Mega Thread The Random Thoughts Thread Part 4: Shitizens on Pootroll

[ScooterBrother]

FAKE NEWS! Jesus Christ, Trumps influence knows no bounds.

I could find you 300 sources which credits the stimulus package as a significant contributor to Australia's healthy-ish economy during the GFC.

Iron Ore prices also helped, no doubt.

 

[Arthur Dunger]

We need a resurgence on the good ol' Wet T-Shirt competition.

 

[edgie]

I'd rather people find me some sources where it is proven that cutting earning results in a more stimulated economy with more jobs.

inb4 go look for them yourself

No, I don't want to waste my time looking for something I don't believe in thanks. It would be less constructive than watching one of those documentaries that attempt to scientifically prove Noah's Ark was real.

 

[LukeSA]

I'd rather people find me some sources where it is proven that cutting earning results in a more stimulated economy with more jobs.

inb4 go look for them yourself

No, I don't want to waste my time looking for something I don't believe in thanks. It would be less constructive than watching one of those documentaries that attempt to scientifically prove Noah's Ark was real.

Nuh-Ah... everyone knows Noah's Ark was built by aliens, some guy with weird hair told us so.

 

[Portia]

inb4 someone links a study that relies on moving jobs to countries with a lower cost of labour to increase business profitability, ignoring the part of edgie's question that refers specifically to the economy jobs are currently in.

 

[ScooterBrother]

Decreasing salaries has never created a job, nowhere in the world. It just doesn't work. It just makes bigger executive bonuses. You neo-liberals make me laugh (or cry, depending on the day).

The notion that all these business owners would sacrifice spare profit out of their own pockets so that they can employ people out of the goodness of their own heart is so laughably naive it's hilarious.

Sure, very few might, but most of the time that would only be to create a positive public image and therefore create more demand and boost their profits (Hi there Lush).

My how far we have slipped as a society where this is even an argument.

What galls me the most is I bet half the campaigners that argue this shit probably benefited from favourable working conditions in their younger days. Then they get to the gentry and very quickly roll up the red carpet.

 

[Burningleviathan]

The thing is hospitality has increased it's employment by 11% since 2011 far above national average of 6%. I believe it has picked up a lot of the slack of the mining down turn (I could be wrong) So the industry has done a good job of increasing employment opportunities even with those repressive penalty rates. The question should be, does the industry have an issue in creating employment growth, if so, should cutting the wages of its employees be the go. It appears the industry is actually doing fine creating growth, so what need to cut rates?

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

We need a resurgence on the good ol' Wet T-Shirt competition.

 

[Papa G]

The notion that all these business owners would sacrifice spare profit out of their own pockets so that they can employ people out of the goodness of their own heart is so laughably naive it's hilarious.

Sure, very few might, but most of the time that would only be to create a positive public image and therefore create more demand and boost their profits (Hi there Lush).

My how far we have slipped as a society where this is even an argument.

What galls me is a bet half the campaigners that argue this shit probably benefited from favourable working conditions in their younger days. Then they get to the gentry and very quickly roll up the red carpet.

I worked in a Pub 20 years ago. For 2 years. Got paid around $13 an hour, flat, whether it was Tuesday night, Friday lunch or Sunday afternoon.

 

[Prison bar Pete]

Bloody safe working procedures, I need to do one for our safety ladder it has three steps.

mine gets inspected every 6 months

 

[ScooterBrother]

I worked in a Pub 20 years ago. For 2 years. Got paid around $13 an hour, flat, whether it was Tuesday night, Friday lunch or Sunday afternoon.

Which is fine. Provided that $13 was enough for that work.

Not many people are against evening out the rates - its just the cut that people are pissed about.

C'mon dude you cant be this daft.

$40-$20-$20-$20-$20-$20-$30 - fine
$25-$25-$25-$25-$25-$25-$25 - also fine

 

[Papa G]

Which is fine. Provided that $13 was enough for that work.

Not many people are against evening out the rates - its just the cut that people are pissed about.

C'mon dude you cant be this daft.

$40-$20-$20-$20-$20-$20-$30 - fine
$25-$25-$25-$25-$25-$25-$25 - also fine

Never said I was against an increase in the minimum wage.

 

[El Zorro]

Which is fine. Provided that $13 was enough for that work.

Not many people are against evening out the rates - its just the cut that people are pissed about.

C'mon dude you cant be this daft.

