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Re: Pavlich - What would You Give Up For Him?

Kahuna said:
How about VB + Mattner + 2nd Round Pick?
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Can't see Freo accepting VB in a trade. Coopers on the other hand. Nectar of the Gods :D

Seriously, Pav could sign for another three seasons at Freo and still be good enough to finish up at Adelaide or Port. He's injury free and very durable. He'd only be 29 for the 2011 season, with probably 3-4 good years left. (Birthdate: 31/12/81)

Freo will get a new coach, Pav will stay and Freo will improve next year and give the flag a real go. He has a Perth girlfriend, a bar in Fremantle and other Perth business interests. I can't see him returning. But, well, if he does go, he'll go with my best wishes. He's given his all for Freo.
 
Re: Craigy's Interview On Pavlich.

Dandy_GO said:
Have we not created a competitive environment within our own club? It's possible to have the positives without that negative. "Perform or we delist you" is the motivation. It shouldn't be "perform and then maybe we'll trade you anyway". I don't think having an environment where quality players are traded for quick fixes is likely to have a more positive effect on the competitiveness of players.
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1. "quick fixes" is an arbitrary perjorative entirely of your own making. no one has said that
2. can you explain why the threat of delisting does not damage the team 'morale' and yet supposedly the threat of trading does? surely it's the same thing?

I can't see how the uncertainty of enforced player mobility is any more harmful than the implicit job uncertainty of delisting?
 
Re: Craigy's Interview On Pavlich.

Dandy_GO said:
My main issue with all this is the fickleness of supporters. The amount of whinging I heard about Watts when he left ("after all we've done for him!") was disgraceful, especially when it came from the very same people who constantly suggest we trade off certain players who have been very loyal to the club. I see that as hypocritical and it annoys me.
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these are the same supporters who complain about most things, there is nothing unique about the above subjects.

Ps. there is a very, very, VERY big difference between treating people as livestock, and recognising the inherent mobility required within a given industry.
 
Re: Craigy's Interview On Pavlich.

Dandy_GO said:
If they didn't have to worry so much about being traded and felt that their club displayed some degree of loyalty towards them, perhaps they wouldn't feel the need for free-agency.
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that's nothing to do with the free agency question. the free agency question is a simple one, and it relates only towards the players moving towards the same employment rights as other workers.
 

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Re: Craigy's Interview On Pavlich.

Dandy_GO said:
Can you elaborate?
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sure, draft risk is high. the draftees are too young to ever be reliable, and a club cannot ever rely on the draft to bring in what it needs. it can try, knowing that there is a high risk that it will not be acceptable. further, there is the time risk - how long it will take the ones who will work out, to make it.

it is a very inefficient mechanism to solely rely on.


I'm not saying it shouldn't be available, I'm saying it shouldn't be abused, and if the system is functioning then it shouldn't be in constant need. My argument is that it's possible to be a successful club without the constant use of trading, if you improve the other areas, and doing so will improve morale. Trading is a failsafe and it should be treated as a last resort, rather than something that's done at the drop of a hat.
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sorry, but you'll have to define abuse. I'd suggest that you will not be able to substantiate abuse, where a player is required to relocate (as many, many workers are) in a job that pays a substantial premium above what an ordinary worker (also subject to relocation) might make.

abuse is not being subject the vagaries of your industry. it's just not.
someone mentioned the armed forces as a good example earlier.

FWIW Sydney have built their current team around the philosophy of trading and not drafting. they don't appear an unhappy bunch.

You're exaggerating what I've said, but I do feel that players will perform to a higher capacity when they don't have the fear of being traded on their minds. 1% can mean a lot - how many times do we hear coaches and players say this? .
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no, you're mixing up two issues. that a conducive environment will help performance (unquestionably) and whether player trading undermines this - and if so, by how much. you've assumed absolutes here, which do not really apply. A player put up for trade is not likely to be overly happy with the clubs decisions, but will it effect the remaining players? again, I think you'd have a hard time substantiating that these guys are 'scarred' by this anymore than a delist; or that they do not accept this risk as being inherent to the industry.

all organisations strive to get better, and labour is one of the ways that they do this. it's not just in sports where people get knocked from their perch if there is someone better available.

Just because it is doesn't mean it has to be.
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just because it is doesn't mean it has to be a bad thing.
 
Re: Craigy's Interview On Pavlich.

Macca19 said:
I think it is fair to say that Craig doesnt like to trade but if Pav stated 'I want to play for the Crows' at the end of the year, he would certainly look at it.
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Of course he would.

A Pavlich trade could get you a premiership but it could also dramatically destabilise your club for years for the following reasons:

1) You would think he would expect the captaincy, if not straight away, within 2 years. There would be some unhappy players in the leadership group.
2) He would take a massive chunk of your salary cap.
3) He would cost, at minimum, 2 x 1st round picks and a quality young player. Now considering neither the AFC not Port Power will automatically have 2x 1st rounders, they would have to trade another quality
young player to obtain the second 1st round pick. That's 2 quality young players you have sent packing.
4) The loyalty factor to non-Sth Aussie players on your list - Refer the above point. Not a problem if both youngsters want to be traded to their home state, but what about if they don't and you trade them anyway.
So they have shown loyalty yet you still traded them. Other Non-SA players on your listed might just remember "the PAV trade" in the future if they want to go home and they are excepted by the AFC to do the right thing by the club.

