The Quinn experiment

[BrunoV]

Just want an idea of what others out there think.

Quinn has shown enough spark for me to think that he is going to be a very good AFL player, possibly as early as next year.

There is no doubt that he has a natural aptitude for the game.

The question that I ask is, do we really want Quinn playing in our side now?

The fury that I feel when watching Quinn take the ball in space and then wait to handball the ball when the kick was the only option that should be considered is unsurpassed by anything else that I witness on the football field.

Is there any danger that Quinn can learn how to play in the VFL? It is not as though he is running players down (using his considerable pace) and playing an excellent defensive game.

I have used the word liabiliy already once this week, and it was a resounding failure, but surely a player that cannot kick the ball, and virtualy wont, is a liability.

Don't jump down my throat for being overly negative, I feel that this is more than valid. If you think that Quinn adds more than he subtracts at this sage then I would like to hear it.


Edit: SirJimi took the standard big footy path so I have made some slight changes.

 

[SirJimi05]

Just want an idea of what others out there think.

Quinn has shown enough spark for me to think that he is going to be a very good AFL player, possibly as early as next year.

There is no doubt that he has a natural aptitude for the game.

The question that I ask is, do we really want Quinn playing in our side now?

The fury that I feel when watching Quinn take the ball in space and then wait to handball the ball when the kick was the only option that should be considered is unsurpassed by anything else that I witness on the football field.

Is there any danger that Quinn can learn how to play in the VFL. It is not as though he is running players down (using his considerable pace) and playig an excellent defensive game.

I have used the word liabiliy already once this week, and it was a resounding failure, but surely a player that cannot kick the ball, and virtualy can't, is a liability.

Don't jump down my throat for being overly negative, I feel that this is more than valid. If you think that Quinn adds more than he subtracts at this sage then I would like to hear it.

Fail x 2.

 

[tubbis]

The kid can kick. Sure we're not talking Andrew Lovett level but from what i've seen, his kicks aren't half bad.
He needs to learn the game though. Too often his teammates find him in a position where an opposition player is on to him immediately (which is when he starts the Shimmying). Kid needs to use his pace more.
Apart from that, I'm not fussed at the moment. He showed some decent from in the VFL. That said, the likes of Jetta, Hocking and Myers are pushing for a spot.

 

[daffo]

He doesn't know how to read the play or where to run do. There was one point during the Saints game where he was standing on the wing when we were coming out of defence. He took three steps forward, continued on standing there then started jogging back. His skills already seem up to it IMO so that won't be the issue, he needs to learn where/when to lead, how to play with teammates in tight spots etc. He is still a very long way away from that. I can't see him making an impact for two years if he does.

 

[BrunoV]

It is not important that he can kick the ball in training or that his skills seem up to it, he doesn't have the confidence to do it and it is to the detriment of the team. Receiving a kick in space and then killing our momentum by waiting to handball is not going to help us make the finals.

I was happy to leave the running, but he does cover a lot of ground going to the wrong spots.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Ideally should be learning to play in the VFL and should not have had any games at AFL this year.

Injuries at the moment mean he might get a game or two. We need to get our balance right between run and play and if we are lacking speed then he might get a game as a guy that can run and pressure.

If Winderlich, Davey, Lovett, Dempsey, Atkinson are in this side at the one time then there's no real reason he should play.

You are right, he does look lost at times but he also has some very good attributes. There's no reason why in a few years time he'll have decent enough skills and his body shape to me suggests it will build up into a very solid unit.

 

[silk]

Ideally should be learning to play in the VFL and should not have had any games at AFL this year.

Injuries at the moment mean he might get a game or two. We need to get our balance right between run and play and if we are lacking speed then he might get a game as a guy that can run and pressure.

If Winderlich, Davey, Lovett, Dempsey, Atkinson are in this side at the one time then there's no real reason he should play.

You are right, he does look lost at times but he also has some very good attributes. There's no reason why in a few years time he'll have decent enough skills and his body shape to me suggests it will build up into a very solid unit.

Agree!

 

[Gpat]

Regarding his "shimmying", gee Brian Taylor's call was funny in the third quarter, along the lines of "he's a funny looking fellow".

 

[efcboy]

i reckon quinny goes alright - for an 18/19yo only having played a handful of games he is pretty awesome for mine.

the best thing for quinny is that he doesn't have to adapt to the new rule changes etc.

 

[Super Gusto]

jeez BrunoV you'd think we'd lost by 10 goals going by your posts.

 

[ant555]

Has done well and has not really hurt us any more than other players have with their mistakes.
I think we got a bit lucky with him on Sunday. When he had Gram in the first quarter he had no idea where he was and struggled to pick him up. Thankfully they moved Gilbert to half back and he played Quinn no repsect at all so Quinn was actually able to do something dangerous at times.

The fury that I feel when watching Quinn take the ball in space and then wait to handball the ball when the kick was the only option that should be considered is unsurpassed by anything else that I witness on the football field.
Is there any danger that Quinn can learn how to play in the VFL? It is not as though he is running players down (using his considerable pace) and playing an excellent defensive game.
I have used the word liabiliy already once this week, and it was a resounding failure, but surely a player that cannot kick the ball, and virtualy wont, is a liability.
Don't jump down my throat for being overly negative, I feel that this is more than valid. If you think that Quinn adds more than he subtracts at this sage then I would like to hear it.