$40-$20-$20-$20-$20-$20-$30 - fine
$25-$25-$25-$25-$25-$25-$25 - also fine

The most likely scenario now will be $20-$20-$20-$20-$20-$20-$20-$20-$20 people will work longer for the same money. It won't create more jobs but the stats will say that people are working more hours, so the government will use that as indication of success.

 

[ScooterBrother]

Never said I was against an increase in the minimum wage.

OK, you're alive and have a brain and heart, this is good.

But you know this was a pretty much a cut to those who are earning close to or actually are earning a minimum wage ($17.70/hr) right?

 

[Power Girl]

We need a resurgence on the good ol' Wet T-Shirt competition.

No thanks. I don't know what you look like but I'm sure it wouldn't be pretty in a wet t.shirt

 

[manureid]

No thanks. I don't know what you look like but I'm sure it wouldn't be pretty in a wet t.shirt

 

[Arthur Dunger]

No thanks. I don't know what you look like but I'm sure it wouldn't be pretty in a wet t.shirt

Far better with it on rather than off!

 

[Papa G]

OK, you're alive and have a brain and heart, this is good.

But you know this was a pretty much a cut to those who are earning close to or actually are earning a minimum wage ($17.70/hr) right?

Look I'm not some idiot Alt Right spanner like Jumbo is trying to be, but fervent left wing dogma annoys the shit out of me. Double time on a Sunday is an anachronism in modern society that should be done away with. The Fair Work Commission, headed by a former ACTU President who was installed by **** Shorten agrees.

 

[ScooterBrother]

Look I'm not some idiot Alt Right spanner like Jumbo is trying to be, but fervent left wing dogma annoys the shit out of me. Double time on a Sunday is an anachronism in modern society that should be done away with. The Fair Work Commission, headed by a former ACTU President who was installed by **** Shorten agrees.

Hahah fair enough.

If they had of spread the cut to Sunday rates by proportionally increasing the wages on the other days this debate would never have gotten started.

 

[bomberclifford]

The notion that all these business owners would sacrifice spare profit out of their own pockets so that they can employ people out of the goodness of their own heart is so laughably naive it's hilarious.

Sure, very few might, but most of the time that would only be to create a positive public image and therefore create more demand and boost their profits (Hi there Lush).

My how far we have slipped as a society where this is even an argument.

What galls me the most is I bet half the campaigners that argue this shit probably benefited from favourable working conditions in their younger days. Then they get to the gentry and very quickly roll up the red carpet.

You seem to have a very narrow view of what a business is and why it employs people.

For most businesses, growth is associated with increased number of employees.
Ergo: if you want to grow (and make more profit) you will have to employ more people.

 

[Lagooner]

No thanks. I don't know what you look like but I'm sure it wouldn't be pretty in a wet t.shirt

 

[Twist_of_Lemon]

It would be less constructive than watching one of those documentaries that attempt to scientifically prove Noah's Ark was real.

I take it you've witnessed the debate between Bill Nye and Ken Ham with regards to the probability and practicality of Noah's Ark? I'm still finding bits of grey matter from when my brain exploded listening to old mate Ken.

 

[ScooterBrother]

You seem to have a very narrow view of what a business is and why it employs people.

For most businesses, growth is associated with increased number of employees.
Ergo: if you want to grow (and make more profit) you will have to employ more people.

But this debate isn't about growth. There hasn't been a new day invented in the Gregorian calendar. Businesses have already been able to open on Sundays. So again, if they decided to distribute the cuts across the rest of the days, no problem.

But they didn't do that. Which to me says it is far less about providing job opportunities and far more to do with more money in the pockets of business owners.

Which isn't a bad thing at all, but you can do that without taking it from others.

I actually support a lot of the small business fiscal measures and changes of late - especially contract law.

 

[Dylan8]

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Great episode because it introduces The Duster

 

[edgie]

I worked in a Pub 20 years ago. For 2 years. Got paid around $13 an hour, flat, whether it was Tuesday night, Friday lunch or Sunday afternoon.

"I didn't get it 20 years ago so why should people today?".

Because the world moves on and any decent society will continue to improve living conditions for all.

Weekend work is in no way an anachronism. These people still miss out on the most. We still live in a 9 to 5 Monday to Friday working society and people who work outside those hours are disadvantaged to how much potential they have to enjoy themselves. To advocate this is not dogmatic.