we now have) and those miscarriages only played a small part in its abolition.

 

[SM]

Couldn’t care less if he did. Pretty sure he must to do something like that. Kill 49 people you’re bound to be deranged enough to fail a sanity test. No need for a legal system when it’s as clear cut as cases like this. Waste of the courts time and waste of jail space

So you think we should kill the mentally unstable?

 

[WealstoneRaider]

So you think we should kill the mentally unstable?

Strawman. Most of the time being mentally unstable will not keep you out of jail. You can be insane but still be aware of the crimes you commit. The vast amount of insanity pleas are dismantled in court

 

[SM]

Strawman. Most of the time being mentally unstable will not keep you out of jail. You can be insane but still be aware of the crimes you commit. The vast amount of insanity pleas are dismantled in court

I was asking the question because he's suggesting mental instability isn't a defence (even though, in a court of law, it kind of is).

The point being that things are never as cut and dry as he wants to make them, and death is a very permanent sentence.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

I was asking the question because he's suggesting mental instability isn't a defence (even though, in a court of law, it kind of is).

The point being that things are never as cut and dry as he wants to make them, and death is a very permanent sentence.

I don’t think you realise quite how cut and dry it all has to be before you get a conviction. It has to be so thorough that the odds are almost in the accused favour - which it should be innocent before guilty and all that. However, cases don’t go to court when police or the cps think there’s even a remote chance of not getting a conviction. I’d have absolutely no concerns about miscarriages of justice in this day and age

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Two episodes into it tonight. Going into it wth the same view as you but after two eps it looks like anyone but them. I’m sure it takes a turn in the coming few episodes

Have they interviewed the McCanns where they refuse to answer the 48 questions. I know a fair few coppers and they all reckon she either killed Maddie, or it was an accident and they paid someone to dispose of the body.

 

[Fwoy]

Last night when the fallout from shooting was taking place, I was struggling to get my head around the mechanics of what had happened. Obviously the shooting was disgusting and itself a tragic event. What had me rattled though was the details emerging from the manifesto he had leaked online. The parts I saw emerging didn’t make sense, so I searched for the full manifesto. As I read, it became more mixed messages, hollow answers and what seemed like baiting, aimed directly at America’s fractured political space.

From his shout out to PewDiePie, to his strange praise of Blexit founder Candace Owens, I couldn’t quite understand what he was saying, but then it seemed to click. But unable to properly express myself better I find Tim Pool has come very close to my thoughts.

 

[jd2010]

So you think we should kill the mentally unstable?

If the whole world knows they’ve killed multiple people yes.

Question. Do you have any doubt that the Aussie guy killed 40+ people yesterday? Or at the time that Gargosoulus or whatever his name was mowed down innocent people?