It's going to be interesting.
 
Re: Pavlich - What would You Give Up For Him?

Stiffy_18 said:
Two first round draft picks (one preferably in top 5 and certainly in top 10) and a good player.
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Kane McGoodwin said:
I reckon you around* the mark Stiffy with your valuation of Pav.
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Agree, your're around the mark.

Freo needs fast midfielders and would probably have a couple in mind. So one would probably need to be top 3 so we would get at least one of them and the other top 10.

The steak knives (the player) consequently could probably be a decent player rather a top shelf player and a top up 2nd rounder say.

Essentially it would be more based around pick order for the first rounders. The player could be lesser and increased by further draft picks.
 
Re: Pavlich - What would You Give Up For Him?

Freo Shark said:
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Agree, your're around the mark.

Freo needs fast midfielders and would probably have a couple in mind. So one would probably need to be top 3 so we would get at least one of them and the other top 10.

The steak knives (the player) consequently could probably be a decent player rather a top shelf player and a top up 2nd rounder say.

Essentially it would be more based around pick order for the first rounders. The player could be lesser and increased by further draft picks.
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But here is the problem. You can't expect a top 3 pick and a top 10 pick because neither Port or us will get a top 3 pick and those teams what end up with that pick will not be trading it no matter what!!!!

I think it will be our 1st round pick, another first round pick (top 10) that you get by sending someone else out and then sending another player your way.

Its just impossible to ask for a pick inside 3 and the other inside 10. No club in the competition can put that package together.
 
Re: Pavlich - What would You Give Up For Him?

I reckon we will offer Van Halen + 1 Round pick. I think it will get over the line. There will be a whole heap of posturing and games in between the offer and the acceptance but I think it will happen.

We will offload Meeson but if we get any picks for him expect them to be sent express post to Freo.

After tonight I would give up almost anything. We played OK but NEEDED a forward. By forward, i mean a REAL one. Not the 'utility players' + injured and aging midfielder + midfielder in waiting we try to pass off all too often as a forward line. 1 genuine forward + utility players + crumber(s) = forward line. There will be many who disagree, but IMHO we can not win a flag without a genuine dominant forward. Pav is the only option until (and if) Sellar (and possibly Walker) get some quality games behind them. Name your price Dockers.

The last time we had a real forward, we won 2 flags...
 

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Re: Pavlich - What would You Give Up For Him?

Mad Dog said:
Pavlich - What would You Give Up For Him?

....match selection process - 'cos clearly we don't use it
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I'm sure we would have found room for him as another tall ... as an emergency! :eek:
 
The Official Pavlich Thread

Just heard Triggy officially say that the AFC will leave no stone unturned in getting the big Purple People Eater over to West Lakes for next season.

Nothing surprising there, but the interesting part for me was his comment regarding the salary cap and how the Roo fits in to it for next season.

What he was inferring, I believe, was that Roo would have to make way for the Pav to fit in.

I must admit that I didn't hear the whole interview, given the lack of Crows coverage over here at the moment and the Cats bandwagon that is well and truly oiled, but I would be keen to know if anyone else heard the whole interview.

Am I correct that the Roo (plus 2 to 3 others) would have to make way for the Pav to wear our colours next year?

Anyway, he has my vote!
 
Re: Fund Raising Drive for the Pav

Where was this interview?!

I haven't seen/heard it!

Fitting Pavlich will always mean that someone on a hefty contract will likely make way and given what has happened over the last 18 odd months, I think Roo will retire at the end of the year, regardless of whether or not we are successful in recruiting Pavlich.

I hope we can get Pavlich but I am sceptical!
 
Re: Fund Raising Drive for the Pav

Geez, Adelaide would need to literally offer the world to lure him back to Adelaide, wouldn't they?

What would they put on the table? From an outside perspective, 1st Round Pick, 2nd Round Pick and someone like Van Berlo - though it could be construed by both sides as too little and too much, I guess.
 
Re: Fund Raising Drive for the Pav

philhawk said:
Geez, Adelaide would need to literally offer the world to lure him back to Adelaide, wouldn't they?

What would they put on the table? From an outside perspective, 1st Round Pick, 2nd Round Pick and someone like Van Berlo - though it could be construed by both sides as too little and too much, I guess.
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Would expect around 2 1st rounders + player in the 22 would be about Pavlich's worth.
 

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Re: Fund Raising Drive for the Pav

Stiffy_18 said:
Where was this interview?!

I haven't seen/heard it!

Fitting Pavlich will always mean that someone on a hefty contract will likely make way and given what has happened over the last 18 odd months, I think Roo will retire at the end of the year, regardless of whether or not we are successful in recruiting Pavlich.

I hope we can get Pavlich but I am sceptical!
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It was on Triple M radio before todays game.

The AFC have to 'sell the farm' to get him so be it:thumbsu:
 

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