Mega Thread The Random Thoughts Thread Part 4: Shitizens on Pootroll

[Steve Dore]

How will they possibly survive??

Life without free travel wouldn't be worth living at all

It is pretty tough for them to make ends meet when they are only receiving 75% of their former salary indexed to inflation for life. It is easy to see why they have so much empathy for low paid workers.

 

[finbarr]

Exactly.

Only the lower earners are impacted here.

The Liberals want that gap in class to widen as quick as humanly possible and in 2 years time when unemployment hasn't changed at all, only got worse, the poor will again be the ones blamed and more cuts will come in to their cost of living.

Then we'll all be asking why there are so many are ice addicts and why there is so much crime, especially theft and break and enters.

When was the last time anyone had their wages/salary reduced that could actually afford it????

The end game here is total deregulation of the jobs market, allowing companies to bring in workers from overseas, happy to work for poverty wages. The Gina Reinhardt's of the world have already openly lamented our "unproductive" and "uncompetitive" workforce when held up against those slaving away in neighboring third world countries. It's really only a matter of time before their plan for a low wage workforce of short term contract workers is implemented.

 

[edgie]

In fairness... that sounds sickening to start with, but at least I guess with Gina's ridiculous views, in this country she has the fact that miners earn a very good wage on her side, which is her thing. When I hear her talk shit I assume she isn't talking about the local 24/7 servo worker earning a pittance on the graveyard shift.

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

The last thing I want to do on a sunday is spend time with me family


*or jeezus

 

[Black 18]

I understand your argument but there are also a lot of people who prefer to work weekends such as students working part time and parents who can only work when their spouse has the weekend off.

I don't work Monday to Friday because I love my job.

That's hardly true - maybe a very, very small sample.

I was actually part of a group that collected stats/info from over 2000 employees of a major supermarket chain within the last 2 yrs.

95% would prefer to NOT work on Sundays especially. Most acknowledge Saturday is part and parcel of the job but say the loss of being home on weekends is barely made acceptable by the small increase in take home pay. Most of these people struggle to earn $20/hr and now we are taking from them just so people who have more can enjoy their freedom to shop more? It's horrible in every possible way.

No modelling I have ever seen suggests there will be an increase in positions available, or any benefits to the thousands who do work. this will just be more cash for people who already have more than enough.

I'm embarrassed to be part of society that takes from the less well off to make life easier for those that aren't in such a position.

The larger retail stores also hold a gun to the employees heads by saying things like 'sure you can have Sunday off' and then the following week their hours are reduced or changed to hours that they know aren't suitable to the employee. The people employed in these positions are among the most powerless I have ever encountered in many years of business, and now we are slapping them in the face and telling them they must wear this to better the country???

This whole episode lead by the Liberal Government is the case book definition of spin.

 

[Dylan8]

One of the funnier sentences I have read for a while.

You should watch the good show then

 

[Papa G]

The end game here is total deregulation of the jobs market, allowing companies to bring in workers from overseas, happy to work for poverty wages. The Gina Reinhardt's of the world have already openly lamented our "unproductive" and "uncompetitive" workforce when held up against those slaving away in neighboring third world countries. It's really only a matter of time before their plan for a low wage workforce of short term contract workers is implemented.

Lol. No it doesn't. The proletariat need not worry, Bill the Dill will win in a cakewalk next election.

 

[ScooterBrother]

I would be all for streamlining the penalty rates so that Saturday and Sunday are both the same, provided that loss of income is distributed and spread back throughout the week. Sunday is no longer a religious institution, it should be the same as Saturday IMO.

BUT that hasn't happened and giving people who work in the sectors that were afforded penalty rates a pretty massive pay cut is galling in the extreme. Anyone who thinks otherwise lacks a fundamental ability to feel empathy.

Paying someone $40/hr to pour a beer or make a coffee might be considered high for that task - but during the week, they're still getting shitty wages... so here we are, in a time where wealth inequality is in its most extreme form and what do we do? Cut the wages of our lowest earners.

It's also a false economy. This will now mean more people have less money. So these businesses that are crying poor ought to keep their ****ing mouths shut when no-one has any spare cash to pay for that barista made coffee or that extra beer or the fancy meal.

Anecdotally - I was a lollipop boy when I was at Uni, I was studying full time which meant I couldn't get regular full time employment 9-5 during the week. I had to work weekends. Those Sunday's extra pay meant I could pay my HECS off much quicker. Which then meant I had more money in my pay packet sooner. Which then meant I had more money to pay for the things that the aforementioned businesses are selling.

The theory that its "too expensive to open on a Sunday" is a load of ****ing shit. What places aren't open on a Sunday these days? Those are often peak times for these industries as people aren't working, so the extra customers pay for the extra wages. Additionally, if you absolutely have to, I am sure most people wouldn't mind paying an extra 25c for their flat white if its made on a Sunday so old mate behind the group set can pay for his ****ing tafe course for **** sake.

Utterly stupid decision on so many levels, made by the few to advantage the few. Seems to be the way politics is leaning.

 

[Dylan8]

In what way if at all is the cut to penalty rates made up for in other practical ways? Curious

 

[Papa G]

That's hardly true - maybe a very, very small sample.

I was actually part of a group that collected stats/info from over 2000 employees of a major supermarket chain within the last 2 yrs.

