Prediction The Roll

[Soaring Magpie]

We are 2 and 6. Will finish at 13-9.

The Roll begins on Saturday night.

So finals bound then?
Better jump on and have a sneaky 20 on them to make the 8.

 

[No SPIN]

It would be irrelevant if we weren't assessing a coach in his 6th year who is trying to save his job.



Do you honestly want to "win" and keep the current coach based on what we have been exposed to in 6yrs?
There's winning, and then there's winning.
We could scrape results and get the 4 points but what would it prove? When's the last time we totally outplayed, and smashed our opposition to romp it in?
Even teams who have struggled worse than us in Hawks and Swans can still post big wins.



People think our form against GWS and Geelong shows what we are "capable of".
It does not.

Our true form is what we have been consistently serving up every other week.

Those games are anomalies.
Teams we have mental edge over and match up wel against.

Think Dean Bailey's Melbourne.
An absolute basket case but against Collingwood always performed well.
In our premiership year we beat them by 1 point and should have probably lost that game and then we drew on QB.

A few wins on a "roll" at the point of time where this football club is at is pointless.

We are crying out for change.

The sooner the better.

You are digging yourself a bigger hole.

 

[HFF]

You are digging yourself a bigger hole.

You won't let go of your man crush for Buckley will you?

Under no circumstances can he do anything wrong?

 

[jackcass]

Do you honestly want to "win" and keep the current coach based on what we have been exposed to in 6yrs?
There's winning, and then there's winning.
We could scrape results and get the 4 points but what would it prove? When's the last time we totally outplayed, and smashed our opposition to romp it in?
Even teams who have struggled worse than us in Hawks and Swans can still post big wins.

What a crock!

If we were to win every game through to the end of the season then I'd be more than happy for the club to offer Bucks another year. If he doesn't make it then so be it, I'll move on. I'm not so irrational in my support of the club that I need Bucks to fail and get ousted as some weird sort of validation.

4 points is 4 points and I'll take them every time any way they come.

 

[Kirby]

Not sure about a roll?

Looks more like a shit sandwich.

 

[HFF]

What a crock!

If we were to win every game through to the end of the season then I'd be more than happy for the club to offer Bucks another year. If he doesn't make it then so be it, I'll move on. I'm not so irrational in my support of the club that I need Bucks to fail and get ousted as some weird sort of validation.

4 points is 4 points and I'll take them every time any way they come.

I don't need him to fail, he is already doing that himself.

I'm not blinded of the reality though.

He's failed as a coach.
It's over with us.
The sooner he goes the better we will all be and able to move on.

 

[No SPIN]

You won't let go of your man crush for Buckley will you?

Under no circumstances can he do anything wrong?

Just retract your posts its easier than trying to digress in order to divert attention from it.

 

[HFF]

Just retract your posts its easier than trying to digress in order to divert attention from it.

Retract?
Why?
Because I don't buy into this bullshit that is being given to us by the club and all these Buckley lovers who simply cannot let go of the fact that he is now a coach and not a champion player any more?

It's disappointing that we as fans are now a club divided.

 

[No SPIN]

I don't need him to fail, he is already doing that himself.

I'm not blinded of the reality though.

He's failed as a coach.
It's over with us.
The sooner he goes the better we will all be and able to move on.

You ARE blinded - because you still want him gone even if he turns the season around
The 13-9 ( and finals spot) however unlikely will save Buckley - and rightly so for all reasonable supporters, except yourself of course.

 

[noideaatall]

I...
A few wins on a "roll" at the point of time where this football club is at is pointless.
We are crying out for change.
The sooner the better.

Aahhh, I get it now. Losing hastens the change of coach, which is what you want. Fine. Still don't understand why you coupled it with Roos' comments and the notion losing is the best way to proceed. I totally agree we are crying out for change, a roll of wins would be that perfect change IMO.

 

[TradeDraft]

Retract?
Why?
Because I don't buy into this bullshit that is being given to us by the club and all these Buckley lovers who simply cannot let go of the fact that he is now a coach and not a champion player any more?

It's disappointing that we as fans are now a club divided.

I also get sick of the Buckley Cult

 

[Finnishpie]

Will finish with less wins than last year.

Trend will continue.

Fewer wins, Unknown. It's not less, it's fewer.

 

[HFF]

You ARE blinded - because you still want him gone even if he turns the season around
The 13-9 ( and finals spot) however unlikely will save Buckley - and rightly so for all reasonable supporters, except yourself of course.

That's because I'm using more than 1 year as a sample size to form an assessment on the coach.
He's been here 6yrs.

 

[No SPIN]

Retract?
Why?
Because I don't buy into this bullshit that is being given to us by the club and all these Buckley lovers who simply cannot let go of the fact that he is now a coach and not a champion player any more?

