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This has been a contentious issue so far in 2011. Can we carry 2 ruckmen? Can we afford 2 have mummy handle a majority of the ruck duties? Do we have players who are capable of providing a decent chop out if mummy goes solo?

It appears as though horse thought having 2 ruckmen was a liability (after the initial seaby sub debacle). Mumford seemed to be really struggling on his own, often going to the bench holding his knees, hammys etc. It was obviously taking a toll on him. I, like many others, was calling for a second ruck to support mummy, but it appears its a little late, mummy goes down due to the heavy workload, our second ruck option is also down, leaving seabs to carry the load. I was disappointed that I read in the paper that horse conceded that perhaps mummy has been worn down by his workload AFTER he was facing time on the sidelines. It was obvious to most that he was being worked into the ground.

Horse trying out white & lrt in the ruck leads me to believe that he's preparing for the possibility of playing mummy solo with perhaps white & lrt rotating though the ruck. In theory that could he the perfect solution but in reality don't think it'd work. Besides, I'm somewhat bemused by horses use of lrt altogether, playing him forward & ruck where he's nothing more than average when he's been an absolute asset down back.

I personally think mummy/pyke combo is a winner. Gives mummy a rest, which allows him to perform at his best when he is in the ruck. It also means that he's able to contribute around the ground with 2nd & 3rd efforts & tackling pressure (something that's been missing for most of the year because he's spent). And most importantly reduces the risk of injury (facing stints without our #1 ruck) and prolongs his career.

The only negative (other than the midfielders having a higher workload) is that a midfielder misses out on a game. Someone like parker could be getting a game if we didn't field the 2nd ruck, but after careful consideration over the course of the.season & seeing horses different strategies, & the outcomes of these strategies, I don't think it negotiable. Imo we must play a second ruckman.

1 possible strategy to overcome the issue of having a ruckman hogging game time would be to inject the sub into the game half way thru the 3rd. That way the ruck division play a little more than 1.5 games between them and the sub gets a little less than a half. Obviously there's a risk in losing a player after the sub is utilized. The swans have been extremely conservative with their sub use, but what I suggest is they look at the stats for injuries.that have occurred late in the 3rd & if its not a regular occurance then its a calculated risk. 9 times out of 10 you'll get away with taking the risk, and when an injury does occur it'll be a test of the players resolve. Well worth the risk imo, and doesn't necessarily equal a loss if a player does go down.

What are your thoughts? 2 rucks a must? Or would you prefer an extra midfileder?
 
Mike Pyke is my preferred option when he's fit. Can go forward and be effective, can he a very effective tap ruckman and is as athletically gifted as just about anyone his size in the league.

We're seeing the effects of Mumford having to shoulder the load with a part timer to back him up (Jesse or LRT). LRT is a very effective tall defender and that's where he should be, though he has battled manfully in the ruck and has provided something up forward when floating down there.

Furthermore, Pyke being in the side to play up forward allows Goodes greater scope to play in the midfield (a subject I seem to be harping on about a lot this week, but I think it's very important).
 
Hopefully for the next few weeks, maybe starting the week after the RIchmond game, have Pyke mainly in the ruck - we're playing Carlton who don't have one of the better ruck divisions, although I dunno if Kreuze will be back - with Mumford mainly up forward. Once Mummy can be sure he hasn't ****ed his knee up, he can go back in more full-time and have Pyke at FF. It's cruel to Seaby but, whatever.
 
Yeah, seaby's really fallen out of favour after that injury, after such a promising start as well. I guess it really is a testament to How far Pyke has come that he's become the overwhelming favourite. gotta feel for seabs tho.
 

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We have a brownlow medalist ruckman in our stocks that goes by the name of Adam Goodes. I say have him pinch hit in the ruck with mummy up the forward line and LRT back down the backline where he should be.
 
We have a brownlow medalist ruckman in our stocks that goes by the name of Adam Goodes. I say have him pinch hit in the ruck with mummy up the forward line and LRT back down the backline where he should be.

I suppose that would all depend on Goodes' knees. Roos vowed not to play Goodes in the ruck fearing he would get injured but obviously Roos isn't in charge anymore and it is really Longmire's call.
 
This has been a contentious issue so far in 2011. Can we carry 2 ruckmen?

I've been of the opinion all along that we MUIST carry 2 ruckmen and they should be Mumford and Pyke.

Pyke has really develped in leaps and bounds and can now be used effectively in the F50, something we definately need. We are starting to see the effects of running Mummy into the ground already. :(

Having the 2 also allows White to stay forward and LRT should be in the D50 where he belongs.

I don't think we lose a midfielder, but perhaps its hard to fit all the running defenders in (Kennelly\Malceski\Shaw\Mattner\Everitt) for a start. Frees Goodes up more to roam the ground making him harder to match up on as forward he requires on of the better defenders and running through the midfield he needs to be marked by someone large, versatile and with a big tank (not many of those).

Going forward, we should be rotating the younger midfielders through week by week to give them all a chance to grow and gain some experience before being required in their more regularly.

The sub becomes much more important and needs to be that fast player or line breaker. Someone creative who can impact the scoreboard directly or through moving the ball forward efficiently.

I kinda feel for Seaby, the sub rule has almost certainly ended his time with us. Maybe he'll have some value to a GWS or GC but who knows. He too can play forward, but I think the other 2 offer more versatility and defence around the ground.
 
I suppose that would all depend on Goodes' knees. Roos vowed not to play Goodes in the ruck fearing he would get injured but obviously Roos isn't in charge anymore and it is really Longmire's call.


I agree with the whole knee thing but that was because he didn't want him to keep hurting his knee and cut his career short. Now that he is at the end of his career, a couple more years, and he will only be relieving mummy for a rest then I think it will work. Also it could be a temporary fix until big Pyke comes back in. Anyway I think it is a better option than LRT or Jesse.
 

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