Hot Topic The Rebuild, est. 2023 and/or 2025

[Schnitzengruben]

Yes and no.

What it really shows is you need about 6 elite guys to have a chance. How you get them doesn’t matter that much

drafting well is just the most economical way to do it

Who was the last club to trade for 6 elite players and win a premiership? You could maybe argue Geelong but other than that, it's all been the draft.

 

[Lore]

Who was the last club to trade for 6 elite players and win a premiership? You could maybe argue Geelong but other than that, it's all been the draft.

I don't have trade data but these are the playing lists for each premiership team since 2009...

 

[donlav99]

There was an article in the age a couple of months ago suggesting we are using the crows and lions rebuild as a blueprint

TBH, if you're not forging your own path/innovating, you're always going to be a step behind the comp. Time to be creative , not just walk in the shadow of successful teams.

 

[faible]

TBH, if you're not forging your own path/innovating, you're always going to be a step behind the comp. Time to be creative , not just walk in the shadow of successful teams.

It's a closed system.

You either draft players, or acquire them from another club.

There's not really an option to 'be creative' there.

 

[doug85]

Who was the last club to trade for 6 elite players and win a premiership? You could maybe argue Geelong but other than that, it's all been the draft.

Hawks had Frawley, Burgoyne, Lake, McEvoy, Gunston, Gibson and Hale.

Trade and FA is critical

 

[jdstorm]

Who was the last club to trade for 6 elite players and win a premiership? You could maybe argue Geelong but other than that, it's all been the draft.

Dunno but when the lions won last season they had Neale, Dunkley Cameron and Daniher so you’d say 4/6 stars traded in.

Drafting high is a more consistently reliable way to bring in these types of players but it’s far from the only way

It’s also critical that you draft and develop well in the later parts of the draft to build depth which allows for surplus starting quality players to trade and upgrade into stars

 

[Yoda_]

Dunno but when the lions won last season they had Neale, Dunkley Cameron and Daniher so you’d say 4/6 stars traded in.

Drafting high is a more consistently reliable way to bring in these types of players but it’s far from the only way

It’s also critical that you draft and develop well in the later parts of the draft to build depth which allows for surplus starting quality players to trade and upgrade into stars

Drafting high?

You only need 4-5 top 10 picks drafted. Nailing and developing mid to late round picks is as crucial as it is trading and acquiring via free agency

 

[jmoo wan]

It's a closed system.

You either draft players, or acquire them from another club.

There's not really an option to 'be creative' there.

you’ve never heard of a 3D printer? we should just print out our own superstars

 

[ghostdog]

It's a closed system.

You either draft players, or acquire them from another club.

There's not really an option to 'be creative' there.

We haven't looked at any Irish players since McBride.
Haven't gone deep into any Aboriginal communities since Munkara and Mozzie.

 

[Shanghaistu]

Not sure if this is the right thread, but we also need to address leadership and hunger for success - if we had any leadership group, I’d be hoping they would be asking the entire playing group to attend all the finals and watch the successful teams play pressure football and develop hunger to be the ones out there at this time of year. Instead it seems our group just focuses on the end of season lads trip and individualistic diva-esque trade and contract talks

 

[Squeaky]

Not sure if this is the right thread, but we also need to address leadership and hunger for success - if we had any leadership group, I’d be hoping they would be asking the entire playing group to attend all the finals and watch the successful teams play pressure football and develop hunger to be the ones out there at this time of year. Instead it seems our group just focuses on the end of season lads trip and individualistic diva-esque trade and contract talks

Spot on. Doesn't feel like there is a lot of ownership of careers and collective will to get out of the death spiral! It feels defeatist for us supporters.

 

[Atavistic]

you’ve never heard of a 3D printer? we should just print out our own superstars

And then trade them to other clubs, while keeping the original. The other clubs will look like fools when they try and get their printed players to play football.

 

[Lingsface]

With how many injuries Essendon had this year, why didn't Kale Gerreyn get a game?
I was a big fan of him at juniors and would of liked to of seen him this year. Just looking for some info from the informed.

 

[faible]

With how many injuries Essendon had this year, why didn't Kale Gerreyn get a game?
I was a big fan of him at juniors and would of liked to of seen him this year. Just looking for some info from the informed.

Coming from a long way back fitness wise I'd guess, endurance wasn't a strength pre-draft, though I'd have still played him for the final game anyway. He'd played down back the last few VFL games and I believe had done a good job.

 

[Squeaky]

you’ve never heard of a 3D printer? we should just print out our own superstars

We're standing around our printer like Dennis Denuto!

 

[Lore]

you’ve never heard of a 3D printer? we should just print out our own superstars

The 21st century version of the father son rule

 

[donlav99]

It's a closed system.

You either draft players, or acquire them from another club.

There's not really an option to 'be creative' there.

then why is the article referring to the lions/ crows blueprint? clearly they're doing something different / right. something we haven't done for a longgggg time.

 

[faible]

then why is the article referring to the lions/ crows blueprint? clearly they're doing something different / right. something we haven't done for a longgggg time.

Probably because they're the latest examples of it.

Hawthorn built their side in the late 00s - early 10s by drafting well and bringing in key players via Trade (can't remember if FA was involved then). Richmond did the same, built mostly through the draft then traded in Prestia & Nankervis followed by Lynch.

It's hardly a 'new' formula. Geelong have probably been the only side doing something a bit different, but that was largely facilitated by the side they built in the 00s-early 10s through the draft then getting an out-and-out superstar in Dangerfield for peanuts then trading / FA for mostly older players. They've since managed to draft guys like Holmes whilst paying unders to trade in a Bailey Smith. Once you've already got the competitive list you can sustain it for an extended period of time due to the nature of trade / FA largely helping the top club more than the bottom ones.