It's disappointing that we as fans are now a club divided.

Retract - because your premise about losing (not Buckley) is just rubbish, as many here have already pointed out.

 

[HFF]

Retract - because your premise about losing (not Buckley) is just rubbish, as many here have already pointed out.

We've got no balls at this football club to do what needs to be done that has been evident for some time now.

The only way change will occur is by default of losing.
Otherwise it's all rainbows and unicorns.

This unfortunately is a scenario brought upon us by the current administration.

 

[No SPIN]

That's because I'm using more than 1 year as a sample size to form an assessment on the coach.
He's been here 6yrs.

Again you make a basic mistake - ie. recent season/performance is more relevant than past seasons.
Of course we ignore the past 5 season, and reappoint Bucks if this year is successful.

The past 5 season are only relevant if he fails, because quite rightly, people (including myself) will say he's had his chance.

 

[No SPIN]

We've got no balls at this football club to do what needs to be done that has been evident for some time now.

The only way change will occur is by default of losing.
Otherwise it's all rainbows and unicorns.

This unfortunately is a scenario brought upon us by the current administration.

So the club needs to show BALLS by LOSING.

I think that's where we end this discussion - you're now being completely illogical.

 

[HFF]

Again you make a basic mistake - ie. recent season/performance is more relevant than past seasons.
Of course we ignore the past 5 season, and reappoint Bucks if this year is successful.

The past 5 season are only relevant if he fails, because quite rightly, people (including myself) will say he's had his chance.

At 2-6 have you not seen enough- just in this isolated space alone?

Without even looking back 5yrs…is this not enough for you to crystallise your thoughts that it is time for a change?

 

[Leviathan Pie]

Drugs are bad.

 

[HFF]

So the club needs to show BALLS by LOSING.

I think that's where we end this discussion - you're now being completely illogical.

No the club doesn't need to show balls by losing because the losing will make things simpler for them to do what needed to already be done.

They needed to show balls by now and make the hard decisions.

Losing is the only thing that will force them to act because they cannot make a tough decision on their own.

It's a default.
The mindset will be- we are losing so we need to be seen to act.

True leadership would have already acted before it was in free fall decline.

 

[Spatfers]

There is a clear reason this roll will not occur. We have an inability to defeat sides that adhere to a specific gameplan and structures (St Kilda, Melbourne, Carlton). This won't change in the next 15 weeks. We can compete with teams like Geelong, GWS, Bulldogs, etc because they go away from their plans/structures often and individual players can have an impact. The reason we can't beat most of them is because they can adapt and adjust their plans.

Yes we may beat Hawthorn on Saturday and Brisbane the week after because they don't currently have the players capable of executing their plans, but once we go up against a structured, well-drilled side again we will get beaten convincingly.

No amount of individual brilliance can compensate for a proper, well-executed gameplan.

 

[JG13]

I disagree with the your conclusions - particularly us making the finals being disastrous? However, I agree totally with Paul Roos about playing a consistent brand. I reckon the reason why we go better against good teams than bad teams is that good teams don't adjust their gameplan for us. Ordinary teams adjust their gameplans to beat our flawed gameplan and thus defeat us. Good teams seem to find it harder to beat us, because they don't adjust their game plans. They don't get numbers behind the ball and then wait for us to press too far forward.

ive thought similar to this on many occasions. I feel the good teams are too busy trying to win with their brand of footy which allows us to play a good contested free flowing game. Where as the poorer teams are busy just trying to beat us by focusing on our weaknesses rather than their own strengths

 

[Maggie5]

Retract?
Why?
Because I don't buy into this bullshit that is being given to us by the club and all these Buckley lovers who simply cannot let go of the fact that he is now a coach and not a champion player any more?

It's disappointing that we as fans are now a club divided.

Retract? No don't really care what you post as long as it is no more of you quoting Roo's bullshit.

 

[MyManLynch]

I also get sick of the Buckley Cult

I only went to one meeting.
Everyone wearing a Buckley mask was one thing, but when I saw them brewing a giant tub of Kool aid, I bolted.

 

[doppleganger]

I don't need him to fail, he is already doing that himself.

I'm not blinded of the reality though.

He's failed as a coach.
It's over with us.
The sooner he goes the better we will all be and able to move on.

You are blinded.

If we do get on a 'roll' and finish up 13-9 going 11-3 from where we are now he is obviously doing something right.

All purely hypotethetical though, but if a Buckley coached team stormed home and made finals, that itself is the evidence that players have bought in, the plan is working and Buckley was coaching well.

You can't fluke going 11-3 by chasing 'wins'.

Why the feck would you sack a coach who turned a season around and went 11-3 to make finals??