The on topic thread

[Bojan KantKick]

My views haven't changed btw, I'd still like to see Roman die a painful death but no need to prattle on about it. Everyone knows where I stand.

Utter bullshit.

They're both still owners so present v present.

I meant the crimes are still being committed daily in one case.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Not sure where the vanity project thing is coming from other than being a cliche of choice for anyone that doesn't like them foreign owners. It's an investment, and it's looking like a pretty good one.

Given he made a £2bn profit on Barclays shares in a matter of months around the takeover I think it's fair to say he's not short of a quid.

I wasn't on the banking forum's at that time but I wonder if Lloyds TSB and Natwest customers pretended to be outraged as much as some football supporters.


I think we have three or four Abu Dhabi businesses on our books. Don't know if they are government owned or not. But we are a very popular team in the region, we do travel there regularly and our chairman and owner do have decent contacts in the region.

so a guy that used his families slave money to make a quick 2 billion thinks making a far lower profit over a far greater period is a good investment does he? Interesting theory.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Don't care.

EFA

 

[moomba]

so a guy that used his families slave money to make a quick 2 billion thinks making a far lower profit over a far greater period is a good investment does he? Interesting theory.

Ha ha the salty tears of people such as yourself make the investment worthwhile before you even look at the huge increases in revenue, value, assets, contracts to redevelop large chunks of East Manchester (a key reason for investing in the club) etc.

But mainly the salty tears.

 

[moomba]

EFA

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[Bojan KantKick]

Ha ha the salty tears of people such as yourself make the investment worthwhile before you even look at the huge increases in revenue, value, assets, contracts to redevelop large chunks of East Manchester (a key reason for investing in the club) etc.

But mainly the salty tears.

I'm sure if you calculated the rate of return on the 'investment' you'd come to the same conclusion as me.....but you won't as it doesn't suit your narrative.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

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Emoji 23. I assume you agree with me then.

 

[moomba]

I'm sure if you calculated the rate of return on the 'investment' you'd come to the same conclusion as me.....but you won't as it doesn't suit your narrative.

He bought the club for £200m, it's now valued at over £2bn iirc. And that's after getting £300m for 13% of CFG who's biggest asset is Man City.

Seems pretty good to me, and the way we're developing as a club and the way the industry is going those numbers are only going to go up.

If you think that's not a good investment you're at odds with most sports/finance experts who have commented.

Maybe their team didn't just get beat in a Derby though.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

He bought the club for £200m, it's now valued at over £2bn iirc. And that's after getting £300m for 13% of CFG who's biggest asset is Man City.

Seems pretty good to me, and the way we're developing as a club and the way the industry is going those numbers are only going to go up.

If you think that's not a good investment you're at odds with most sports/finance experts who have commented.

Maybe their team didn't just get beat in a Derby though.

you have failed to include the amount of money that has been spent on infrastructure and other costs over the period including but not limited to opportunity cost.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

I meant the crimes are still being committed daily in one case.

That doesn’t make it better or worse.
What’s worse this time round is that city are pretty much sovereign owned.

Not sure how the other English clubs will find ways to keep up with them financially.

 

[moomba]

you have failed to include the amount of money that has been spent on infrastructure and other costs over the period including but not limited to opportunity cost.

The accounts are freely available if you're genuinely interested (which you aren't).

 

[moomba]

That doesn’t make it better or worse.
What’s worse this time round is that city are pretty much sovereign owned.

Not sure how the other English clubs will find ways to keep up with them financially.

Been a problem in football for decades.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

That doesn’t make it better or worse.
What’s worse this time round is that city are pretty much sovereign owned.

Not sure how the other English clubs will find ways to keep up with them financially.

no it doesn't make it better. People are commenting on this as new information has come to light. There would be similar comments on Roman if a piece was written on his past/current but it has been a while.

 

[moomba]

no it doesn't make it better. People are commenting on this as new information has come to light. There would be similar comments on Roman if a piece was written on his past/current but it has been a while.

What is the new information?

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Been a problem in football for decades.

Sovereign ownership?

 

[Bojan KantKick]

The accounts are freely available if you're genuinely interested (which you aren't).

You've mentioned the figures plenty of times on here and as you deny any city wrongdoing i thought you would have the figures to hand.

If they benefitted your argument you'd mention them but you don't which says it all really.

 

[moomba]

Sovereign ownership?

No, clubs that have no prospect of competing at the very top.

 

[moomba]

You've mentioned the figures plenty of times on here and as you deny any city wrongdoing i thought you would have the figures to hand.

If they benefitted your argument you'd mention them but you don't which says it all really.

At a complete guess, he spent £200m buying Manchester City, £50m on the NYCFC licence, maybe another £50m on the other clubs (Mooys sale to Huddersfield brought in more than CFG paid for Melbourne Heart).

Not sure of the losses for the other clubs in the group, let's say £200m (suspect it's much lower). Manchester City losses were around £400m in the first 4 years. We've been profitable for the past three.

So £900m spent, £300m back from the 13% sale. Manchester City is now worth around £2bn from memory, NYCFC is worth around £130m, rest would probably be in the tens of millions of less.

Not doing too badly I would suggest.