Extremely unfair. He is no worse at doing this than a lot of others in the side. The upside he has is that when he does make a mistake he somehow finds a way to follow his work up and do something good.

 

[BrunoV]

Sorry, the leniency is unacceptable.

We are 8th on the ladder and striving for finals.

The fury is the result of knowing that he is going to do it each time because he doesn't have the skill level / confidence to do what he needs to do.

It is unacceptable that Quinn is selected at this stage. I know Knights is giving him the 'listen Quinny, you have the skills so just go out there and back yourself' speech. Quinn isn't backing himself and the result is that he is not worthy of a spot in the side.

There is no other player who takes a mark in space and is forced into stopping and waiting for a player to make up ground so that a handball can be given off. There are other types of indicision and poor decision marking on the field but not of it is comical to the extent that Quinn is. Our game plan is built on quick movement of the ball and a popular misconception is that this achieved by leg speed only when it is as much a mindset as anything else.

Quinn was not better last week and Jetta was BOG in the twos. Surely giving Jetta some freedom to roam around is a better option.

Hocking was another omission and although he is not as quick as Quinn, he adds to our side in other areas.

 

[BrunoV]

jeez BrunoV you'd think we'd lost by 10 goals going by your posts.

How many times has similar stuff been posted after previous good wins? We cant string together victories. Good wins paper over cracks that exist so it is important to fill the cracks rather than be exposed.

St Kilda didn't have their game going on Sunday. Their characteristic forward pressure would have butchered our running the ball out of their forward line in any of ther first 1 founds. Handballing to players when the pressure mounts is re recipe for disaster. It is why I am in love with Pears he always kicks the ball to our advantage.

 

[Boucks09]

I can understand where you are coming from in a purely idelogical sense (e.g. having a bloke in the side who is playing in a side fighting for finals after only learning the game 6 months ago).

However the fact is that Quinny can actually play the game.

He has earnt his spot through consistent performances at Bendigo, regularly outperforming the likes of Jetta on a weekly basis.

This isn't Round 2 where he has been thrown in from nowhere.

His kicking is actually very good; he can kick well both sides of the body and doesn't give the ball too much elevation. The area he needs to develop is his decision making. I still think he provides so much to the side already (his enthusiasm, pressure, desrire to take the game on) that I wouldn't be putting him into the 'can't play finals' category this season.

Many people were calling for him to be dropped last week due to the fact that we were playing St.Kilda and whilst he was not as impressive as the Brisbane game, I think that he certainly made a contribution to the side.

Did anybody see his interview on BomberTV this week?

He is great, I'm actually going to get his number on a new jumper next year (just waiting to see if he sticks with the #41).

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Horse shit, he deserves to be in the side, and has justified selection. He is unpredictable, which actually works in our side. He might make mistakes but is dangerous and keeps defenders on their toes.

 

[Winner]

Horse shit, he deserves to be in the side, and has justified selection. He is unpredictable, which actually works in our side. He might make mistakes but is dangerous and keeps defenders on their toes.

Bang. We need more players to take as many risks as Quinn. I would hate to be our opposition, you have no idea what we are going to do.

 

[pazza]

I'd leave him up forward.

2 reasons:

1: He could yet be our most genuine crumbing forward, an area where we probably lack;
2: Defensive forward. I lost count the amount of tackles he laid on the weekend, creating forward opportunities.

 

[BrunoV]

2: Defensive forward. I lost count the amount of tackles he laid on the weekend, creating forward opportunities.

2 Tackles.

I don't think that you can make an argument that tackling stats dont reflect the number of tackles a player makes.

 

[Godzke]

I'd leave him up forward.

2 reasons:

1: He could yet be our most genuine crumbing forward, an area where we probably lack;
2: Defensive forward. I lost count the amount of tackles he laid on the weekend, creating forward opportunities.

Yeah I agree. Additional forward pressure + we've got a lot more options down back than we do up forward.

Honestly though, he could be the best Irishman we've seen for quite a while. If his development path continues like it has he'll overtake Marty Clarke within 12 months and could potentially be held in the same regard as tadhg kennelly within 3-4 years.

Competition for spots is UNBELIEVABLE. So he, like the other kids, need to be on their toes.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

2 Tackles.

I don't think that you can make an argument that tackling stats dont reflect the number of tackles a player makes.

He caused the ball to spill or a rushed possession on quite a few occasions.

 

[gle0004]

leave him int he side. loving watching his development and unlike jetta he has potential. we're not pressing for a premiership i dont see why we should drop him for the sake of development when we have seen others develop and flourish through big time experience. just needs to have a bit more confidence. he's getting there.

 

[HighettBomber]

Quinn is going to be a fantastic footballer. His pace is a real asset as is his evasiveness and defensive pressure, but he should not be in the side at the moment. He doesn't need to play AFL for his development and we have better options.

 

[Longy413]

Had a taste, done some nice things, given us the odd laugh.

Back to Bendigo, his taste will have done his development well, now give Jetta a crack in the role and reward his performances at Bendigo.

 

[efcboy]

quinn has ten times the heart of weak, soft players like nash and jetta and that is why he has been getting games ahead of them and deservedly.

 

[George Washington]

quinn has ten times the heart of weak, soft players like nash and jetta and that is why he has been getting games ahead of them and deservedly.

bit harsh, but true.