The Official Eastern Conference Final Thread: Indiana v Miami

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Hill has a ridiculous contract.

Over the past few years we lost Plumlee, Green, Collison and McRoberts who've all been decent to very good at their new teams. Maybe the Pacers can't develop talent?

You've made Hibbert, George and Stephenson better.

McRoberst just has a bigger role, Green has a license to shoot, Plumlee was only at Indy for a year and Collison is no good; he's just in a good role.

 

[stewie griffen]

Something has happened in that dressing room during the season, that much is obvious.

As to where to from here.... sheesh

No 2014 first rounder, and capped out, pushing the tax

Hibbert 15
PG 15.8
West 12 (2 yrs)
Hill 8 (3 yrs)
Scola 4.5 (expiring)
Mahinmi 4 (2 years)
Copeland 3.1
CJ 2.7

Current cap holds of 65.7 million

Most of those guys arent really movable. Sure they could squeeze Scola out for a second rounder or something, likewise they would surely find takers for Mahinmi but losing 8 or 9 million isn't freeing up enough space for anyone. They signed Bynum and Copeland on the MLE and CJ on the BAE so exceptions are out. George Hill's contract is just murder, so really the only trade chip they have is their 2016 first, and its a dangerous game to play trading future picks (just ask the Knicks lol).

And we haven't even got to Lance yet. Re-signing him on Bird rights will take them up towards tax territory, although they have some respite with the cap rising to 63 odd and the tax level being 77. So they can re-sign him and go again, but they'll be right on tax territory, however its obvious they need bench help, and its equally obvious that Frank needs to actually play whatever help they get for their bench.

 

[Son of Skeletor]

They need a bench with multiple points of difference to their starting line-up, not a reserve team of plug-in duplicates.

They're going to lose Allen, not that they ever bothered to use him (if he's good enough for Doug Collins, y u no play him Vogel?).

Spent $10 mil on Copeland and played him less than 300 (!!) minutes this season - not smashmouth enough?

I'm frustrated for Indy fans. If Vogel survives he needs to have a serious re-think and bolster his coaching staff with guys who have different ideas.

 

[hamG]

The roster is in an awkward spot - but I think they just need to be calm. Be the 3rd party in trades to upgrade a roster piece (plenty of good PG out there). Jump on a capable free agent to replaced some of Lance's output assuming he will leave. I think putting big money on the 2 spot is not the right move for the roster.

Hawks have been working out point guards for the draft, maybe Teague for Lance could work for both teams.

 

[Westy Bogan]

Felt sorry for Vogel in his press conference was a broken man. Will have to watch Spo's presser ...missed it as I forgot to eat for 4 hours while I shot hoops in the morning then parked on the couch

Just got emailed presales Finals ticket offer ...whos in

Felt even more sorry for David West. Anyone see his presser?

How much are the tickets? Im interested

 

[stewie griffen]

Hawks have been working out point guards for the draft, maybe Teague for Lance could work for both teams.

With the jump Jeff took in the last 3 months of the season I'd be shocked if they even thought about trading him

I'm frustrated for Indy fans. If Vogel survives he needs to have a serious re-think and bolster his coaching staff with guys who have different ideas.

Been announced that Vogel will be back next season

 

[nufan]

A couple Indy let go - Bob McBob and Collison - any regrets?

Collison isn't a starting PG either, but he does provide a point of difference from Hill, whereas CJ Watson really doesn't.

We are in no position in talking about letting collision go.

 

[Son of Skeletor]

Been announced that Vogel will be back next season

Learn from Mark Jackson's mistakes, Frank.

We are in no position in talking about letting collision go.

True, although we traded him for Ariza.... whom we traded in turn for Shard Lewis.

Ah, nuts.

 

[stewie griffen]

Learn from Mark Jackson's mistakes, Frank.

Something something pray for gays something something?

 

[tigs2010]

 

[Saintt]

A good offensive assistant coach is a must, someone who can teach them how to move the ball would be great.