Essendon tried to short-cut it a bit in the late 10s with the Saad, Smith, Stringer then Shiel trades before we really had a proven core from the draft. But that was also based off recommitting to the suspended players and the superstar talent of (we thought) Daniher.

The whole concept is 'hit the draft hard for a 3-5 year window then trade / FA for missing pieces'. If we can trade / FA in guys during that time that fit the age demographic and cost (e.g. Duursma) then you grab them along the way as well.

They're probably hoping to hit the next 2 drafts pretty hard, pick-up Bewick as a F/S whatever year he's eligible, and keep cap space to make a play for a star like Reid when he's OOC in a couple of years.

 

[donlav99]

Probably because they're the latest examples of it.

Hawthorn built their side in the late 00s - early 10s by drafting well and bringing in key players via Trade (can't remember if FA was involved then). Richmond did the same, built mostly through the draft then traded in Prestia & Nankervis followed by Lynch.

It's hardly a 'new' formula. Geelong have probably been the only side doing something a bit different, but that was largely facilitated by the side they built in the 00s-early 10s through the draft then getting an out-and-out superstar in Dangerfield for peanuts then trading / FA for mostly older players. They've since managed to draft guys like Holmes whilst paying unders to trade in a Bailey Smith. Once you've already got the competitive list you can sustain it for an extended period of time due to the nature of trade / FA largely helping the top club more than the bottom ones.

Essendon tried to short-cut it a bit in the late 10s with the Saad, Smith, Stringer then Shiel trades before we really had a proven core from the draft. But that was also based off recommitting to the suspended players and the superstar talent of (we thought) Daniher.

The whole concept is 'hit the draft hard for a 3-5 year window then trade / FA for missing pieces'. If we can trade / FA in guys during that time that fit the age demographic and cost (e.g. Duursma) then you grab them along the way as well.

They're probably hoping to hit the next 2 drafts pretty hard, pick-up Bewick as a F/S whatever year he's eligible, and keep cap space to make a play for a star like Reid when he's OOC in a couple of years.

The problem is, the EFC has a penchant for overrating the list / players. Unwilling to make the tough calls on players that are internally perceived as high end talent. I would consider the club to be innovative if they offloaded the likes of a Langford, Parish, Draper, Mcgrath. Players historically considered "unlosable" by the EFC, but these are bold moves that a pragmatic club would make. I'm sure plenty will disagree but fk me, i'm sick of this club sitting firmly on the merry-go-round of mediocrity.

 

[faible]

The problem is, the EFC has a penchant for overrating the list / players. Unwilling to make the tough calls on players that are internally perceived as high end talent. I would consider the club to be innovative if they offloaded the likes of a Langford, Parish, Draper, Mcgrath. Players historically considered "unlosable" by the EFC, but these are bold moves that a pragmatic club would make. I'm sure plenty will disagree but fk me, i'm sick of this club sitting firmly on the merry-go-round of mediocrity.

From memory Richmond had this issue; the club was so starved of success that any time there was a hint of the playing group being maybe OK they rushed to top-up and try to scratch any level of success they could. Usually topping out at mediocre.

It seems (from the outside at least) that we've got a list manager, CEO, and head coach all fully aligned with a 3-5 year list build that hopefully means they don't rush to top-up next season but hold out a bit longer to genuinely cycle a few drafts worth of decent players in to the list. If that means making a call on guys like Langford and Ridley that are decent players but probably the wrong age demographic for the list build we're making (plus the recent issues they're developing with durability) then I hope the club is willing to do so.

Not fighting a bidding war on Draper and paying through the nose to keep him is a good sign IMO. Sounds like we've done enough to ensure any offers should make Band 1 compo level, but nothing more.

 

[BomberManU]

After 12 losses in a row and then this carry on, this is 'rock bottom'...right? RIGHT???

 

[Zach Package]

After 12 losses in a row and then this carry on, this is 'rock bottom'...right? RIGHT???

'Don't make me tap the 'the coach was on meth' sign again

 

[Lore]

It seems Zach thought this was still the 2021 rebuild....

 

[joey_jo_jo]

'Don't make me tap the 'the coach was on meth' sign again

I think we miss that crazy energy

 

[jdstorm]

Probably because they're the latest examples of it.

Hawthorn built their side in the late 00s - early 10s by drafting well and bringing in key players via Trade (can't remember if FA was involved then). Richmond did the same, built mostly through the draft then traded in Prestia & Nankervis followed by Lynch.

It's hardly a 'new' formula. Geelong have probably been the only side doing something a bit different, but that was largely facilitated by the side they built in the 00s-early 10s through the draft then getting an out-and-out superstar in Dangerfield for peanuts then trading / FA for mostly older players. They've since managed to draft guys like Holmes whilst paying unders to trade in a Bailey Smith. Once you've already got the competitive list you can sustain it for an extended period of time due to the nature of trade / FA largely helping the top club more than the bottom ones.

Essendon tried to short-cut it a bit in the late 10s with the Saad, Smith, Stringer then Shiel trades before we really had a proven core from the draft. But that was also based off recommitting to the suspended players and the superstar talent of (we thought) Daniher.

The whole concept is 'hit the draft hard for a 3-5 year window then trade / FA for missing pieces'. If we can trade / FA in guys during that time that fit the age demographic and cost (e.g. Duursma) then you grab them along the way as well.

They're probably hoping to hit the next 2 drafts pretty hard, pick-up Bewick as a F/S whatever year he's eligible, and keep cap space to make a play for a star like Reid when he's OOC in a couple of years.

I’d say it’s less that Essendon tried to shortcut it and more Essendon bought in the wrong players.