The on topic thread 4.0

[SM]

Its a great opportunity for a club like Palace, and their supporters to experience European football.

Financial rules make it next to impossible for them to break into top 5/6 on a sustained basis.

If anything I'd rather UEFA look at propping up other leagues than punish Engkand because of the financial strength of the league.

With what money?

 

[SM]

Watching the season reviews of 13/14 and 14/15 to get me pumped and man the league just felt different back then. More fun. You had aguero, Sanchez, Costa and others scoring bags and it just felt much more high scoring and watch able.

 

[Frank Bunn]

There's some drama going on with Ireland and Israel being drawn together in the Nations League. Fixtures are 27 September at a neutral venue, and 4 October in Dublin. Some in Ireland calling for a boycott of the games. FAI chief executive David Courell said there could be serious consequences if Ireland pulled out of the games. Individual protests by players are possible, and protests by fans very likely. Yesterday's friendly with Qatar was disrupted twice by tennis balls with Palestinian flags being thrown on the field.

 

[RossFC]

 

[Zidane98]

Chelsea move really was a disaster for him.

 

[RPCB]

A bit of feeling in this one.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Yes.. just like every year after the EPL was created teams were added and removed. You were suggesting that the addition of new entities was the catalyst or result of the change from VFL to AFL when nothing fundamentally changed.

The same teams would have been added and removed if it stayed as the First Division. Whereas the change from VFL to AFL resulted in seven new clubs being created (with another one on the way) and two clubs removed.

Do you think if Hull moved to Cornwall then the Penzance City Tigers should be allowed to keep Hull's heritage?

 

[SM]

The same teams would have been added and removed if it stayed as the First Division. Whereas the change from VFL to AFL resulted in seven new clubs being created (with another one on the way) and two clubs removed.

Do you think if Hull moved to Cornwall then the Penzance City Tigers should be allowed to keep Hull's heritage?

The Sydney Swans, Brisbane Bears and West Coast Eagles had already been admitted to the VFL. So by your logic the same other teams could have been admitted without the name change.

This is going round in circles, end of the day one was an actual breakaway competition, one was a name change. One is regularly referenced as the starting point for records and titles, the other isn't.

As to your second paragraph I have no idea what you're on about.

 

[Frank Bunn]

The Sydney Swans, Brisbane Bears and West Coast Eagles had already been admitted to the VFL. So by your logic the same other teams could have been admitted without the name change.

This is going round in circles, end of the day one was an actual breakaway competition, one was a name change. One is regularly referenced as the starting point for records and titles, the other isn't.

As to your second paragraph I have no idea what you're on about.

It was nonsensical for the Victorian Football League to contain teams from NSW, QLD, and WA then later SA and Tasmania. But the change wasn't just a rename. It was a significant structural change in the game. It happened over a few years but the competition changed from a single state to national.

Whereas First division to PL did not involve any change in the structure of the league pyramid. That's why United can claim to have 20 league titles.

South Melbourne, dating back to 1873, ceased to exist yet Sydney, 1982, claimed their heritage. MK Dons had to give back Wimbledon's memorabilia after they accepted they were not the same club.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

It was a ****ing name change. Geez.
Game still administered from Melbourne and retained all the history of the preceding 90 years.

And United do have 20 league titles. But they only have 13 EPL titles.
Collingwood have 16 VFL/AFL premierships.

 

[RossFC]

 

[RPCB]

 

[SM]

It was nonsensical for the Victorian Football League to contain teams from NSW, QLD, and WA then later SA and Tasmania. But the change wasn't just a rename. It was a significant structural change in the game. It happened over a few years but the competition changed from a single state to national.

Whereas First division to PL did not involve any change in the structure of the league pyramid. That's why United can claim to have 20 league titles.

South Melbourne, dating back to 1873, ceased to exist yet Sydney, 1982, claimed their heritage. MK Dons had to give back Wimbledon's memorabilia after they accepted they were not the same club.