Not sure what wrongdoing I'm denying either.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

At a complete guess, he spent £200m buying Manchester City, £50m on the NYCFC licence, maybe another £50m on the other clubs (Mooys sale to Huddersfield brought in more than CFG paid for Melbourne Heart).

Not sure of the losses for the other clubs in the group, let's say £200m (suspect it's much lower). Manchester City losses were around £400m in the first 4 years. We've been profitable for the past three.

So £900m spent, £300m back from the 13% sale. Manchester City is now worth around £2bn from memory, NYCFC is worth around £130m, rest would probably be in the tens of millions of less.

Not doing too badly I would suggest.

Not sure what wrongdoing I'm denying either.

Forbes value City at £1.53 billion which calls into doubt the rest of your assumptions.

 

[moomba]

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[Zidane98]

so a guy that used his families slave money to make a quick 2 billion thinks making a far lower profit over a far greater period is a good investment does he? Interesting theory.

He's £850m in the red on the whole project so far. Lucky he has control of Abu Dhabi's sovereign wealth fund to fund it. Any normal business who had to finance such a purchase through normal channels would be getting killed by the interest repayments alone.

Apparently it is a great result to make a profit of £20m in a single accounting period though with a significant amount of revenue being sourced from companies owned by the same sovereign investment fund Mansour controls.

But I digress, it's a great money making business model that any normal business owner would adopt.

 

[Established1870]

http://www.espnfc.com.au/french-lig...d-foundations-at-nantes-to-impress-in-ligue-1

Fryer Tuck Jatz

 

[Fryer Tuck]

http://www.espnfc.com.au/french-lig...d-foundations-at-nantes-to-impress-in-ligue-1

Fryer Tuck Jatz

I could've sworn I've heard this quote before. Was it Gigi? Either way, I do like it!

Nantes are 5th at the moment, so looking at Europa. I would imagine they would like to get a quality striker, and one striker that seems to be on the cards is Slimani. Heard rumours of a 'reunion.' Considering that Slimani isn't even on our bench, and I haven't heard anything about an injury, it seems very likely he's on his way. I don't think we'll be getting the money back, and I'm not happy with the decision, but sometimes, managers just have their own agendas. It would've been a fresh start for some of our newer signings, yet it seems like they haven't impressed.

Hopefully Nantes to well to stay 4th-5th and secure Europa. I think 6th is also Europa as well, so hopefully they stick around.

 

[Established1870]

I could've sworn I've heard this quote before. Was it Gigi? Either way, I do like it!

Nantes are 5th at the moment, so looking at Europa. I would imagine they would like to get a quality striker, and one striker that seems to be on the cards is Slimani. Heard rumours of a 'reunion.' Considering that Slimani isn't even on our bench, and I haven't heard anything about an injury, it seems very likely he's on his way. I don't think we'll be getting the money back, and I'm not happy with the decision, but sometimes, managers just have their own agendas. It would've been a fresh start for some of our newer signings, yet it seems like they haven't impressed.

Hopefully Nantes to well to stay 4th-5th and secure Europa. I think 6th is also Europa as well, so hopefully they stick around.

If Nantes were to get Slimani I could see them keeping hold of a Europa spot. He'd score 10-15 easily in France if he left in January. His misuse at your lot is mind boggling considering he's just so much better than Okazaki.

It'd be nice to see Nantes do well too. The article shows the players they've produced over the years and it's an impressive list even if talent has dried up.

Along with St Etienne, they're also the old guard of French football (like Wolves and Leeds in England) so to see them do well after so many years in the shit heap would be good for French football.

 

[Fryer Tuck]

If Nantes were to get Slimani I could see them keeping hold of a Europa spot. He'd score 10-15 easily in France if he left in January. His misuse at your lot is mind boggling considering he's just so much better than Okazaki.

It'd be nice to see Nantes do well too. The article shows the players they've produced over the years and it's an impressive list even if talent has dried up.

Along with St Etienne, they're also the old guard of French football (like Wolves and Leeds in England) so to see them do well after so many years in the shit heap would be good for French football.

To be fair, when your most common substitute in regards to Slimani is:

On: 19. Islam Slimani
Off: 11. Marc Albrighton

Then its not really that much of a mystery. I have no idea why we do that. We do the same for Ulloa.

He has an excellent strike rate, he just needed more consistent game time. But in the direction we're going, which is the attacking 3 behind Vardy being capable of scoring goals, then it does become a little more tricky to see him come off for a role other than needing a tall man in the dying moments.

To be fair to Shinji, he seems to be enjoying some hot form, being the striker we all knew he was capable of. Shinji's role is a vital one, and I consider him just as important a bit player in all this. The fact that we have Role Players is the reason Nacho is our 5th choice striker. Slimani couldn't do Shinji's role, and well, that led to his current state. I think Slimani is better than Ulloa, but unless he is pulling a pout, I don't understand why he isn't on the bench.

I'm a bit worried that if Slimani leaves, Mahrez is more likely to leave.

Ah, the old guard, Marseille, Nantes, and Monaco... I'd say even Bordeaux, Reims, and Lille too. The ingridiants are there, it's just too bad that it never seems shared at the very top.