95% would prefer to NOT work on Sundays especially. Most acknowledge Saturday is part and parcel of the job but say the loss of being home on weekends is barely made acceptable by the small increase in take home pay. Most of these people struggle to earn $20/hr and now we are taking from them just so people who have more can enjoy their freedom to shop more? It's horrible in every possible way.

No modelling I have ever seen suggests there will be an increase in positions available, or any benefits to the thousands who do work. this will just be more cash for people who already have more than enough.

I'm embarrassed to be part of society that takes from the less well off to make life easier for those that aren't in such a position.

The larger retail stores also hold a gun to the employees heads by saying things like 'sure you can have Sunday off' and then the following week their hours are reduced or changed to hours that they know aren't suitable to the employee. The people employed in these positions are among the most powerless I have ever encountered in many years of business, and now we are slapping them in the face and telling them they must wear this to better the country???

This whole episode lead by the Liberal Government is the case book definition of spin.

Should go talk to your mates at the SDA. They are meant to be quite powerful aren't they?

 

[Steve Dore]

That's hardly true - maybe a very, very small sample. ....

So all those thousands of school kids and uni students employed in retail, fast-food and hospitality don't count?

For my entire childhood my mother worked weekends when my father was home to look after myself and my siblings. She worked with many people in the same situation. Sorry if that doesn't fit with your stats.

I'm not saying that they are the majority.

 

[Dylan8]

My working week is based around weekends and I don't get penalty rates

Tfw don't get 50 bucks to pour beer

 

[finbarr]

It is pretty tough for them to make ends meet when they are only receiving 75% of their former salary indexed to inflation for life. It is easy to see why they have so much empathy for low paid workers.

Haha. Years ago I worked with a guy who signed up to the state super scheme when he started work. Two thirds of your wage indexed for the rest of your life. Lol! A round of voluntary redundancies came up, he thought about it, but said "*scratches chin* nah, it doesn't quite work out for me financially at the moment. I'm gonna stay".

 

[tribey]

The end game here is total deregulation of the jobs market, allowing companies to bring in workers from overseas, happy to work for poverty wages. The Gina Reinhardt's of the world have already openly lamented our "unproductive" and "uncompetitive" workforce when held up against those slaving away in neighboring third world countries. It's really only a matter of time before their plan for a low wage workforce of short term contract workers is implemented.

Because when you earn $1,000,000 every half hour your goal in life should be to coathanger the arseh*le of the little guy

 

[edgie]

In what way if at all is the cut to penalty rates made up for in other practical ways? Curious

lol it isn't

Ignore anyone that attempts to spin otherwise.

 

[Black 18]

Should go talk to your mates at the SDA. They are meant to be quite powerful aren't they?

I have nothing to do with them whatsoever.

I do have a sense of empathy for those that aren't as fortunate as other though.

A pity you don't.

 

[edgie]

Should go talk to your mates at the SDA. They are meant to be quite powerful aren't they?

SDA lost a lot of its teeth when Peter M left.

 

[finbarr]

Is good ol' Peter Vaughn of Business SA still around? He'd be popping the champagne corks today.

Always remember that dickhead getting on his soapbox every year about "South Australians will be getting on planes as we speak so they can fly to Melbourne to go shopping because SA doesn't open for business on Good Friday....."

 

[Steve Dore]

Haha. Years ago I worked with a guy who signed up to the state super scheme when he started work. Two thirds of your wage indexed for the rest of your life. Lol! A round of voluntary redundancies came up, he thought about it, but said "*scratches chin* nah, it doesn't quite work out for me financially at the moment. I'm gonna stay".

My father-in-law retired on that scheme at 57. He can't understand why I am still working at my age and whinges about having his part pension cut because he has too much income from his super.

 

[edgie]

Best job I ever had was doing cash in hand bar work for a mates mum who organised events and functions.

$50 an hour then upped to $100 if I wanted to stay on after 12 (entirely my choice, zero pressure).

I didn't even have to handle money. There was a separate area to pay. Just pour, retap, collect empties, pop them in the dishwasher, get them out the dishwasher, repeat.

My mates family is loaded through his dads work, but at least generous enough to give it back.

 

[Papa G]

Haha. Years ago I worked with a guy who signed up to the state super scheme when he started work. Two thirds of your wage indexed for the rest of your life. Lol! A round of voluntary redundancies came up, he thought about it, but said "*scratches chin* nah, it doesn't quite work out for me financially at the moment. I'm gonna stay".

Pretty much the last of these State Gov blokes are finishing work now. The old Defined Benefit Scheme. Absolute Gold. When they die, the wife still gets a third. There's a reason they got rid of these, far too generous..... bit like Sunday penalty rates.

 

[edgie]

Pretty much the last of these State Gov blokes are finishing work now. The old Defined Benefit Scheme. Absolute Gold. When they die, the wife still gets a third. There's a reason they got rid of these, far too generous..... bit like Sunday penalty rates.

No ****ing way

Shirley that's not a genuine comparison...

 

[Papa G]

No ******* way

Shirley that's not a genuine comparison...

ACDC V Star Wars.

 

[tribey]

Is good ol' Peter Vaughn of Business SA still around? He'd be popping the champagne corks today.

Always remember that dickhead getting on his soapbox every year about "South Australians will be getting on planes as we speak so they can fly to Melbourne to go shopping because SA doesn't open for business on Good Friday....."

This guy seems ok with things

 

[chiwigi]

There's absolutely nothing stopping the bosses from paying the old rates!


Oh wait, most people shat on the unions when they thought they didn't need them.