Guess we're going to have to agree to disagree.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

The same teams would have been added and removed if it stayed as the First Division. Whereas the change from VFL to AFL resulted in seven new clubs being created (with another one on the way) and two clubs removed.

Do you think if Hull moved to Cornwall then the Penzance City Tigers should be allowed to keep Hull's heritage?

Happens a lot in American sports. For example the Baltimore Colts moved to Indianapolis a couple of decades and remained the Colts. So keep the records.

Baltimore Ravens was created years later and does not retain old Baltimore records

 

[Jatz]

Watching the season reviews of 13/14 and 14/15 to get me pumped and man the league just felt different back then. More fun. You had aguero, Sanchez, Costa and others scoring bags and it just felt much more high scoring and watch able.

Yep, very much the same. Obviously 15/16 was a highlight but 14/15 with our great escape...even the neutral games felt more fun.

I feel like the league is missing a lot of it's attacking flair it has a decade ago.

 

[Zidane98]

Yep, very much the same. Obviously 15/16 was a highlight but 14/15 with our great escape...even the neutral games felt more fun.

I feel like the league is missing a lot of it's attacking flair it has a decade ago.

That 5-3 Utd matchday thread was a certified all time thread!

 

[Zidane98]

Yep, very much the same. Obviously 15/16 was a highlight but 14/15 with our great escape...even the neutral games felt more fun.

I feel like the league is missing a lot of it's attacking flair it has a decade ago.

There has been a focus on set pieces and broad physicality. I believe teams will adapt and overcome that though. A new generation of gegenpressing attacking teams to emerge again would be fun.

 

[Zidane98]

Holy shit, what a way to get injured:




I reckon that's the player's fault as well as the drivers who was going a little quick. He literally walks into the cart.

 

[Jatz]

That 5-3 Utd matchday thread was a certified all time thread!

Probably my favourite game of all time, it had absolutely everything that game!

 

[Zidane98]

New rule in action - take too long to leave the pitch and your replacement must wait a minute before coming on:

 

[Hamingja]

I take it Kasper didn't play in goal then!

 

[Zidane98]

I take it Kasper didn't play in goal then!

Wow, usually goals are scored just from messing around in those sorts of games lol. I honestly cannot remember a charity / exhibition match anywhere finishing 0-0. What were both teams doing - playing with 8 behind the ball and looking for counters only?

 

[SM]

Wow, usually goals are scored just from messing around in those sorts of games lol. I honestly cannot remember a charity / exhibition match anywhere finishing 0-0. What were both teams doing - playing with 8 behind the ball and looking for counters only?

Well, Pulis was one of the managers..

 

[Frank Bunn]

Happens a lot in American sports. For example the Baltimore Colts moved to Indianapolis a couple of decades and remained the Colts. So keep the records.

Baltimore Ravens was created years later and does not retain old Baltimore records

Yeah and it's a load of shit. Effectively South Melbourne ceased to exist and a new club was created 800 km away, pretty much cutting off their existing fan base. That's the disconnect between it being the same club and inheriting the history.

I much prefer the European football system. Man City didn't cease to exist when they were shit. They dropped to the 3rd tier then made their way back.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Yeah and it's a load of shit. Effectively South Melbourne ceased to exist and a new club was created 800 km away, pretty much cutting off their existing fan base. That's the disconnect between it being the same club and inheriting the history.

I much prefer the European football system. Man City didn't cease to exist when they were shit. They dropped to the 3rd tier then made their way back.

Nah you looking at wrong. The 'franchise' or look at it as a company is moving from one city to another but it's still the same entity. Swans name and colours were kept.

For example Baltimore Ravens mentioned earlier started from Cleveland Browns but difference was owner agreed just to move the players and coaches not the franchise/company so Cleveland kept the Browns 'company' and a few years later was permitted to start a new team with the history.

Closed leagues is different to open euro leagues. Soccer has adavantage of small towns/clubs making the big league. Look at Elversberg in Germany, a town of just 13,000 and just been promoted for the first time to Bundesliga.